poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
#16
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 22:18:41 GMT, Blair <"axis of weevil"@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Additionally, he
>>told me that the air conditioner smell was a normal problem that exists
>>on all Hyundais. The only thing they could do would be to do the "fresh
>>air" service or some such thing.
>
>
> Was the odor there from day 1?
>
>
> Does it have a musty or rotting smell, or a chemical smell?
Neither. Its really very difficult to describe. It is the exact same
smell my Elantra developed after about 5 months. Incidentally, I rented
a brand new Accent while my car was in the shop and it had the very same
yucky smell.
-B
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 22:18:41 GMT, Blair <"axis of weevil"@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Additionally, he
>>told me that the air conditioner smell was a normal problem that exists
>>on all Hyundais. The only thing they could do would be to do the "fresh
>>air" service or some such thing.
>
>
> Was the odor there from day 1?
>
>
> Does it have a musty or rotting smell, or a chemical smell?
Neither. Its really very difficult to describe. It is the exact same
smell my Elantra developed after about 5 months. Incidentally, I rented
a brand new Accent while my car was in the shop and it had the very same
yucky smell.
-B
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
hyundaitech wrote:
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
> 2. The reason your a/c odor wouldn't be covered by your warranty would be
> that there's no defect. While I haven't looked at your car to determine
> there is indeed no defect, I can say that I've never seen a case of such
> an odor be caused by anything other than some nasty growth in the
> evaporator case. As for the $50, just say no. You can go to the store
> yourself and purchase a spray air freshener and spray it in the intake
> yourself. The air intake is at the bottom of the windshield on the right
> side through the plastic cowl. Simply turn the heat and a/c on full using
> fresh air and spray the freshener into the cowl.
>
It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
As for your suggestion, thanks I will definitely be doing that.
-B
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
> 2. The reason your a/c odor wouldn't be covered by your warranty would be
> that there's no defect. While I haven't looked at your car to determine
> there is indeed no defect, I can say that I've never seen a case of such
> an odor be caused by anything other than some nasty growth in the
> evaporator case. As for the $50, just say no. You can go to the store
> yourself and purchase a spray air freshener and spray it in the intake
> yourself. The air intake is at the bottom of the windshield on the right
> side through the plastic cowl. Simply turn the heat and a/c on full using
> fresh air and spray the freshener into the cowl.
>
It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
As for your suggestion, thanks I will definitely be doing that.
-B
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
hyundaitech wrote:
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
> 2. The reason your a/c odor wouldn't be covered by your warranty would be
> that there's no defect. While I haven't looked at your car to determine
> there is indeed no defect, I can say that I've never seen a case of such
> an odor be caused by anything other than some nasty growth in the
> evaporator case. As for the $50, just say no. You can go to the store
> yourself and purchase a spray air freshener and spray it in the intake
> yourself. The air intake is at the bottom of the windshield on the right
> side through the plastic cowl. Simply turn the heat and a/c on full using
> fresh air and spray the freshener into the cowl.
>
It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
As for your suggestion, thanks I will definitely be doing that.
-B
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
> 2. The reason your a/c odor wouldn't be covered by your warranty would be
> that there's no defect. While I haven't looked at your car to determine
> there is indeed no defect, I can say that I've never seen a case of such
> an odor be caused by anything other than some nasty growth in the
> evaporator case. As for the $50, just say no. You can go to the store
> yourself and purchase a spray air freshener and spray it in the intake
> yourself. The air intake is at the bottom of the windshield on the right
> side through the plastic cowl. Simply turn the heat and a/c on full using
> fresh air and spray the freshener into the cowl.
>
It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
As for your suggestion, thanks I will definitely be doing that.
-B
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
hyundaitech wrote:
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
> 2. The reason your a/c odor wouldn't be covered by your warranty would be
> that there's no defect. While I haven't looked at your car to determine
> there is indeed no defect, I can say that I've never seen a case of such
> an odor be caused by anything other than some nasty growth in the
> evaporator case. As for the $50, just say no. You can go to the store
> yourself and purchase a spray air freshener and spray it in the intake
> yourself. The air intake is at the bottom of the windshield on the right
> side through the plastic cowl. Simply turn the heat and a/c on full using
> fresh air and spray the freshener into the cowl.
>
It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
As for your suggestion, thanks I will definitely be doing that.
-B
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
> 2. The reason your a/c odor wouldn't be covered by your warranty would be
> that there's no defect. While I haven't looked at your car to determine
> there is indeed no defect, I can say that I've never seen a case of such
> an odor be caused by anything other than some nasty growth in the
> evaporator case. As for the $50, just say no. You can go to the store
> yourself and purchase a spray air freshener and spray it in the intake
> yourself. The air intake is at the bottom of the windshield on the right
> side through the plastic cowl. Simply turn the heat and a/c on full using
> fresh air and spray the freshener into the cowl.
>
It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
As for your suggestion, thanks I will definitely be doing that.
-B
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
Blair wrote:
> It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
> charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
> truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
True, but it's not uncommon. My girlfriend recently got royally
ripped-off on some brake work by Tracy VW in Hyannis, MA. Among other
things, she got charged $225 (2.5 hours) in labor for work that any
competent mechanic could have done in under an hour. They're explanation
when confronted with this? "That's what we charge." Real A-holes!
> It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
> charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
> truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
True, but it's not uncommon. My girlfriend recently got royally
ripped-off on some brake work by Tracy VW in Hyannis, MA. Among other
things, she got charged $225 (2.5 hours) in labor for work that any
competent mechanic could have done in under an hour. They're explanation
when confronted with this? "That's what we charge." Real A-holes!
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
Blair wrote:
> It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
> charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
> truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
True, but it's not uncommon. My girlfriend recently got royally
ripped-off on some brake work by Tracy VW in Hyannis, MA. Among other
things, she got charged $225 (2.5 hours) in labor for work that any
competent mechanic could have done in under an hour. They're explanation
when confronted with this? "That's what we charge." Real A-holes!
> It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
> charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
> truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
True, but it's not uncommon. My girlfriend recently got royally
ripped-off on some brake work by Tracy VW in Hyannis, MA. Among other
things, she got charged $225 (2.5 hours) in labor for work that any
competent mechanic could have done in under an hour. They're explanation
when confronted with this? "That's what we charge." Real A-holes!
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
Blair wrote:
> It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
> charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
> truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
True, but it's not uncommon. My girlfriend recently got royally
ripped-off on some brake work by Tracy VW in Hyannis, MA. Among other
things, she got charged $225 (2.5 hours) in labor for work that any
competent mechanic could have done in under an hour. They're explanation
when confronted with this? "That's what we charge." Real A-holes!
> It only takes about 5 minutes according to the tech I spoke with. To
> charge 90 dollars for something like that would be obnoxious, and would
> truthfully be a pretty poor way to do business.
True, but it's not uncommon. My girlfriend recently got royally
ripped-off on some brake work by Tracy VW in Hyannis, MA. Among other
things, she got charged $225 (2.5 hours) in labor for work that any
competent mechanic could have done in under an hour. They're explanation
when confronted with this? "That's what we charge." Real A-holes!
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
hyundaitech wrote:
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
the owner.
Matt
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
the owner.
Matt
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hyundaitech wrote:
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
the owner.
Matt
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
the owner.
Matt
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hyundaitech wrote:
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
the owner.
Matt
> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up the
> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
the owner.
Matt
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Matt Whiting wrote:
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up
>> the
>> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
>> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
>> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
>> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
>> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
>
> Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
> and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
> can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
> the owner.
>
> Matt
Agreed.
-B
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up
>> the
>> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
>> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
>> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
>> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
>> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
>
> Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
> and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
> can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
> the owner.
>
> Matt
Agreed.
-B
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Matt Whiting wrote:
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up
>> the
>> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
>> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
>> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
>> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
>> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
>
> Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
> and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
> can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
> the owner.
>
> Matt
Agreed.
-B
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up
>> the
>> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
>> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
>> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
>> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
>> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
>
> Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
> and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
> can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
> the owner.
>
> Matt
Agreed.
-B
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
Matt Whiting wrote:
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up
>> the
>> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
>> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
>> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
>> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
>> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
>
> Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
> and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
> can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
> the owner.
>
> Matt
Agreed.
-B
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> 1. The dealer is being nice to you by not charging you for setting up
>> the
>> locks. There are (I believe) a few features on this car that can be
>> programmed to operate in different ways. What you desired was for the
>> locks to be programmed to operate in a way different than the factory
>> setting. This can be done, but it is not Hyundai's responsibility to do
>> so. Hence, they will not pay the dealer for this work.
>
>
> Then they should design them like Chrysler so that the owner can enable
> and disable these selectable features. If they make it so the user
> can't change it, then they should pay the dealers to do it for free for
> the owner.
>
> Matt
Agreed.
-B
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
Regarding the odor from the a/c ; im an HVAC Tech and run into this
often on residential/commercial applications . After i clean the surface
of the evaporator with special detergent and make sure the pitch is good
on it so all the condensate runs toward the drain opening , I finish
the job by using vinegar on the evaporator coils which nuetralizes the
odor for a pretty long time. If there is any way of getting vinegar on
the evaporator surface in spray form thru the return air intake then it
will make a big difference (im assuming its a draw-thru application on
Hyundais where the blower is downstream of the evaporator/heating coils
; maybe HyundaiTech can confirm this ). Also, if you can get in the
habit of turning off the a/c but allowing the blower to continue to run
a few minutes before youre ready to shut off the engine, this will
re-evaporate whatever condensate is still on the coil surface to the air
, so it doesnt linger ... plus the evaporator housing will rid itself
of any residual condensate that may be puddling from the motion of the
car . Stagnant condensate is the biggest cause of foul odors in a/c
systems of any type.
Dave
often on residential/commercial applications . After i clean the surface
of the evaporator with special detergent and make sure the pitch is good
on it so all the condensate runs toward the drain opening , I finish
the job by using vinegar on the evaporator coils which nuetralizes the
odor for a pretty long time. If there is any way of getting vinegar on
the evaporator surface in spray form thru the return air intake then it
will make a big difference (im assuming its a draw-thru application on
Hyundais where the blower is downstream of the evaporator/heating coils
; maybe HyundaiTech can confirm this ). Also, if you can get in the
habit of turning off the a/c but allowing the blower to continue to run
a few minutes before youre ready to shut off the engine, this will
re-evaporate whatever condensate is still on the coil surface to the air
, so it doesnt linger ... plus the evaporator housing will rid itself
of any residual condensate that may be puddling from the motion of the
car . Stagnant condensate is the biggest cause of foul odors in a/c
systems of any type.
Dave
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Re: poor experience at Hyundai of Tempe....
Regarding the odor from the a/c ; im an HVAC Tech and run into this
often on residential/commercial applications . After i clean the surface
of the evaporator with special detergent and make sure the pitch is good
on it so all the condensate runs toward the drain opening , I finish
the job by using vinegar on the evaporator coils which nuetralizes the
odor for a pretty long time. If there is any way of getting vinegar on
the evaporator surface in spray form thru the return air intake then it
will make a big difference (im assuming its a draw-thru application on
Hyundais where the blower is downstream of the evaporator/heating coils
; maybe HyundaiTech can confirm this ). Also, if you can get in the
habit of turning off the a/c but allowing the blower to continue to run
a few minutes before youre ready to shut off the engine, this will
re-evaporate whatever condensate is still on the coil surface to the air
, so it doesnt linger ... plus the evaporator housing will rid itself
of any residual condensate that may be puddling from the motion of the
car . Stagnant condensate is the biggest cause of foul odors in a/c
systems of any type.
Dave
often on residential/commercial applications . After i clean the surface
of the evaporator with special detergent and make sure the pitch is good
on it so all the condensate runs toward the drain opening , I finish
the job by using vinegar on the evaporator coils which nuetralizes the
odor for a pretty long time. If there is any way of getting vinegar on
the evaporator surface in spray form thru the return air intake then it
will make a big difference (im assuming its a draw-thru application on
Hyundais where the blower is downstream of the evaporator/heating coils
; maybe HyundaiTech can confirm this ). Also, if you can get in the
habit of turning off the a/c but allowing the blower to continue to run
a few minutes before youre ready to shut off the engine, this will
re-evaporate whatever condensate is still on the coil surface to the air
, so it doesnt linger ... plus the evaporator housing will rid itself
of any residual condensate that may be puddling from the motion of the
car . Stagnant condensate is the biggest cause of foul odors in a/c
systems of any type.
Dave