"southluke" <luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
> Honda's last 200,000 miles.

Every single one of them?

 

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "southluke" <luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
>> Honda's last 200,000 miles.
>
> Every single one of them?
>
>
>

My 84 Accord didn't even make 80,000 miles before the engine had to have
a top-end replacement.

Matt

 

Our Honda Accord made 35000 miles before we trashed it. The cam lobes had
worn at 35000 miles? Come on, Honda's reliability, pure . Never, ever,
will I buy a Honda again.
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:HebSi.396$2n4.19895@news1.epix.net...
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > "southluke" <luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
message
> >> Honda's last 200,000 miles.
> >
> > Every single one of them?
> >
> >
> >
>
> My 84 Accord didn't even make 80,000 miles before the engine had to have
> a top-end replacement.
>
> Matt

 

razz wrote:
> Our Honda Accord made 35000 miles before we trashed it. The cam lobes had
> worn at 35000 miles? Come on, Honda's reliability, pure . Never, ever,
> will I buy a Honda again.
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:HebSi.396$2n4.19895@news1.epix.net...
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "southluke" <luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
> message
>>>> Honda's last 200,000 miles.
>>> Every single one of them?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> My 84 Accord didn't even make 80,000 miles before the engine had to have
>> a top-end replacement.
>>
>> Matt
>
>

That is the same problem I had. My 84 Accord had the cam lobes and
rocker arm pads self destruct at 70,000 miles. Had to replace the cam
and full set of rockers, but no way could I ever get all of the crud out
of the engine so I traded it as soon as it was repaired on a new 89
Plymouth Acclaim. That vehicle was rock solid and ran 146,000 miles
with zero engine problems ... and then my wife hit a deer and totaled it.

What year was your Accord?

Matt

 

I believe it was a 85 accord exi.
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:xxcSi.398$2n4.20022@news1.epix.net...
> razz wrote:
> > Our Honda Accord made 35000 miles before we trashed it. The cam lobes
had
> > worn at 35000 miles? Come on, Honda's reliability, pure . Never,
ever,
> > will I buy a Honda again.
> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> > news:HebSi.396$2n4.19895@news1.epix.net...
> >> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> "southluke" <luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
> > message
> >>>> Honda's last 200,000 miles.
> >>> Every single one of them?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> My 84 Accord didn't even make 80,000 miles before the engine had to
have
> >> a top-end replacement.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >
> >
>
> That is the same problem I had. My 84 Accord had the cam lobes and
> rocker arm pads self destruct at 70,000 miles. Had to replace the cam
> and full set of rockers, but no way could I ever get all of the crud out
> of the engine so I traded it as soon as it was repaired on a new 89
> Plymouth Acclaim. That vehicle was rock solid and ran 146,000 miles
> with zero engine problems ... and then my wife hit a deer and totaled it.
>
> What year was your Accord?
>
> Matt

 

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:46:52 GMT, "Eric G."
<NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote:

>I
>had the brake squeak before and that turned out to be a need for grease on
>the caliper bolts. I have the squeak again and it is likely the same
>issue.

I'm having the same problem. It doesn't happen when I hit the brakes
though, it happens when the car is moving. A high pitched squeaking
coming from the wheel (in front) It only started after I had the brake
pads and rotors replaced. Grease the bolts, huh? I'll tell my
mechanic. He thought it may be the struts when he heard it. I thought
it was maybe a wheel bearing but he said no way. He said if it was a
bearing it would be more of a grinding sound. Did you have to remove
the entire caliper bolts and grease them? Thanks for the info.

Brian

 

Brian Matthews <noonecares@ddd.com> wrote in
news:8uvkh3dajkbf5td60eiuv6peddo8isl8c9@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:46:52 GMT, "Eric G."
> <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote:
>
>>I
>>had the brake squeak before and that turned out to be a need for
>>grease on the caliper bolts. I have the squeak again and it is likely
>>the same issue.
>
> I'm having the same problem. It doesn't happen when I hit the brakes
> though, it happens when the car is moving. A high pitched squeaking
> coming from the wheel (in front) It only started after I had the brake
> pads and rotors replaced. Grease the bolts, huh? I'll tell my
> mechanic. He thought it may be the struts when he heard it. I thought
> it was maybe a wheel bearing but he said no way. He said if it was a
> bearing it would be more of a grinding sound. Did you have to remove
> the entire caliper bolts and grease them? Thanks for the info.
>
> Brian

Yes, you do need to remove the bolt because they have mini rubber boots
over them to try to keep debris out. Very simple to do actually.

Eric

P.S. - The sqeak I have happens just as you describe.

 

> GUEST wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am considering buying a 2007 Hyundai Sonata (V6 engine). I have
> never owned a Hyundai but read positive things about their cars.
> Here's my dilemma-
> I would love to hear from owners about how a Hyndai Sonata performs
> after it has a few years on it compared to how the car performed
when
> new.
> I think most manufacturer's cars today drive well when new, but
some
> age sooner compared to the Japanese cars (IMHO).
>
> Ken

I don't think every Honda makes it 200,000 miles, and
for many different reasons. The reliability of cars is statisical in
nature. That is why J. D. Powers and most others provide statisical
data when trying to quantify the reliability of cars. They provide
statements like number of defects per 100 cars or some such thing
like that.

If you read their reports, Honda has been rating much higher than
Hyundai. Also, for consumer reports they poll owners and ask what
problems they have had over various periods of time. Again Honda's
appear better.

I had the graduate level statisics courses and does this mean your
Hyundai will not last longer than my Honda? NO!

The bottom line is you pay your money and you take your chances.
Stistically, though, you have better odds of getting a reliable car
with a Honda. I have had three Honda vehicles and received
outstanding service from them. I only have a sample of one Hyundai
and it has been pretty good but less than stellar. And I have not
been happy at all with the warranty responses from the dealer and
Hyundai America.

This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.

And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.

Luke

 

I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a poor
response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai in
small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair. They
insisted on a confidentiality agreement, which is why I cannot elaborate. I
have also had more costly repairs on my Sonata (e.g., electric window
regulators, real wheel bearings). I do not think that Hyundai's are bad cars -
I just won't reward a manufacturer that doesn't care about customer
satisfaction with future purchases. I should add that I know of two other
people who had similar bad experiences with Hyundai America. By contrast, my
Hyundai dealer has been top notch in terms of service.

My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K - no repairs other than normal
maintenance.




luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (southluke) wrote:
> > GUEST wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am considering buying a 2007 Hyundai Sonata (V6 engine). I have
> > never owned a Hyundai but read positive things about their cars.
> > Here's my dilemma-
> > I would love to hear from owners about how a Hyndai Sonata performs
> > after it has a few years on it compared to how the car performed
>when
> > new.
> > I think most manufacturer's cars today drive well when new, but
>some
> > age sooner compared to the Japanese cars (IMHO).
> >
> > Ken
>
>I don't think every Honda makes it 200,000 miles, and
>for many different reasons. The reliability of cars is statisical in
>nature. That is why J. D. Powers and most others provide statisical
>data when trying to quantify the reliability of cars. They provide
>statements like number of defects per 100 cars or some such thing
>like that.
>
>If you read their reports, Honda has been rating much higher than
>Hyundai. Also, for consumer reports they poll owners and ask what
>problems they have had over various periods of time. Again Honda's
>appear better.
>
>I had the graduate level statisics courses and does this mean your
>Hyundai will not last longer than my Honda? NO!
>
>The bottom line is you pay your money and you take your chances.
>Stistically, though, you have better odds of getting a reliable car
>with a Honda. I have had three Honda vehicles and received
>outstanding service from them. I only have a sample of one Hyundai
>and it has been pretty good but less than stellar. And I have not
>been happy at all with the warranty responses from the dealer and
>Hyundai America.
>
>This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
>previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.
>
>And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
>models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.
>
>Luke

 

I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a poor
response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai in
small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair. They
insisted on a confidentiality agreement, which is why I cannot elaborate. I
have also had more costly repairs on my Sonata (e.g., electric window
regulators, real wheel bearings). I do not think that Hyundai's are bad cars -
I just won't reward a manufacturer that doesn't care about customer
satisfaction with future purchases. I should add that I know of two other
people who had similar bad experiences with Hyundai America. By contrast, my
Hyundai dealer has been top notch in terms of service.

My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K - no repairs other than normal
maintenance.




luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (southluke) wrote:
> > GUEST wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am considering buying a 2007 Hyundai Sonata (V6 engine). I have
> > never owned a Hyundai but read positive things about their cars.
> > Here's my dilemma-
> > I would love to hear from owners about how a Hyndai Sonata performs
> > after it has a few years on it compared to how the car performed
>when
> > new.
> > I think most manufacturer's cars today drive well when new, but
>some
> > age sooner compared to the Japanese cars (IMHO).
> >
> > Ken
>
>I don't think every Honda makes it 200,000 miles, and
>for many different reasons. The reliability of cars is statisical in
>nature. That is why J. D. Powers and most others provide statisical
>data when trying to quantify the reliability of cars. They provide
>statements like number of defects per 100 cars or some such thing
>like that.
>
>If you read their reports, Honda has been rating much higher than
>Hyundai. Also, for consumer reports they poll owners and ask what
>problems they have had over various periods of time. Again Honda's
>appear better.
>
>I had the graduate level statisics courses and does this mean your
>Hyundai will not last longer than my Honda? NO!
>
>The bottom line is you pay your money and you take your chances.
>Stistically, though, you have better odds of getting a reliable car
>with a Honda. I have had three Honda vehicles and received
>outstanding service from them. I only have a sample of one Hyundai
>and it has been pretty good but less than stellar. And I have not
>been happy at all with the warranty responses from the dealer and
>Hyundai America.
>
>This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
>previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.
>
>And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
>models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.
>
>Luke

 

I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a poor
response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai in
small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair. They
insisted on a confidentiality agreement, which is why I cannot elaborate. I
have also had more costly repairs on my Sonata (e.g., electric window
regulators, real wheel bearings). I do not think that Hyundai's are bad cars -
I just won't reward a manufacturer that doesn't care about customer
satisfaction with future purchases. I should add that I know of two other
people who had similar bad experiences with Hyundai America. By contrast, my
Hyundai dealer has been top notch in terms of service.

My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K - no repairs other than normal
maintenance.




luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (southluke) wrote:
> > GUEST wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am considering buying a 2007 Hyundai Sonata (V6 engine). I have
> > never owned a Hyundai but read positive things about their cars.
> > Here's my dilemma-
> > I would love to hear from owners about how a Hyndai Sonata performs
> > after it has a few years on it compared to how the car performed
>when
> > new.
> > I think most manufacturer's cars today drive well when new, but
>some
> > age sooner compared to the Japanese cars (IMHO).
> >
> > Ken
>
>I don't think every Honda makes it 200,000 miles, and
>for many different reasons. The reliability of cars is statisical in
>nature. That is why J. D. Powers and most others provide statisical
>data when trying to quantify the reliability of cars. They provide
>statements like number of defects per 100 cars or some such thing
>like that.
>
>If you read their reports, Honda has been rating much higher than
>Hyundai. Also, for consumer reports they poll owners and ask what
>problems they have had over various periods of time. Again Honda's
>appear better.
>
>I had the graduate level statisics courses and does this mean your
>Hyundai will not last longer than my Honda? NO!
>
>The bottom line is you pay your money and you take your chances.
>Stistically, though, you have better odds of getting a reliable car
>with a Honda. I have had three Honda vehicles and received
>outstanding service from them. I only have a sample of one Hyundai
>and it has been pretty good but less than stellar. And I have not
>been happy at all with the warranty responses from the dealer and
>Hyundai America.
>
>This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
>previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.
>
>And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
>models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.
>
>Luke

 

I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a poor
response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai in
small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair. They
insisted on a confidentiality agreement, which is why I cannot elaborate. I
have also had more costly repairs on my Sonata (e.g., electric window
regulators, real wheel bearings). I do not think that Hyundai's are bad cars -
I just won't reward a manufacturer that doesn't care about customer
satisfaction with future purchases. I should add that I know of two other
people who had similar bad experiences with Hyundai America. By contrast, my
Hyundai dealer has been top notch in terms of service.

My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K - no repairs other than normal
maintenance.




luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (southluke) wrote:
> > GUEST wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am considering buying a 2007 Hyundai Sonata (V6 engine). I have
> > never owned a Hyundai but read positive things about their cars.
> > Here's my dilemma-
> > I would love to hear from owners about how a Hyndai Sonata performs
> > after it has a few years on it compared to how the car performed
>when
> > new.
> > I think most manufacturer's cars today drive well when new, but
>some
> > age sooner compared to the Japanese cars (IMHO).
> >
> > Ken
>
>I don't think every Honda makes it 200,000 miles, and
>for many different reasons. The reliability of cars is statisical in
>nature. That is why J. D. Powers and most others provide statisical
>data when trying to quantify the reliability of cars. They provide
>statements like number of defects per 100 cars or some such thing
>like that.
>
>If you read their reports, Honda has been rating much higher than
>Hyundai. Also, for consumer reports they poll owners and ask what
>problems they have had over various periods of time. Again Honda's
>appear better.
>
>I had the graduate level statisics courses and does this mean your
>Hyundai will not last longer than my Honda? NO!
>
>The bottom line is you pay your money and you take your chances.
>Stistically, though, you have better odds of getting a reliable car
>with a Honda. I have had three Honda vehicles and received
>outstanding service from them. I only have a sample of one Hyundai
>and it has been pretty good but less than stellar. And I have not
>been happy at all with the warranty responses from the dealer and
>Hyundai America.
>
>This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
>previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.
>
>And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
>models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.
>
>Luke

 

I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a poor
response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai in
small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair. They
insisted on a confidentiality agreement, which is why I cannot elaborate. I
have also had more costly repairs on my Sonata (e.g., electric window
regulators, real wheel bearings). I do not think that Hyundai's are bad cars -
I just won't reward a manufacturer that doesn't care about customer
satisfaction with future purchases. I should add that I know of two other
people who had similar bad experiences with Hyundai America. By contrast, my
Hyundai dealer has been top notch in terms of service.

My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K - no repairs other than normal
maintenance.




luke.l.talley@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (southluke) wrote:
> > GUEST wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am considering buying a 2007 Hyundai Sonata (V6 engine). I have
> > never owned a Hyundai but read positive things about their cars.
> > Here's my dilemma-
> > I would love to hear from owners about how a Hyndai Sonata performs
> > after it has a few years on it compared to how the car performed
>when
> > new.
> > I think most manufacturer's cars today drive well when new, but
>some
> > age sooner compared to the Japanese cars (IMHO).
> >
> > Ken
>
>I don't think every Honda makes it 200,000 miles, and
>for many different reasons. The reliability of cars is statisical in
>nature. That is why J. D. Powers and most others provide statisical
>data when trying to quantify the reliability of cars. They provide
>statements like number of defects per 100 cars or some such thing
>like that.
>
>If you read their reports, Honda has been rating much higher than
>Hyundai. Also, for consumer reports they poll owners and ask what
>problems they have had over various periods of time. Again Honda's
>appear better.
>
>I had the graduate level statisics courses and does this mean your
>Hyundai will not last longer than my Honda? NO!
>
>The bottom line is you pay your money and you take your chances.
>Stistically, though, you have better odds of getting a reliable car
>with a Honda. I have had three Honda vehicles and received
>outstanding service from them. I only have a sample of one Hyundai
>and it has been pretty good but less than stellar. And I have not
>been happy at all with the warranty responses from the dealer and
>Hyundai America.
>
>This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
>previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.
>
>And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
>models. Hyundai's were about like Yugo's in 1984.
>
>Luke

 

"thebeaver" <beav@harvard.edu> wrote in message
newsart1of1.1.3IXVk3sPFbfh4A@ue.ph...
>I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
> Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a
> poor
> response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai
> in
> small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair.


Just curious, what year? Are the USA made Sonatas better or worse than the
Korea made? Given that the 06 was a brand new model, can you use older
models as a comparison for reliability?

Every car maker has had the problems you describe at one time or another and
that is why buyers are quick to change brands after many years of driving
one they liked.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

 

My Hyundai Sonata is a 2000. I assume it's Korean made. Again, my issue is
not so much with the car (which I still drive every day), it's with the
manufacturer. The other two people I know had 2002 Sonatas. None of us will
ever buy a Hyundai again.


"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote:
>"thebeaver" <beav@harvard.edu> wrote in message
>newsart1of1.1.3IXVk3sPFbfh4A@ue.ph...
>>I own a Hyundai Sonata (100K) and a Honda Accord (50K). I would not buy a
>> Hyundai again, primarily because I shared the same experience of getting a
>> poor
>> response from Hyundai America on an obvious defect. I had to sue Hyundai
>> in
>> small claims court before the manufacturer agreed to pay for the repair.
>
>
>Just curious, what year? Are the USA made Sonatas better or worse than the
>Korea made? Given that the 06 was a brand new model, can you use older
>models as a comparison for reliability?
>
>Every car maker has had the problems you describe at one time or another and
>that is why buyers are quick to change brands after many years of driving
>one they liked.
>--
>Ed
>http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/