Rusted Axil Bolts
#16
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Re: Rusted Axil Bolts
Eric G. wrote:
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:ipvng.2$Pa.353@news1.epix.net:
>
>
>>sassycat wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the
>>>highway and lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car
>>>went left and the body of my car went right. The body fell off the
>>>frame due to the main frame axil bolts and part of the a-frame
>>>rusting completely through. I had no control of the car. Is this
>>>typical in Hyundai Sanotas? The wrecker service said I was lucky I
>>>wasn't still on the highway, it could have caused me serious injury.
>>>I keep my car in the garage, it never sits outside when I am home.
>>>This seems like a very dangerous hazard and I cannot understand why
>>>the a-frame and bolts would have gotten to the state of being rusted
>>>totally through. In the process, of this happening, it also ruined
>>>my transmission. Has this happened to anyone else? Although I was
>>>unable to move my car after this happened it was still in gear which
>>>of course didn't work. When I tried to put the gear shift in park,
>>>there were no gears, I just had to turn the car off.
>>
>>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't
>>good for cars driven in winter weather)?
>>
>>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>>so far.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>
>
> Not arguing the point, but why would a heated garage be bad in the
> Winter? Heating lowers the relative humidity and helps the car dry out,
> doesn't it?
Ice doesn't rust metal nearly as fast as water and salt that is encased
in ice rusts at a slower rate than salt water.
It is better to leave a snow and ice and salt covered car out in the
cold than the bring it in and warm up the ice and snow and salt and form
a nice solution to rust the car.
Matt
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
> news:ipvng.2$Pa.353@news1.epix.net:
>
>
>>sassycat wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the
>>>highway and lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car
>>>went left and the body of my car went right. The body fell off the
>>>frame due to the main frame axil bolts and part of the a-frame
>>>rusting completely through. I had no control of the car. Is this
>>>typical in Hyundai Sanotas? The wrecker service said I was lucky I
>>>wasn't still on the highway, it could have caused me serious injury.
>>>I keep my car in the garage, it never sits outside when I am home.
>>>This seems like a very dangerous hazard and I cannot understand why
>>>the a-frame and bolts would have gotten to the state of being rusted
>>>totally through. In the process, of this happening, it also ruined
>>>my transmission. Has this happened to anyone else? Although I was
>>>unable to move my car after this happened it was still in gear which
>>>of course didn't work. When I tried to put the gear shift in park,
>>>there were no gears, I just had to turn the car off.
>>
>>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't
>>good for cars driven in winter weather)?
>>
>>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>>so far.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>
>
> Not arguing the point, but why would a heated garage be bad in the
> Winter? Heating lowers the relative humidity and helps the car dry out,
> doesn't it?
Ice doesn't rust metal nearly as fast as water and salt that is encased
in ice rusts at a slower rate than salt water.
It is better to leave a snow and ice and salt covered car out in the
cold than the bring it in and warm up the ice and snow and salt and form
a nice solution to rust the car.
Matt
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Re: Rusted Axil Bolts
Mike Marlow wrote:
> No - this is the first I've ever heard of such an event. If it were
> typical, it would be big news.
>
> Of course it's dangerous. Why did it happen? Who knows. Sometimes
> very rare things happen.
>
> No gears? Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that you
> couldn't move the shift lever, I'm not surprised. A drop to the road
> like this would quite likely result in some sort of damage to
> linkages, etc.
I had something similar happen to a 1979 Fiat Strada when it was 3
years old. You don't see very many Strada's on the road these days...
--
> No - this is the first I've ever heard of such an event. If it were
> typical, it would be big news.
>
> Of course it's dangerous. Why did it happen? Who knows. Sometimes
> very rare things happen.
>
> No gears? Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that you
> couldn't move the shift lever, I'm not surprised. A drop to the road
> like this would quite likely result in some sort of damage to
> linkages, etc.
I had something similar happen to a 1979 Fiat Strada when it was 3
years old. You don't see very many Strada's on the road these days...
--
#21
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Re: Rusted Axil Bolts
Mike Marlow wrote:
> No - this is the first I've ever heard of such an event. If it were
> typical, it would be big news.
>
> Of course it's dangerous. Why did it happen? Who knows. Sometimes
> very rare things happen.
>
> No gears? Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that you
> couldn't move the shift lever, I'm not surprised. A drop to the road
> like this would quite likely result in some sort of damage to
> linkages, etc.
I had something similar happen to a 1979 Fiat Strada when it was 3
years old. You don't see very many Strada's on the road these days...
--
> No - this is the first I've ever heard of such an event. If it were
> typical, it would be big news.
>
> Of course it's dangerous. Why did it happen? Who knows. Sometimes
> very rare things happen.
>
> No gears? Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that you
> couldn't move the shift lever, I'm not surprised. A drop to the road
> like this would quite likely result in some sort of damage to
> linkages, etc.
I had something similar happen to a 1979 Fiat Strada when it was 3
years old. You don't see very many Strada's on the road these days...
--
#22
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Re: Rusted Axil Bolts
Mike Marlow wrote:
> No - this is the first I've ever heard of such an event. If it were
> typical, it would be big news.
>
> Of course it's dangerous. Why did it happen? Who knows. Sometimes
> very rare things happen.
>
> No gears? Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that you
> couldn't move the shift lever, I'm not surprised. A drop to the road
> like this would quite likely result in some sort of damage to
> linkages, etc.
I had something similar happen to a 1979 Fiat Strada when it was 3
years old. You don't see very many Strada's on the road these days...
--
> No - this is the first I've ever heard of such an event. If it were
> typical, it would be big news.
>
> Of course it's dangerous. Why did it happen? Who knows. Sometimes
> very rare things happen.
>
> No gears? Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that you
> couldn't move the shift lever, I'm not surprised. A drop to the road
> like this would quite likely result in some sort of damage to
> linkages, etc.
I had something similar happen to a 1979 Fiat Strada when it was 3
years old. You don't see very many Strada's on the road these days...
--
#23
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Re: Rusted Axil Bolts
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:06:09 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:
>Eric G. wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:ipvng.2$Pa.353@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>
>>>sassycat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the
>>>>highway and lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car
>>>>went left and the body of my car went right. The body fell off the
>>>>frame due to the main frame axil bolts and part of the a-frame
>>>>rusting completely through. I had no control of the car. Is this
>>>>typical in Hyundai Sanotas? The wrecker service said I was lucky I
>>>>wasn't still on the highway, it could have caused me serious injury.
>>>>I keep my car in the garage, it never sits outside when I am home.
>>>>This seems like a very dangerous hazard and I cannot understand why
>>>>the a-frame and bolts would have gotten to the state of being rusted
>>>>totally through. In the process, of this happening, it also ruined
>>>>my transmission. Has this happened to anyone else? Although I was
>>>>unable to move my car after this happened it was still in gear which
>>>>of course didn't work. When I tried to put the gear shift in park,
>>>>there were no gears, I just had to turn the car off.
>>>
>>>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>>>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't
>>>good for cars driven in winter weather)?
>>>
>>>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>>>so far.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not arguing the point, but why would a heated garage be bad in the
>> Winter? Heating lowers the relative humidity and helps the car dry out,
>> doesn't it?
>
>Ice doesn't rust metal nearly as fast as water and salt that is encased
>in ice rusts at a slower rate than salt water.
>
>It is better to leave a snow and ice and salt covered car out in the
>cold than the bring it in and warm up the ice and snow and salt and form
>a nice solution to rust the car.
>
>
>Matt
Ditto - almost - I know that in upstate NY out attached garage is just
warm enough to melt the snow down to a nice brine. I expect a really
heated garage would then evaporate the brine down to salt. Brine is
the problem.
;-)
wrote:
>Eric G. wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:ipvng.2$Pa.353@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>
>>>sassycat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the
>>>>highway and lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car
>>>>went left and the body of my car went right. The body fell off the
>>>>frame due to the main frame axil bolts and part of the a-frame
>>>>rusting completely through. I had no control of the car. Is this
>>>>typical in Hyundai Sanotas? The wrecker service said I was lucky I
>>>>wasn't still on the highway, it could have caused me serious injury.
>>>>I keep my car in the garage, it never sits outside when I am home.
>>>>This seems like a very dangerous hazard and I cannot understand why
>>>>the a-frame and bolts would have gotten to the state of being rusted
>>>>totally through. In the process, of this happening, it also ruined
>>>>my transmission. Has this happened to anyone else? Although I was
>>>>unable to move my car after this happened it was still in gear which
>>>>of course didn't work. When I tried to put the gear shift in park,
>>>>there were no gears, I just had to turn the car off.
>>>
>>>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>>>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't
>>>good for cars driven in winter weather)?
>>>
>>>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>>>so far.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not arguing the point, but why would a heated garage be bad in the
>> Winter? Heating lowers the relative humidity and helps the car dry out,
>> doesn't it?
>
>Ice doesn't rust metal nearly as fast as water and salt that is encased
>in ice rusts at a slower rate than salt water.
>
>It is better to leave a snow and ice and salt covered car out in the
>cold than the bring it in and warm up the ice and snow and salt and form
>a nice solution to rust the car.
>
>
>Matt
Ditto - almost - I know that in upstate NY out attached garage is just
warm enough to melt the snow down to a nice brine. I expect a really
heated garage would then evaporate the brine down to salt. Brine is
the problem.
;-)
#24
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Re: Rusted Axil Bolts
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:06:09 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:
>Eric G. wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:ipvng.2$Pa.353@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>
>>>sassycat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the
>>>>highway and lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car
>>>>went left and the body of my car went right. The body fell off the
>>>>frame due to the main frame axil bolts and part of the a-frame
>>>>rusting completely through. I had no control of the car. Is this
>>>>typical in Hyundai Sanotas? The wrecker service said I was lucky I
>>>>wasn't still on the highway, it could have caused me serious injury.
>>>>I keep my car in the garage, it never sits outside when I am home.
>>>>This seems like a very dangerous hazard and I cannot understand why
>>>>the a-frame and bolts would have gotten to the state of being rusted
>>>>totally through. In the process, of this happening, it also ruined
>>>>my transmission. Has this happened to anyone else? Although I was
>>>>unable to move my car after this happened it was still in gear which
>>>>of course didn't work. When I tried to put the gear shift in park,
>>>>there were no gears, I just had to turn the car off.
>>>
>>>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>>>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't
>>>good for cars driven in winter weather)?
>>>
>>>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>>>so far.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not arguing the point, but why would a heated garage be bad in the
>> Winter? Heating lowers the relative humidity and helps the car dry out,
>> doesn't it?
>
>Ice doesn't rust metal nearly as fast as water and salt that is encased
>in ice rusts at a slower rate than salt water.
>
>It is better to leave a snow and ice and salt covered car out in the
>cold than the bring it in and warm up the ice and snow and salt and form
>a nice solution to rust the car.
>
>
>Matt
Ditto - almost - I know that in upstate NY out attached garage is just
warm enough to melt the snow down to a nice brine. I expect a really
heated garage would then evaporate the brine down to salt. Brine is
the problem.
;-)
wrote:
>Eric G. wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:ipvng.2$Pa.353@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>
>>>sassycat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the
>>>>highway and lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car
>>>>went left and the body of my car went right. The body fell off the
>>>>frame due to the main frame axil bolts and part of the a-frame
>>>>rusting completely through. I had no control of the car. Is this
>>>>typical in Hyundai Sanotas? The wrecker service said I was lucky I
>>>>wasn't still on the highway, it could have caused me serious injury.
>>>>I keep my car in the garage, it never sits outside when I am home.
>>>>This seems like a very dangerous hazard and I cannot understand why
>>>>the a-frame and bolts would have gotten to the state of being rusted
>>>>totally through. In the process, of this happening, it also ruined
>>>>my transmission. Has this happened to anyone else? Although I was
>>>>unable to move my car after this happened it was still in gear which
>>>>of course didn't work. When I tried to put the gear shift in park,
>>>>there were no gears, I just had to turn the car off.
>>>
>>>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>>>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't
>>>good for cars driven in winter weather)?
>>>
>>>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>>>so far.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not arguing the point, but why would a heated garage be bad in the
>> Winter? Heating lowers the relative humidity and helps the car dry out,
>> doesn't it?
>
>Ice doesn't rust metal nearly as fast as water and salt that is encased
>in ice rusts at a slower rate than salt water.
>
>It is better to leave a snow and ice and salt covered car out in the
>cold than the bring it in and warm up the ice and snow and salt and form
>a nice solution to rust the car.
>
>
>Matt
Ditto - almost - I know that in upstate NY out attached garage is just
warm enough to melt the snow down to a nice brine. I expect a really
heated garage would then evaporate the brine down to salt. Brine is
the problem.
;-)
#25
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Re: Rusted Axil Bolts
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 18:06:09 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net>
wrote:
>Eric G. wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:ipvng.2$Pa.353@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>
>>>sassycat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the
>>>>highway and lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car
>>>>went left and the body of my car went right. The body fell off the
>>>>frame due to the main frame axil bolts and part of the a-frame
>>>>rusting completely through. I had no control of the car. Is this
>>>>typical in Hyundai Sanotas? The wrecker service said I was lucky I
>>>>wasn't still on the highway, it could have caused me serious injury.
>>>>I keep my car in the garage, it never sits outside when I am home.
>>>>This seems like a very dangerous hazard and I cannot understand why
>>>>the a-frame and bolts would have gotten to the state of being rusted
>>>>totally through. In the process, of this happening, it also ruined
>>>>my transmission. Has this happened to anyone else? Although I was
>>>>unable to move my car after this happened it was still in gear which
>>>>of course didn't work. When I tried to put the gear shift in park,
>>>>there were no gears, I just had to turn the car off.
>>>
>>>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>>>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't
>>>good for cars driven in winter weather)?
>>>
>>>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>>>so far.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not arguing the point, but why would a heated garage be bad in the
>> Winter? Heating lowers the relative humidity and helps the car dry out,
>> doesn't it?
>
>Ice doesn't rust metal nearly as fast as water and salt that is encased
>in ice rusts at a slower rate than salt water.
>
>It is better to leave a snow and ice and salt covered car out in the
>cold than the bring it in and warm up the ice and snow and salt and form
>a nice solution to rust the car.
>
>
>Matt
Ditto - almost - I know that in upstate NY out attached garage is just
warm enough to melt the snow down to a nice brine. I expect a really
heated garage would then evaporate the brine down to salt. Brine is
the problem.
;-)
wrote:
>Eric G. wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
>> news:ipvng.2$Pa.353@news1.epix.net:
>>
>>
>>>sassycat wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the
>>>>highway and lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car
>>>>went left and the body of my car went right. The body fell off the
>>>>frame due to the main frame axil bolts and part of the a-frame
>>>>rusting completely through. I had no control of the car. Is this
>>>>typical in Hyundai Sanotas? The wrecker service said I was lucky I
>>>>wasn't still on the highway, it could have caused me serious injury.
>>>>I keep my car in the garage, it never sits outside when I am home.
>>>>This seems like a very dangerous hazard and I cannot understand why
>>>>the a-frame and bolts would have gotten to the state of being rusted
>>>>totally through. In the process, of this happening, it also ruined
>>>>my transmission. Has this happened to anyone else? Although I was
>>>>unable to move my car after this happened it was still in gear which
>>>>of course didn't work. When I tried to put the gear shift in park,
>>>>there were no gears, I just had to turn the car off.
>>>
>>>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>>>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't
>>>good for cars driven in winter weather)?
>>>
>>>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>>>so far.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not arguing the point, but why would a heated garage be bad in the
>> Winter? Heating lowers the relative humidity and helps the car dry out,
>> doesn't it?
>
>Ice doesn't rust metal nearly as fast as water and salt that is encased
>in ice rusts at a slower rate than salt water.
>
>It is better to leave a snow and ice and salt covered car out in the
>cold than the bring it in and warm up the ice and snow and salt and form
>a nice solution to rust the car.
>
>
>Matt
Ditto - almost - I know that in upstate NY out attached garage is just
warm enough to melt the snow down to a nice brine. I expect a really
heated garage would then evaporate the brine down to salt. Brine is
the problem.
;-)
#29
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Re: Rusted Axil Bolts
Matt,
I live in Indiana and yes they do at times have to apply lots of salt to the
roads but as well I wash my car often. My garage is not heated but it would
be warmer than sitting outside in the elements. I'm not quite sure what you
mean by more to this story than I am telling you. I had not had any
indication previous to this happening that there was something wrong with my
car. It was only minutes before it happened that I felt a pull to the right
on my steering wheel that something was not right. My first thought was that
the allignment was off but it was also pouring down rain at the time and
there was ponding on the highway. I'm not sure what else I can tell you, I
didn't realize there was a problem until it happened.
Mitzi
Matt Whiting wrote:
>> I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the highway and
>> lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car went left and the
>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> to put the gear shift in park, there were no gears, I just had to turn the
>> car off.
>
>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't good
>for cars driven in winter weather)?
>
>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>so far.
>
>Matt
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I live in Indiana and yes they do at times have to apply lots of salt to the
roads but as well I wash my car often. My garage is not heated but it would
be warmer than sitting outside in the elements. I'm not quite sure what you
mean by more to this story than I am telling you. I had not had any
indication previous to this happening that there was something wrong with my
car. It was only minutes before it happened that I felt a pull to the right
on my steering wheel that something was not right. My first thought was that
the allignment was off but it was also pouring down rain at the time and
there was ponding on the highway. I'm not sure what else I can tell you, I
didn't realize there was a problem until it happened.
Mitzi
Matt Whiting wrote:
>> I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the highway and
>> lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car went left and the
>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> to put the gear shift in park, there were no gears, I just had to turn the
>> car off.
>
>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't good
>for cars driven in winter weather)?
>
>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>so far.
>
>Matt
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#30
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Matt,
I live in Indiana and yes they do at times have to apply lots of salt to the
roads but as well I wash my car often. My garage is not heated but it would
be warmer than sitting outside in the elements. I'm not quite sure what you
mean by more to this story than I am telling you. I had not had any
indication previous to this happening that there was something wrong with my
car. It was only minutes before it happened that I felt a pull to the right
on my steering wheel that something was not right. My first thought was that
the allignment was off but it was also pouring down rain at the time and
there was ponding on the highway. I'm not sure what else I can tell you, I
didn't realize there was a problem until it happened.
Mitzi
Matt Whiting wrote:
>> I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the highway and
>> lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car went left and the
>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> to put the gear shift in park, there were no gears, I just had to turn the
>> car off.
>
>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't good
>for cars driven in winter weather)?
>
>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>so far.
>
>Matt
--
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I live in Indiana and yes they do at times have to apply lots of salt to the
roads but as well I wash my car often. My garage is not heated but it would
be warmer than sitting outside in the elements. I'm not quite sure what you
mean by more to this story than I am telling you. I had not had any
indication previous to this happening that there was something wrong with my
car. It was only minutes before it happened that I felt a pull to the right
on my steering wheel that something was not right. My first thought was that
the allignment was off but it was also pouring down rain at the time and
there was ponding on the highway. I'm not sure what else I can tell you, I
didn't realize there was a problem until it happened.
Mitzi
Matt Whiting wrote:
>> I was driving my 1999 Sanota and was making a right turn off the highway and
>> lost control of my steering power. The a-frame of my car went left and the
>[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> to put the gear shift in park, there were no gears, I just had to turn the
>> car off.
>
>Where do you live? Near the coast? In an area that applies lots of
>salt to the roads in the winter? Is your garage heated (this isn't good
>for cars driven in winter weather)?
>
>I'm guessing there is a lot more to this story than you are telling us
>so far.
>
>Matt
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