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Dave in Lake Villa 07-05-2006 05:52 PM

Re: sludge
 
'It isn't the gunk that comes out that I care about, it is the gunk that
is loosened up and doesn't come out. I stand by my claim that these
treatments are not necessary, at best cause no harm, and at worst can
ruin your engine.'

REPLY: Have you actually seen the Bilstein Flush Machine in operation
by a trained person ? If not, then you should refrain from denouncing
it until you have seen it in operation and have some conclusive
emphirical evidence to accurately report on . Lastly, what is your
basis for assuming that the sludge doesnt come out ?


Dave in Lake Villa 07-05-2006 05:57 PM

Re: sludge
 
'DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block oil
passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ? Ive
personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage vehicles
and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil and high
performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k miles if its
done with this specific Machine.

Let me guess. After you do this, you get 10% better fuel mileage, your
engine has 20 more HP, it runs quieter, starts better and stops faster.
Did I miss anything?
Matt '

REPLY: You should not be listened to Matt since you come to the table
with an unsupportable preconcieved bias in many instances ; you
denounce this particular Engine Flush procedure without even having
first hand knowledge or personal experience with it. At least go to
their website and come up to speed on the Machine, how it works, its
benefits, et al...instead of offering a conclusion based on personal
bias.


Dave in Lake Villa 07-05-2006 05:57 PM

Re: sludge
 
'DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block oil
passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ? Ive
personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage vehicles
and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil and high
performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k miles if its
done with this specific Machine.

Let me guess. After you do this, you get 10% better fuel mileage, your
engine has 20 more HP, it runs quieter, starts better and stops faster.
Did I miss anything?
Matt '

REPLY: You should not be listened to Matt since you come to the table
with an unsupportable preconcieved bias in many instances ; you
denounce this particular Engine Flush procedure without even having
first hand knowledge or personal experience with it. At least go to
their website and come up to speed on the Machine, how it works, its
benefits, et al...instead of offering a conclusion based on personal
bias.


Dave in Lake Villa 07-05-2006 05:57 PM

Re: sludge
 
'DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block oil
passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ? Ive
personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage vehicles
and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil and high
performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k miles if its
done with this specific Machine.

Let me guess. After you do this, you get 10% better fuel mileage, your
engine has 20 more HP, it runs quieter, starts better and stops faster.
Did I miss anything?
Matt '

REPLY: You should not be listened to Matt since you come to the table
with an unsupportable preconcieved bias in many instances ; you
denounce this particular Engine Flush procedure without even having
first hand knowledge or personal experience with it. At least go to
their website and come up to speed on the Machine, how it works, its
benefits, et al...instead of offering a conclusion based on personal
bias.


Dave in Lake Villa 07-05-2006 06:07 PM

Re: sludge
 
'Dave's been a good boy here. There have been others who have been out
of line with their comments and have dredged up their so-called trash
from other places.
I don't car about what anyone else says happens other places, not am I
going to go there just to look for dirt on Dave. He could be a great guy
or he could be the world's largest angle-side-side. As long as he's
respectful here (as he has been), I'll reply.'

REPLY: I appreciate your attitude and philosophy H.T. The main reason
why i have folks like 'Godless Heathen' stalk me in an attempt to
discredit me , is because I simply challenge their willful
godlessness/immorality/ of degradation ... and they dont seem to
like that too much. They think i should be tolerant to their 'religion'
of suppressed moral conscience, which isnt going to happen. The main
reason America is in the moral mess its in , is because of complacency
toward the Immoral Hedonists. Youd be surprised where these Varmin pop
up in the NG's i visit. Its not that i hate them...its that i take a
stand against their cause ; the same that our Founding Fathers did when
this (once) great country was birthed.


Dave in Lake Villa 07-05-2006 06:07 PM

Re: sludge
 
'Dave's been a good boy here. There have been others who have been out
of line with their comments and have dredged up their so-called trash
from other places.
I don't car about what anyone else says happens other places, not am I
going to go there just to look for dirt on Dave. He could be a great guy
or he could be the world's largest angle-side-side. As long as he's
respectful here (as he has been), I'll reply.'

REPLY: I appreciate your attitude and philosophy H.T. The main reason
why i have folks like 'Godless Heathen' stalk me in an attempt to
discredit me , is because I simply challenge their willful
godlessness/immorality/ of degradation ... and they dont seem to
like that too much. They think i should be tolerant to their 'religion'
of suppressed moral conscience, which isnt going to happen. The main
reason America is in the moral mess its in , is because of complacency
toward the Immoral Hedonists. Youd be surprised where these Varmin pop
up in the NG's i visit. Its not that i hate them...its that i take a
stand against their cause ; the same that our Founding Fathers did when
this (once) great country was birthed.


Dave in Lake Villa 07-05-2006 06:07 PM

Re: sludge
 
'Dave's been a good boy here. There have been others who have been out
of line with their comments and have dredged up their so-called trash
from other places.
I don't car about what anyone else says happens other places, not am I
going to go there just to look for dirt on Dave. He could be a great guy
or he could be the world's largest angle-side-side. As long as he's
respectful here (as he has been), I'll reply.'

REPLY: I appreciate your attitude and philosophy H.T. The main reason
why i have folks like 'Godless Heathen' stalk me in an attempt to
discredit me , is because I simply challenge their willful
godlessness/immorality/ of degradation ... and they dont seem to
like that too much. They think i should be tolerant to their 'religion'
of suppressed moral conscience, which isnt going to happen. The main
reason America is in the moral mess its in , is because of complacency
toward the Immoral Hedonists. Youd be surprised where these Varmin pop
up in the NG's i visit. Its not that i hate them...its that i take a
stand against their cause ; the same that our Founding Fathers did when
this (once) great country was birthed.


hyundaitech 07-05-2006 06:41 PM

Re: sludge
 
I looked inside before and after. No noticeable change. Considering the
amount of sludge that was originally there and the amount that was still
there, I didn't see the point in doing it a second time.


hyundaitech 07-05-2006 06:41 PM

Re: sludge
 
I looked inside before and after. No noticeable change. Considering the
amount of sludge that was originally there and the amount that was still
there, I didn't see the point in doing it a second time.


hyundaitech 07-05-2006 06:41 PM

Re: sludge
 
I looked inside before and after. No noticeable change. Considering the
amount of sludge that was originally there and the amount that was still
there, I didn't see the point in doing it a second time.


hyundaitech 07-05-2006 06:45 PM

Re: sludge
 
I hope this isn't an attempt to prove me wrong, Dave. While I support
Christian morals, I also support tolerance of others up to the point where
they begin to tread on my individual rights.


hyundaitech 07-05-2006 06:45 PM

Re: sludge
 
I hope this isn't an attempt to prove me wrong, Dave. While I support
Christian morals, I also support tolerance of others up to the point where
they begin to tread on my individual rights.


hyundaitech 07-05-2006 06:45 PM

Re: sludge
 
I hope this isn't an attempt to prove me wrong, Dave. While I support
Christian morals, I also support tolerance of others up to the point where
they begin to tread on my individual rights.


Matt Whiting 07-05-2006 07:42 PM

Re: sludge
 
Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'Dave apparently is the same poster who I recently noticed touting
> incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
> and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing) '
>
> REPLY: Had you bothered to really investigate that running straight
> distilled water makes an automotive engine cool better than a 50/50
> coolant solution....you would have found i was in fact, correct.


Yes, but coolant serves other purposes in addition to heat transfer.
And pure water isn't very good at corrosion protection, seal protection,
etc.


Matt

Matt Whiting 07-05-2006 07:42 PM

Re: sludge
 
Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'Dave apparently is the same poster who I recently noticed touting
> incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
> and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing) '
>
> REPLY: Had you bothered to really investigate that running straight
> distilled water makes an automotive engine cool better than a 50/50
> coolant solution....you would have found i was in fact, correct.


Yes, but coolant serves other purposes in addition to heat transfer.
And pure water isn't very good at corrosion protection, seal protection,
etc.


Matt


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