Re: sludge
 

You might continually run about 1/2 quart of transmission fluid in the
engine. The detergents in the ATF will help dissolve the sludge. And 1/2
quart is a small enough amount that you're unlikely to get any engine
damage.

Hyundai actually at one time had a tsb that said something to the effect
of warming the engine to operating temp, draining the oil and installing
atf and replacing the filter, running for 20 minutes, and then draining
the atf and installing oil and replacing the filter. I cannot find it
online anymore, so I suspect they don't really want anyone doing this.

Re: sludge
 

'Pep Boys has a special machine that cleans out sludge, dirt, etc...from
the internal engine passages. It is called a Bilstein Engine Flush
procedure which is very effective . They use special solvent cleaner
thru high capacity filters . They conclude by adding fresh oil and an
oil filter. I think the total price was $129.

Maintain the car properly and you don't need gimmicks like this.
Matt

REPLY: Until youve had it done and see the junk that comes out in the
Bilstien Machine and its filters....you shouldnt make relative opinions
of inaccuracy. Regards.

Re: sludge
 

'Pep Boys has a special machine that cleans out sludge, dirt, etc...from
the internal engine passages. It is called a Bilstein Engine Flush
procedure which is very effective . They use special solvent cleaner
thru high capacity filters . They conclude by adding fresh oil and an
oil filter. I think the total price was $129.

Maintain the car properly and you don't need gimmicks like this.
Matt

REPLY: Until youve had it done and see the junk that comes out in the
Bilstien Machine and its filters....you shouldnt make relative opinions
of inaccuracy. Regards.

Re: sludge
 

'Pep Boys has a special machine that cleans out sludge, dirt, etc...from
the internal engine passages. It is called a Bilstein Engine Flush
procedure which is very effective . They use special solvent cleaner
thru high capacity filters . They conclude by adding fresh oil and an
oil filter. I think the total price was $129.

Maintain the car properly and you don't need gimmicks like this.
Matt

REPLY: Until youve had it done and see the junk that comes out in the
Bilstien Machine and its filters....you shouldnt make relative opinions
of inaccuracy. Regards.

Re: sludge
 

'I've done engine flushes on sludged engines and seen no appreciable
difference. It may wash some of the sludge out of the passages, but the
bulk of it remains in the engine. In my opinion, it's mostly a waste of
money.'

REPLY: DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block
oil passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ?
Ive personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage
vehicles and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil
and high performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k
miles if its done with this specific Machine.

Like changing Trans Oil at 50 k miles instead of 100 k miles....its for
the owner who desires to take the absolute best care of his vehicle(s) ,
even if it isnt recommended in the Car Owners Manual.

Re: sludge
 

'I've done engine flushes on sludged engines and seen no appreciable
difference. It may wash some of the sludge out of the passages, but the
bulk of it remains in the engine. In my opinion, it's mostly a waste of
money.'

REPLY: DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block
oil passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ?
Ive personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage
vehicles and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil
and high performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k
miles if its done with this specific Machine.

Like changing Trans Oil at 50 k miles instead of 100 k miles....its for
the owner who desires to take the absolute best care of his vehicle(s) ,
even if it isnt recommended in the Car Owners Manual.

Re: sludge
 

'I've done engine flushes on sludged engines and seen no appreciable
difference. It may wash some of the sludge out of the passages, but the
bulk of it remains in the engine. In my opinion, it's mostly a waste of
money.'

REPLY: DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block
oil passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ?
Ive personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage
vehicles and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil
and high performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k
miles if its done with this specific Machine.

Like changing Trans Oil at 50 k miles instead of 100 k miles....its for
the owner who desires to take the absolute best care of his vehicle(s) ,
even if it isnt recommended in the Car Owners Manual.

Re: sludge
 

Yep, you describe the machine I used. Sure, the junk that comes out looks
bad. My point is that most of the stuff is still in the engine. The
pitchers that sold my former dealership the machine described that it
would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.

Re: sludge
 

Yep, you describe the machine I used. Sure, the junk that comes out looks
bad. My point is that most of the stuff is still in the engine. The
pitchers that sold my former dealership the machine described that it
would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.

Re: sludge
 

Yep, you describe the machine I used. Sure, the junk that comes out looks
bad. My point is that most of the stuff is still in the engine. The
pitchers that sold my former dealership the machine described that it
would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.

Re: sludge
 

hyundaitech wrote:
> Yep, you describe the machine I used. Sure, the junk that comes out looks
> bad. My point is that most of the stuff is still in the engine. The
> pitchers that sold my former dealership the machine described that it
> would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.

Dave apparently is the same poster who I recently noticed touting
incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing)
Funny to find him in here promoting having some high school drop-out at
Pep Boys applying useless and potential harmfull applications of
solvents into an engine.

If one is so anally retentive as to desire all sludge out of an engine,
pull it, take it apart and "hot tank" it.

Re: sludge
 

hyundaitech wrote:
> Yep, you describe the machine I used. Sure, the junk that comes out looks
> bad. My point is that most of the stuff is still in the engine. The
> pitchers that sold my former dealership the machine described that it
> would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.

Dave apparently is the same poster who I recently noticed touting
incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing)
Funny to find him in here promoting having some high school drop-out at
Pep Boys applying useless and potential harmfull applications of
solvents into an engine.

If one is so anally retentive as to desire all sludge out of an engine,
pull it, take it apart and "hot tank" it.

Re: sludge
 

hyundaitech wrote:
> Yep, you describe the machine I used. Sure, the junk that comes out looks
> bad. My point is that most of the stuff is still in the engine. The
> pitchers that sold my former dealership the machine described that it
> would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.

Dave apparently is the same poster who I recently noticed touting
incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing)
Funny to find him in here promoting having some high school drop-out at
Pep Boys applying useless and potential harmfull applications of
solvents into an engine.

If one is so anally retentive as to desire all sludge out of an engine,
pull it, take it apart and "hot tank" it.

Re: sludge
 

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'Pep Boys has a special machine that cleans out sludge, dirt, etc...from
> the internal engine passages. It is called a Bilstein Engine Flush
> procedure which is very effective . They use special solvent cleaner
> thru high capacity filters . They conclude by adding fresh oil and an
> oil filter. I think the total price was $129.
>
> Maintain the car properly and you don't need gimmicks like this.
> Matt
>
> REPLY: Until youve had it done and see the junk that comes out in the
> Bilstien Machine and its filters....you shouldnt make relative opinions
> of inaccuracy. Regards.

It isn't the gunk that comes out that I care about, it is the gunk that
is loosened up and doesn't come out. I stand by my claim that these
treatments are not necessary, at best cause no harm, and at worst can
ruin your engine.

Kind of like all of the things dealers used to add on to line their
pockets and fleece customers - remember, rust proofing, scotch guard, etc.

Matt

Re: sludge
 

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'Pep Boys has a special machine that cleans out sludge, dirt, etc...from
> the internal engine passages. It is called a Bilstein Engine Flush
> procedure which is very effective . They use special solvent cleaner
> thru high capacity filters . They conclude by adding fresh oil and an
> oil filter. I think the total price was $129.
>
> Maintain the car properly and you don't need gimmicks like this.
> Matt
>
> REPLY: Until youve had it done and see the junk that comes out in the
> Bilstien Machine and its filters....you shouldnt make relative opinions
> of inaccuracy. Regards.

It isn't the gunk that comes out that I care about, it is the gunk that
is loosened up and doesn't come out. I stand by my claim that these
treatments are not necessary, at best cause no harm, and at worst can
ruin your engine.

Kind of like all of the things dealers used to add on to line their
pockets and fleece customers - remember, rust proofing, scotch guard, etc.

Matt