halatos2000@gmail.com wrote:

> "Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "
>
> Matt,
>
> I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
> problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
> and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
> down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
> this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.
>
> I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
> lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
> called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
> signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
> start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
> look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
> the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
> "This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
> ability or flow information."

I agree. I've looked at several sources of information, mostly on the
web as I can't find it elsewhere. Supertech is consistently substandard
as are the standard Fram filters and many other brands.


Matt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On 28 Mar 2006 09:57:05 -0800, halatos2000@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
>>problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
>>and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
>>down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
>
>
> Chris,
>
> I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
> times, as usual.

It likely changes year to year as Wal-Mart shops for the best price.

Matt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On 28 Mar 2006 09:57:05 -0800, halatos2000@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
>>problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
>>and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
>>down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
>
>
> Chris,
>
> I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
> times, as usual.

It likely changes year to year as Wal-Mart shops for the best price.

Matt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:

> On 28 Mar 2006 09:57:05 -0800, halatos2000@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
>>problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
>>and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
>>down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
>
>
> Chris,
>
> I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
> times, as usual.

It likely changes year to year as Wal-Mart shops for the best price.

Matt

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Jody wrote:
>>
>>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary
>> rather dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the
>> real issue is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered
>> before packaging, how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well
>> the QA tests are done to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc.
>> Low cost producers of many products generally have skimped somewhere
>> along the line. This may never cause a problem, then again it may.
>>
>> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
>> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
>> filters, and brakes for example.
>
>
> You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
> skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
> I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
> skimping?

Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
practices.

Matt

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Jody wrote:
>>
>>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary
>> rather dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the
>> real issue is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered
>> before packaging, how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well
>> the QA tests are done to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc.
>> Low cost producers of many products generally have skimped somewhere
>> along the line. This may never cause a problem, then again it may.
>>
>> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
>> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
>> filters, and brakes for example.
>
>
> You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
> skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
> I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
> skimping?

Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
practices.

Matt

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Jody wrote:
>>
>>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary
>> rather dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the
>> real issue is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered
>> before packaging, how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well
>> the QA tests are done to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc.
>> Low cost producers of many products generally have skimped somewhere
>> along the line. This may never cause a problem, then again it may.
>>
>> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
>> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
>> filters, and brakes for example.
>
>
> You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
> skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
> I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
> skimping?

Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
practices.

Matt

 

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:18:42 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
>That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
>quality products.


I don't think Deere makes their own mowers, do they? Neither does Troy
Built, Craftsman, Huskvarna, or Poulan AFAICT. They buy them from one of the
big manufacturers. I think "Yard Machines" is a main one, and another
company(? Maybe Electrolux?) is another big one.
--
Bob

 

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:18:42 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
>That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
>quality products.


I don't think Deere makes their own mowers, do they? Neither does Troy
Built, Craftsman, Huskvarna, or Poulan AFAICT. They buy them from one of the
big manufacturers. I think "Yard Machines" is a main one, and another
company(? Maybe Electrolux?) is another big one.
--
Bob

 

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:18:42 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:


>I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
>That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
>quality products.


I don't think Deere makes their own mowers, do they? Neither does Troy
Built, Craftsman, Huskvarna, or Poulan AFAICT. They buy them from one of the
big manufacturers. I think "Yard Machines" is a main one, and another
company(? Maybe Electrolux?) is another big one.
--
Bob

 

Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:18:42 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
>>That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
>>quality products.
>
>
>
> I don't think Deere makes their own mowers, do they? Neither does Troy
> Built, Craftsman, Huskvarna, or Poulan AFAICT. They buy them from one of the
> big manufacturers. I think "Yard Machines" is a main one, and another
> company(? Maybe Electrolux?) is another big one.

Last I knew Deere made most of their mowers. The engine in mine is a
Kawasaki, which I considered a plus after owning three Kawasaki
motorcycles. Consumer reports had an article on mowers some time ago
and talked about who made which mowers. I wasn't thinking John Deere
bought from one of the mower mills, but maybe that has changed for their
low-end machines like those sold at Home Depot. I didn't buy one of
those. :-)


Matt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:18:42 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
>>That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
>>quality products.
>
>
>
> I don't think Deere makes their own mowers, do they? Neither does Troy
> Built, Craftsman, Huskvarna, or Poulan AFAICT. They buy them from one of the
> big manufacturers. I think "Yard Machines" is a main one, and another
> company(? Maybe Electrolux?) is another big one.

Last I knew Deere made most of their mowers. The engine in mine is a
Kawasaki, which I considered a plus after owning three Kawasaki
motorcycles. Consumer reports had an article on mowers some time ago
and talked about who made which mowers. I wasn't thinking John Deere
bought from one of the mower mills, but maybe that has changed for their
low-end machines like those sold at Home Depot. I didn't buy one of
those. :-)


Matt

 

Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:18:42 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
>>That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
>>quality products.
>
>
>
> I don't think Deere makes their own mowers, do they? Neither does Troy
> Built, Craftsman, Huskvarna, or Poulan AFAICT. They buy them from one of the
> big manufacturers. I think "Yard Machines" is a main one, and another
> company(? Maybe Electrolux?) is another big one.

Last I knew Deere made most of their mowers. The engine in mine is a
Kawasaki, which I considered a plus after owning three Kawasaki
motorcycles. Consumer reports had an article on mowers some time ago
and talked about who made which mowers. I wasn't thinking John Deere
bought from one of the mower mills, but maybe that has changed for their
low-end machines like those sold at Home Depot. I didn't buy one of
those. :-)


Matt

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Jody wrote:
>>>
>>>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary
>>> rather dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the
>>> real issue is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered
>>> before packaging, how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well
>>> the QA tests are done to ensure that every batch is up to snuff,
>>> etc. Low cost producers of many products generally have skimped
>>> somewhere along the line. This may never cause a problem, then again
>>> it may.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
>>> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
>>> filters, and brakes for example.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech
>> is skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of
>> that. I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that
>> mean I'm skimping?
>
>
> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
> practices.

You know what they say about assuming...

It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
is good enough for Hyundai.

 

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Jody wrote:
>>>
>>>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary
>>> rather dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the
>>> real issue is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered
>>> before packaging, how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well
>>> the QA tests are done to ensure that every batch is up to snuff,
>>> etc. Low cost producers of many products generally have skimped
>>> somewhere along the line. This may never cause a problem, then again
>>> it may.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
>>> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
>>> filters, and brakes for example.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech
>> is skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of
>> that. I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that
>> mean I'm skimping?
>
>
> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
> practices.

You know what they say about assuming...

It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
is good enough for Hyundai.