Richard Steinfeld

I'd like some discussion about this.
First, in my experience, most people who spam newsgroups nowadays
do so from gmail accounts. Another source has been google groups.

These Google services are a "wild west" because Google refuses to
do anything about the problem. It's been a severe problem on the
freeware group, so much so that we've had to employ heavy
built-in filtration in clients such as Thunderbird. In addition,
I use a free program named "NFilter." NFilter provides more
sophisticated filtration ahead of the news reader.

Spammers get around simple filters (like Thunderbird's) by
posting from phony names and continuously changing the names so
that your filter is continuously obsolete. As an example, check
out a spammer in this NG who uses variations on the name
"jenney." So, the only way to categorically dump them is by
dumping the entire domain from whence they come.

Of course, many nice people don't know about this and use gmail
accounts. On the other group, the gmail signal-noise ratio is so
bad that it's simply not worth it: I dump all gmail posts.
Period. It makes participation sane.

On another usenet group, there's one outstanding poster who comes
in via gmail. We (in the freeware group) devised a strategy of
passing the desired poster with an individual rule, and then
dumping everyone else from gmail right after that. It would be
too difficult to have to create individual "whitelist" rules for
each unique poster who might come in from gmail.

What do y'all think of this issue?

Richard

Mike Marlow

"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote in
message news:YeedncpDmLrDBynXnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@posted.sonic net...

> I'd like some discussion about this.

Why? It's been beaten to death and what you proposed in your full text
(snipped), offered no new thinking on how to deal with the issue. Further
discussion is just keeping the noise level up. Not worth it.

> First, in my experience, most people who spam newsgroups nowadays do so
> from gmail accounts. Another source has been google groups.
>

Gee, ya think?

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net

Ed Pawlowski

"Richard Steinfeld" <rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonicANDTHISTOO.net> wrote in
message news:YeedncpDmLrDBynXnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@posted.sonic net...
> I'd like some discussion about this.
> First, in my experience, most people who spam newsgroups nowadays do so
> from gmail accounts. Another source has been google groups.
>

What is there to discuss? They would not spam if idiots did not respond and
buy their crap. They are the ones to blame. No easy solution to stop them
either.

Set your filters with the right key words in the subject line and you'll
miss most of them.

Leythos

In article <YeedncpDmLrDBynXnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@posted.sonicnet> ,
rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonicANDTHISTOO.net says...
> What do y'all think of this issue?
>

In essence you're spamming this group with an Off-Topic thread, there
are abuse groups for your discussion.

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You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Michael Golden

Richard Steinfeld wrote:

>
> What do y'all think of this issue?
>
> Richard

I personally just don't download anything with a message ID containing
googlegroups.

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Amanda Hugenkiss

Richard Steinfeld wrote:
> I'd like some discussion about this.

>
> What do y'all think of this issue?



The resolution to the problem of internet spam is obvious.

Government intervention in the form of a take-over and buy out of all
i-net service providers using tax payer money, followed by extremely
stiff censorship rules. Now, if any of you think that's stupid or an
impossibility, you've had your head buried in the sand for the past year
or so...

Zeppo

> On another usenet group, there's one outstanding poster who comes in via
> gmail. We (in the freeware group) devised a strategy of passing the
> desired poster with an individual rule, and then dumping everyone else
> from gmail right after that. It would be too difficult to have to create
> individual "whitelist" rules for each unique poster who might come in from
> gmail.
>
> What do y'all think of this issue?
>
> Richard

Interestingly enough, this is one of the few NGs I don't see much spam in. I
use 'news.individual.net' and hardly see any spam in any of the .alt groups
I monitor. Most of the .rec groups are OK as well with the exception of the
high volume groups.

Jon