ghe

Hi, Hyundai Tech,

I have a 2006 Santa Fe. my local shop found that my transmission fluid is
in dark brown color and had burn smell though there is only 15k miles,
then they changed the transmission fluid 3 days ago, but they used ATF+4,
they said it is compatible with SPIII.

After search this forum, I am concerned about it, Some recommend to use
OEM type fluid, while others said it is okay to use ATF+4 which is a more
advanced product.

In your opinion, is it okay? or should I have it re-flushed with SPIII?

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hyundaitech

I've no experience with ATF+4 in Hyundais. It's possible it'll be okay.
Possibly not. Bottom line, it's not the specified fluid. Take it back
and demand the shop flush the transmission with the correct fluid. If
they won't, take it to the dealer and have it flushed with the correct
fluid, even if you must pay for it. It won't be cheap, but it'll be far
less expensive than paying for a transmission in the event Hyundai denies
warranty coverage.

As mentioned in the recent XG thread, it's not abnormal for the fluid to
turn brown after a relatively short amount of driving. Typically, it'll
still be relatively transparent. If it's opaque or has a burnt odor, then
it should be changed.

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ghe

Thank you very much. Hyundai gave me very confusing maintenance guide.
User's manual suggests to go with month and milage whichever comes first,
the online quick guide and Hyundai dealr service manager sugguest go with
milage, especially for transmission fluid. If going with milage, it does
not make sense to change transmission oil at 15k! that means I need to do
that every 24 months! I drive my car to work, shop, church, and it is
about 50% free way.

What is your opinion?

It really discourage me from buying Hyundai any more.


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The maintenance interval for transmission fluid in your owner's manual is
guide you should follow. If you want to go exactly by the letter of the
manual, you'll need to change it at 105,000 miles, or seven years,
whichever comes first. You'll also need to replace the fluid if the
required inspection at 30,000 miles (or two years) indicates it needs to
be replaced.

My opinion, however, is there's no reason to change transmission fluid
based on time. It should be based on mileage and condition. So I'd say
if the condition hasn't warranted up to 105k, change it then.

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Partner

Quote: >You'll also need to replace the fluid if the
> required inspection at 30,000 miles (or two years) indicates it needs to
> be replaced.
Question: Required inspection by Whom? Dealer or anyone.?


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> The maintenance interval for transmission fluid in your owner's manual is
> guide you should follow. If you want to go exactly by the letter of the
> manual, you'll need to change it at 105,000 miles, or seven years,
> whichever comes first. You'll also need to replace the fluid if the
> required inspection at 30,000 miles (or two years) indicates it needs to
> be replaced.
>
> My opinion, however, is there's no reason to change transmission fluid
> based on time. It should be based on mileage and condition. So I'd say
> if the condition hasn't warranted up to 105k, change it then.
>
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Old_Timer

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:26:05 -0500, "ghe" <hexx0045@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hi, Hyundai Tech,
>
>I have a 2006 Santa Fe. my local shop found that my transmission fluid is
>in dark brown color and had burn smell though there is only 15k miles,
>then they changed the transmission fluid 3 days ago, but they used ATF+4,
>they said it is compatible with SPIII.
>
>After search this forum, I am concerned about it, Some recommend to use
>OEM type fluid, while others said it is okay to use ATF+4 which is a more
>advanced product.
>
>In your opinion, is it okay? or should I have it re-flushed with SPIII?

I had a very similar experience. I was at an independent auto shop
getting their "free-checkup" . They told me that the traniie fluid
was too dark and needed to be changed. I asked them what kind of
fluid they would put in. They said a regular off-the-shelf fluid that
had some special additive that made it suitable for the Hyundai
trannie.

I reminded them what my owners manual stated in regard to SP-III.
They told me that was it was a violation of the Moss-Magnusan Act for
Hyundai to tell the owners that they cannot use the fluid they wanted
to put in.

I left that shop and went to the Hyundai dealer parts department and
purchased 5 quarts of SP-III. Brought it home, put a pan under the
trannie, pulled the plug, drained the fluid. and put the 5 quarts back
in.

That has been quite some time ago. More recently I was in the
mountains and the trannie appeared to get overheated while going up
some very steep upgrades. I let it cool down and after I got home I
once again drained and added the 5 quarts of SP-III.
Trannies are too expensive to be careless with their care.

Old_Timer

ghe

I was told that ATF+4 meets the SP III specifications, but Hyundai dealer
and Consumer Affair said it is not compatible with ATF+4. They told me
that the only compatible ones are those listed on the user's manual, that
is their best knowledge.

Old Timer, how often you change your fluid? based on miles or months? Did
you ever do a complete flush ever?


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Old_Timer

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:39:13 -0500, "ghe" <hexx0045@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I was told that ATF+4 meets the SP III specifications, but Hyundai dealer
>and Consumer Affair said it is not compatible with ATF+4. They told me
>that the only compatible ones are those listed on the user's manual, that
>is their best knowledge.
>
>Old Timer, how often you change your fluid? based on miles or months? Did
>you ever do a complete flush ever?

I have 64000 miles on the car and have doen the drain five and add
five 3 times. The last time ws solely becuase of overheating the
trannis onthe mountain road climb. I could probalby avoided the
overheat situtaion if I had put it into 2nd gear for the climb,

Old_Timer

hyundaitech

Anyone. If you look at your owner's manual, you'll see an "I" at 30k for
the transmissin fluid. This means it should be inspected, and if
necessary, replaced. At 105k, you'll see an "R."

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B Crawford

Hi Group,
I have the XG300 (2001) with 122,000 km (about 80,000 mi) & I too have
changed fluid 3 times, the last being fairly recent. I do the change per HMA
directions for this model (i.e. take off the tranny return line & crank it
at the end until it bubbles -takes 7 + litres this way). That said I drive
quite steep mountain roads (10% grades) all the time & sometimes pull a
small trailer. The new fluid may stay the same colour for quite a while &
suddenly go dark. Like Hyundaitech says this is not necessarily something to
worry about unless it's burnt -should have an odour to it then. I suspect
that heat is what darkens the fluid especially on a hot summer day when
you're cranking up those kind of grades. I have always used the Hyundai auto
tranny fluid which used to be SPII but is now SPIII. Unless I get a burned
odour I plan to keep that fluid for about 60,000 km. One other thing I have
done to reassure me all is well is to pull the drain plug when cold, hold my
finger over the drain & examine how much metallic debris is attached to said
magnetic plug. First time there was an amount about equal to the end of my
thumb (from the bottom of the thumbnail). Last time quite a bit less, so I
think I'll monitor it once a year like this b/c I don't even loose a 1/4 L
with this check. Any feed back on checking this way??
BCinBC
<Old_Timer> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:39:13 -0500, "ghe" <hexx0045@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I was told that ATF+4 meets the SP III specifications, but Hyundai dealer
>>and Consumer Affair said it is not compatible with ATF+4. They told me
>>that the only compatible ones are those listed on the user's manual, that
>>is their best knowledge.
>>
>>Old Timer, how often you change your fluid? based on miles or months? Did
>>you ever do a complete flush ever?
>
> I have 64000 miles on the car and have doen the drain five and add
> five 3 times. The last time ws solely becuase of overheating the
> trannis onthe mountain road climb. I could probalby avoided the
> overheat situtaion if I had put it into 2nd gear for the climb,
>
> Old_Timer

Ellouise

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:47:55 GMT, "B Crawford" <bcdcinbc@telus.net>
wrote:

>Hi Group,
> I have the XG300 (2001) with 122,000 km (about 80,000 mi) & I too have
>changed fluid 3 times, the last being fairly recent. I do the change per HMA
>directions for this model (i.e. take off the tranny return line & crank it
>at the end until it bubbles -takes 7 + litres this way). That said I drive
>quite steep mountain roads (10% grades) all the time & sometimes pull a
>small trailer. The new fluid may stay the same colour for quite a while &
>suddenly go dark. Like Hyundaitech says this is not necessarily something to
>worry about unless it's burnt -should have an odour to it then. I suspect
>that heat is what darkens the fluid especially on a hot summer day when
>you're cranking up those kind of grades. I have always used the Hyundai auto
>tranny fluid which used to be SPII but is now SPIII. Unless I get a burned
>odour I plan to keep that fluid for about 60,000 km. One other thing I have
>done to reassure me all is well is to pull the drain plug when cold, hold my
>finger over the drain & examine how much metallic debris is attached to said
>magnetic plug. First time there was an amount about equal to the end of my
>thumb (from the bottom of the thumbnail). Last time quite a bit less, so I
>think I'll monitor it once a year like this b/c I don't even loose a 1/4 L
>with this check. Any feed back on checking this way??


I really don't know how much metalic debris I had on the first two
times. I simply did not take notice. On the third, most recent, only
a vey small amount of metalic debris.

Old_Timer


>BCinBC
><Old_Timer> wrote in message
>news:9d6et39v21s3n4t38a2pt0pglaosdds9c7@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:39:13 -0500, "ghe" <hexx0045@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I was told that ATF+4 meets the SP III specifications, but Hyundai dealer
>>>and Consumer Affair said it is not compatible with ATF+4. They told me
>>>that the only compatible ones are those listed on the user's manual, that
>>>is their best knowledge.
>>>
>>>Old Timer, how often you change your fluid? based on miles or months? Did
>>>you ever do a complete flush ever?
>>
>> I have 64000 miles on the car and have doen the drain five and add
>> five 3 times. The last time ws solely becuase of overheating the
>> trannis onthe mountain road climb. I could probalby avoided the
>> overheat situtaion if I had put it into 2nd gear for the climb,
>>
>> Old_Timer
>

Dan K

"B Crawford" <bcdcinbc@telus.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Group,
> I have the XG300 (2001) with 122,000 km (about 80,000 mi) & I too have
> changed fluid 3 times, the last being fairly recent. I do the change per
> HMA directions for this model (i.e. take off the tranny return line &
> crank it at the end until it bubbles -takes 7 + litres this way). That
> said I drive quite steep mountain roads (10% grades) all the time &
> sometimes pull a small trailer. The new fluid may stay the same colour for
> quite a while & suddenly go dark. Like Hyundaitech says this is not
> necessarily something to worry about unless it's burnt -should have an
> odour to it then. I suspect that heat is what darkens the fluid especially
> on a hot summer day when you're cranking up those kind of grades. I have
> always used the Hyundai auto tranny fluid which used to be SPII but is now
> SPIII. Unless I get a burned odour I plan to keep that fluid for about
> 60,000 km. One other thing I have done to reassure me all is well is to
> pull the drain plug when cold, hold my finger over the drain & examine how
> much metallic debris is attached to said magnetic plug. First time there
> was an amount about equal to the end of my thumb (from the bottom of the
> thumbnail). Last time quite a bit less, so I think I'll monitor it once a
> year like this b/c I don't even loose a 1/4 L with this check. Any feed
> back on checking this way??
> BCinBC


I had to replace the compression washer after about the 3rd drain and fill.
No big deal, but a little panic mode adrenalin rush when I saw the pool of
tranny fluid on the garage floor the next day. Just pick one up and be
ready.

Dan

Darby OGill

I think changing tranny fluid often on a highway driver is a bit of a scam.
Go down to the barber shop and ask the guys you put zillions of miles on
Electras, Fairlanes, Polaras, Cutlasses, Caprices etc how ofetn they changed
their tranny fluid....betcha once in a 100k at best.........that being said
I changed mine once in 62k on the sonata-obliged the dealer around 30k miles
on his insistence. Of course, if fluid is burnt (why is that happening),
change it. if you live atop Pikes peek, of tow a house trailer ymmv !

< flame suit on :>) >

PS Why was OP vehicle in tranny shop at 15K?? Also, if a shop said my fluid
looked bad at that mileage on a routine visit, I'd like to take a look and
sniff myself.

ghe

The service was to comply with the maitenance requirements in the user's
manual, 24 months or 30k whichever comes first. I only put 15k in 2
years.
Some guys here do drain and fill in stead of flush, do not know if this
practice is good enough.

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hyundaitech

Drain and fill qualifies as "replacing transmission fluid."

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