synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
#91
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>>issue with modern oils?
>
>
> Excellent point!
>
> Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
> oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
>
> Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
> imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
Sorry, but I've seen test data (from the source I've mentioned here
several times before - MCN) that shows the above statement to be
patently false. There was a wide range of data in virtually every
parameter of the oil that was tested.
Some oils have far better additive packages than others, and the
correlation wasn't perfect with price and brand name, but it was
significantly correlated.
> This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
> standards metrics were primitive.
Standards in most cases provide only a minimum (or ocasionally a maximum
to prevent catcon poisoning) requirement. They don't ensure equality at
all. The Air Force has a minium height standard for its pilots (and a
maximum as well). Do you you really think this standard means that all
pilots in the Air Force are the same height?
> Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
> bottlers must comply or die. We win!
Ha, ha, ha. This is funnny.
Matt
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>>issue with modern oils?
>
>
> Excellent point!
>
> Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
> oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
>
> Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
> imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
Sorry, but I've seen test data (from the source I've mentioned here
several times before - MCN) that shows the above statement to be
patently false. There was a wide range of data in virtually every
parameter of the oil that was tested.
Some oils have far better additive packages than others, and the
correlation wasn't perfect with price and brand name, but it was
significantly correlated.
> This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
> standards metrics were primitive.
Standards in most cases provide only a minimum (or ocasionally a maximum
to prevent catcon poisoning) requirement. They don't ensure equality at
all. The Air Force has a minium height standard for its pilots (and a
maximum as well). Do you you really think this standard means that all
pilots in the Air Force are the same height?
> Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
> bottlers must comply or die. We win!
Ha, ha, ha. This is funnny.
Matt
#92
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:01 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You know what they say about assuming...
>>
>>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>>is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
> (allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
> using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
>
> God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
> whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
> that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
I'd suggest then that you use the cheapest oil (Supertech Dino is
probably it) and oil filters you can find. Actually, the best way to
solve your problem is to never change the oil at all!! :-)
Matt
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:01 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You know what they say about assuming...
>>
>>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>>is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
> (allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
> using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
>
> God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
> whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
> that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
I'd suggest then that you use the cheapest oil (Supertech Dino is
probably it) and oil filters you can find. Actually, the best way to
solve your problem is to never change the oil at all!! :-)
Matt
#93
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:01 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You know what they say about assuming...
>>
>>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>>is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
> (allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
> using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
>
> God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
> whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
> that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
I'd suggest then that you use the cheapest oil (Supertech Dino is
probably it) and oil filters you can find. Actually, the best way to
solve your problem is to never change the oil at all!! :-)
Matt
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:01 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You know what they say about assuming...
>>
>>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>>is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
> (allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
> using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
>
> God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
> whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
> that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
I'd suggest then that you use the cheapest oil (Supertech Dino is
probably it) and oil filters you can find. Actually, the best way to
solve your problem is to never change the oil at all!! :-)
Matt
#94
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:01 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You know what they say about assuming...
>>
>>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>>is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
> (allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
> using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
>
> God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
> whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
> that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
I'd suggest then that you use the cheapest oil (Supertech Dino is
probably it) and oil filters you can find. Actually, the best way to
solve your problem is to never change the oil at all!! :-)
Matt
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:01 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>You know what they say about assuming...
>>
>>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>>is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
> (allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
> using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
>
> God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
> whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
> that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
I'd suggest then that you use the cheapest oil (Supertech Dino is
probably it) and oil filters you can find. Actually, the best way to
solve your problem is to never change the oil at all!! :-)
Matt
#95
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>
>>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>>> business practices.
>>
>>
>>
>> You know what they say about assuming...
>
>
> My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
>
>
>> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved,
>> but the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products.
>> Supertech oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as
>> other brand name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's
>> it equivalent quality to other brands. Considering that it's a
>> synthetic, it's virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to
>> the dino oil that is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
> dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
> last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
> problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Once again, you're conconcting hypothetical, non-existent problems in an
effort to scare people into siding with you. What's with this nonsense?
What drives you to simply make things up?
> I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
> the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
> And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
> especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
So I guess the INDUSTRY STANDARD API certification isn't enough for you?
What the heck do you want?
We're talking about oil that comes from a source that produces oils for
name brand companies that you seem to think are just fine. It's the same
product with different labels. You can make up all kinds of
preposterous, hypothetical problems, but you can't change the facts. If
you want to be paranoid and spending more money makes you feel more
secure, do whatever you want. But this fear-mongering of yours is
nothing but an attempt to project your insecurties on others; it has
nothing to do with the quality of the products we're discussing. Either
that, or you're just so desperate for your viewpoint to prevail in this
discussion that you'll say anything.
If you want to do some actual research into the products, this API site
is a good place to start:
http://eolcs.api.org/%5Cindex.html
You can look up anything you want to know about oils, certification
standards, licencees and more.
If you enter "super tech" in the "Brand Name Contains" box and do a
search, you'll see that most Super Tech oils are certified API SM, the
highest current rating, and all other Super Tech motor oils are
certified API SL (for 2004 and older cars). Here's a guide to what the
API certifications mean:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf
If you look at their recommendations, you'll notice that they're
strikingly similar to what Hyundai recommends for their engines.
Like I said, do whatever you want, but lets cut through all the crap, OK?
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>
>>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>>> business practices.
>>
>>
>>
>> You know what they say about assuming...
>
>
> My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
>
>
>> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved,
>> but the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products.
>> Supertech oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as
>> other brand name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's
>> it equivalent quality to other brands. Considering that it's a
>> synthetic, it's virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to
>> the dino oil that is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
> dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
> last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
> problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Once again, you're conconcting hypothetical, non-existent problems in an
effort to scare people into siding with you. What's with this nonsense?
What drives you to simply make things up?
> I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
> the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
> And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
> especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
So I guess the INDUSTRY STANDARD API certification isn't enough for you?
What the heck do you want?
We're talking about oil that comes from a source that produces oils for
name brand companies that you seem to think are just fine. It's the same
product with different labels. You can make up all kinds of
preposterous, hypothetical problems, but you can't change the facts. If
you want to be paranoid and spending more money makes you feel more
secure, do whatever you want. But this fear-mongering of yours is
nothing but an attempt to project your insecurties on others; it has
nothing to do with the quality of the products we're discussing. Either
that, or you're just so desperate for your viewpoint to prevail in this
discussion that you'll say anything.
If you want to do some actual research into the products, this API site
is a good place to start:
http://eolcs.api.org/%5Cindex.html
You can look up anything you want to know about oils, certification
standards, licencees and more.
If you enter "super tech" in the "Brand Name Contains" box and do a
search, you'll see that most Super Tech oils are certified API SM, the
highest current rating, and all other Super Tech motor oils are
certified API SL (for 2004 and older cars). Here's a guide to what the
API certifications mean:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf
If you look at their recommendations, you'll notice that they're
strikingly similar to what Hyundai recommends for their engines.
Like I said, do whatever you want, but lets cut through all the crap, OK?
#96
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>
>>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>>> business practices.
>>
>>
>>
>> You know what they say about assuming...
>
>
> My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
>
>
>> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved,
>> but the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products.
>> Supertech oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as
>> other brand name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's
>> it equivalent quality to other brands. Considering that it's a
>> synthetic, it's virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to
>> the dino oil that is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
> dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
> last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
> problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Once again, you're conconcting hypothetical, non-existent problems in an
effort to scare people into siding with you. What's with this nonsense?
What drives you to simply make things up?
> I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
> the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
> And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
> especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
So I guess the INDUSTRY STANDARD API certification isn't enough for you?
What the heck do you want?
We're talking about oil that comes from a source that produces oils for
name brand companies that you seem to think are just fine. It's the same
product with different labels. You can make up all kinds of
preposterous, hypothetical problems, but you can't change the facts. If
you want to be paranoid and spending more money makes you feel more
secure, do whatever you want. But this fear-mongering of yours is
nothing but an attempt to project your insecurties on others; it has
nothing to do with the quality of the products we're discussing. Either
that, or you're just so desperate for your viewpoint to prevail in this
discussion that you'll say anything.
If you want to do some actual research into the products, this API site
is a good place to start:
http://eolcs.api.org/%5Cindex.html
You can look up anything you want to know about oils, certification
standards, licencees and more.
If you enter "super tech" in the "Brand Name Contains" box and do a
search, you'll see that most Super Tech oils are certified API SM, the
highest current rating, and all other Super Tech motor oils are
certified API SL (for 2004 and older cars). Here's a guide to what the
API certifications mean:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf
If you look at their recommendations, you'll notice that they're
strikingly similar to what Hyundai recommends for their engines.
Like I said, do whatever you want, but lets cut through all the crap, OK?
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>
>>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>>> business practices.
>>
>>
>>
>> You know what they say about assuming...
>
>
> My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
>
>
>> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved,
>> but the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products.
>> Supertech oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as
>> other brand name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's
>> it equivalent quality to other brands. Considering that it's a
>> synthetic, it's virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to
>> the dino oil that is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
> dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
> last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
> problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Once again, you're conconcting hypothetical, non-existent problems in an
effort to scare people into siding with you. What's with this nonsense?
What drives you to simply make things up?
> I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
> the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
> And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
> especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
So I guess the INDUSTRY STANDARD API certification isn't enough for you?
What the heck do you want?
We're talking about oil that comes from a source that produces oils for
name brand companies that you seem to think are just fine. It's the same
product with different labels. You can make up all kinds of
preposterous, hypothetical problems, but you can't change the facts. If
you want to be paranoid and spending more money makes you feel more
secure, do whatever you want. But this fear-mongering of yours is
nothing but an attempt to project your insecurties on others; it has
nothing to do with the quality of the products we're discussing. Either
that, or you're just so desperate for your viewpoint to prevail in this
discussion that you'll say anything.
If you want to do some actual research into the products, this API site
is a good place to start:
http://eolcs.api.org/%5Cindex.html
You can look up anything you want to know about oils, certification
standards, licencees and more.
If you enter "super tech" in the "Brand Name Contains" box and do a
search, you'll see that most Super Tech oils are certified API SM, the
highest current rating, and all other Super Tech motor oils are
certified API SL (for 2004 and older cars). Here's a guide to what the
API certifications mean:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf
If you look at their recommendations, you'll notice that they're
strikingly similar to what Hyundai recommends for their engines.
Like I said, do whatever you want, but lets cut through all the crap, OK?
#97
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Posts: n/a
Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>
>>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>>> business practices.
>>
>>
>>
>> You know what they say about assuming...
>
>
> My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
>
>
>> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved,
>> but the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products.
>> Supertech oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as
>> other brand name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's
>> it equivalent quality to other brands. Considering that it's a
>> synthetic, it's virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to
>> the dino oil that is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
> dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
> last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
> problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Once again, you're conconcting hypothetical, non-existent problems in an
effort to scare people into siding with you. What's with this nonsense?
What drives you to simply make things up?
> I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
> the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
> And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
> especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
So I guess the INDUSTRY STANDARD API certification isn't enough for you?
What the heck do you want?
We're talking about oil that comes from a source that produces oils for
name brand companies that you seem to think are just fine. It's the same
product with different labels. You can make up all kinds of
preposterous, hypothetical problems, but you can't change the facts. If
you want to be paranoid and spending more money makes you feel more
secure, do whatever you want. But this fear-mongering of yours is
nothing but an attempt to project your insecurties on others; it has
nothing to do with the quality of the products we're discussing. Either
that, or you're just so desperate for your viewpoint to prevail in this
discussion that you'll say anything.
If you want to do some actual research into the products, this API site
is a good place to start:
http://eolcs.api.org/%5Cindex.html
You can look up anything you want to know about oils, certification
standards, licencees and more.
If you enter "super tech" in the "Brand Name Contains" box and do a
search, you'll see that most Super Tech oils are certified API SM, the
highest current rating, and all other Super Tech motor oils are
certified API SL (for 2004 and older cars). Here's a guide to what the
API certifications mean:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf
If you look at their recommendations, you'll notice that they're
strikingly similar to what Hyundai recommends for their engines.
Like I said, do whatever you want, but lets cut through all the crap, OK?
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>
>>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>>> business practices.
>>
>>
>>
>> You know what they say about assuming...
>
>
> My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
>
>
>> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved,
>> but the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products.
>> Supertech oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as
>> other brand name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's
>> it equivalent quality to other brands. Considering that it's a
>> synthetic, it's virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to
>> the dino oil that is good enough for Hyundai.
>
>
> Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
> dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
> last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
> problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Once again, you're conconcting hypothetical, non-existent problems in an
effort to scare people into siding with you. What's with this nonsense?
What drives you to simply make things up?
> I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
> the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
> And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
> especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
So I guess the INDUSTRY STANDARD API certification isn't enough for you?
What the heck do you want?
We're talking about oil that comes from a source that produces oils for
name brand companies that you seem to think are just fine. It's the same
product with different labels. You can make up all kinds of
preposterous, hypothetical problems, but you can't change the facts. If
you want to be paranoid and spending more money makes you feel more
secure, do whatever you want. But this fear-mongering of yours is
nothing but an attempt to project your insecurties on others; it has
nothing to do with the quality of the products we're discussing. Either
that, or you're just so desperate for your viewpoint to prevail in this
discussion that you'll say anything.
If you want to do some actual research into the products, this API site
is a good place to start:
http://eolcs.api.org/%5Cindex.html
You can look up anything you want to know about oils, certification
standards, licencees and more.
If you enter "super tech" in the "Brand Name Contains" box and do a
search, you'll see that most Super Tech oils are certified API SM, the
highest current rating, and all other Super Tech motor oils are
certified API SL (for 2004 and older cars). Here's a guide to what the
API certifications mean:
http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf
If you look at their recommendations, you'll notice that they're
strikingly similar to what Hyundai recommends for their engines.
Like I said, do whatever you want, but lets cut through all the crap, OK?
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
> dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
> last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
> problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
>
> I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
> the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
> And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
> especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
>
Matt - you've been making some pretty big assumptions about QA throughout
this thread. Where is the breakdown in QA in your mind? It's refined in
the same plants. The distinction comes more at the packaging end of things.
Sure - there is potential for problems at every step but those problems
exist for everyone. Do you really believe that Mobil or any other supplier
has a QA process that is so unique and so different from what Wal Mart or
any other private label similar to Wal Mart has? I really doubt it. There
just isn't that much room in the supply chain as it exists, for huge
disparities in QA like you're suggesting. Besides - you've not documented
any reason to believe that there even is a QA difference, so why do you keep
mentioning the QA point? At some point, this kind of thing becomes what we
call FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Most times, totally unfounded and
only intended to smear a competitor or a product when no valid evidence
exists.
--
-Mike-
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:QJDWf.7562$lb.676859@news1.epix.net...
> Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
> dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
> last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
> problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
>
> I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
> the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
> And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
> especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
>
Matt - you've been making some pretty big assumptions about QA throughout
this thread. Where is the breakdown in QA in your mind? It's refined in
the same plants. The distinction comes more at the packaging end of things.
Sure - there is potential for problems at every step but those problems
exist for everyone. Do you really believe that Mobil or any other supplier
has a QA process that is so unique and so different from what Wal Mart or
any other private label similar to Wal Mart has? I really doubt it. There
just isn't that much room in the supply chain as it exists, for huge
disparities in QA like you're suggesting. Besides - you've not documented
any reason to believe that there even is a QA difference, so why do you keep
mentioning the QA point? At some point, this kind of thing becomes what we
call FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Most times, totally unfounded and
only intended to smear a competitor or a product when no valid evidence
exists.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:QJDWf.7562$lb.676859@news1.epix.net...
> Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
> dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
> last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
> problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
>
> I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
> the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
> And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
> especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
>
Matt - you've been making some pretty big assumptions about QA throughout
this thread. Where is the breakdown in QA in your mind? It's refined in
the same plants. The distinction comes more at the packaging end of things.
Sure - there is potential for problems at every step but those problems
exist for everyone. Do you really believe that Mobil or any other supplier
has a QA process that is so unique and so different from what Wal Mart or
any other private label similar to Wal Mart has? I really doubt it. There
just isn't that much room in the supply chain as it exists, for huge
disparities in QA like you're suggesting. Besides - you've not documented
any reason to believe that there even is a QA difference, so why do you keep
mentioning the QA point? At some point, this kind of thing becomes what we
call FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Most times, totally unfounded and
only intended to smear a competitor or a product when no valid evidence
exists.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Bob Adkins wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom
<brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
> >>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
> >>issue with modern oils?
> >
> >
> > Excellent point!
> >
> > Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference
in
> > oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
> >
> > Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst.
Almost
> > imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
>
> Sorry, but I've seen test data (from the source I've mentioned here
> several times before - MCN) that shows the above statement to be
> patently false. There was a wide range of data in virtually every
> parameter of the oil that was tested.
>
> Some oils have far better additive packages than others, and the
> correlation wasn't perfect with price and brand name, but it was
> significantly correlated.
>
Now that's a significant statement Matt - if it can be substantiated and
qualified. Can you share what kind of data you saw? What were the
parameters that differed and made that impression on you? How did those
parameters compare to standards? In other words - what were the specifics?
Is the data you saw available for review?
>
> > This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
> > standards metrics were primitive.
>
> Standards in most cases provide only a minimum (or ocasionally a maximum
> to prevent catcon poisoning) requirement. They don't ensure equality at
> all. The Air Force has a minium height standard for its pilots (and a
> maximum as well). Do you you really think this standard means that all
> pilots in the Air Force are the same height?
Standards do ensure that a product is indeed safe and proper for use - as
contrasted to arbitrary statements that "something may not be right". Not
to insult you but I'll accept standards certification long before I'll
accept your arguement that QA *may* not be up to snuff in the absense of any
evidence.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:HNDWf.7563$lb.676974@news1.epix.net...
> Bob Adkins wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom
<brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
> >>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
> >>issue with modern oils?
> >
> >
> > Excellent point!
> >
> > Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference
in
> > oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
> >
> > Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst.
Almost
> > imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
>
> Sorry, but I've seen test data (from the source I've mentioned here
> several times before - MCN) that shows the above statement to be
> patently false. There was a wide range of data in virtually every
> parameter of the oil that was tested.
>
> Some oils have far better additive packages than others, and the
> correlation wasn't perfect with price and brand name, but it was
> significantly correlated.
>
Now that's a significant statement Matt - if it can be substantiated and
qualified. Can you share what kind of data you saw? What were the
parameters that differed and made that impression on you? How did those
parameters compare to standards? In other words - what were the specifics?
Is the data you saw available for review?
>
> > This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
> > standards metrics were primitive.
>
> Standards in most cases provide only a minimum (or ocasionally a maximum
> to prevent catcon poisoning) requirement. They don't ensure equality at
> all. The Air Force has a minium height standard for its pilots (and a
> maximum as well). Do you you really think this standard means that all
> pilots in the Air Force are the same height?
Standards do ensure that a product is indeed safe and proper for use - as
contrasted to arbitrary statements that "something may not be right". Not
to insult you but I'll accept standards certification long before I'll
accept your arguement that QA *may* not be up to snuff in the absense of any
evidence.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:HNDWf.7563$lb.676974@news1.epix.net...
> Bob Adkins wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom
<brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
> >>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
> >>issue with modern oils?
> >
> >
> > Excellent point!
> >
> > Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference
in
> > oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
> >
> > Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst.
Almost
> > imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
>
> Sorry, but I've seen test data (from the source I've mentioned here
> several times before - MCN) that shows the above statement to be
> patently false. There was a wide range of data in virtually every
> parameter of the oil that was tested.
>
> Some oils have far better additive packages than others, and the
> correlation wasn't perfect with price and brand name, but it was
> significantly correlated.
>
Now that's a significant statement Matt - if it can be substantiated and
qualified. Can you share what kind of data you saw? What were the
parameters that differed and made that impression on you? How did those
parameters compare to standards? In other words - what were the specifics?
Is the data you saw available for review?
>
> > This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
> > standards metrics were primitive.
>
> Standards in most cases provide only a minimum (or ocasionally a maximum
> to prevent catcon poisoning) requirement. They don't ensure equality at
> all. The Air Force has a minium height standard for its pilots (and a
> maximum as well). Do you you really think this standard means that all
> pilots in the Air Force are the same height?
Standards do ensure that a product is indeed safe and proper for use - as
contrasted to arbitrary statements that "something may not be right". Not
to insult you but I'll accept standards certification long before I'll
accept your arguement that QA *may* not be up to snuff in the absense of any
evidence.
--
-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:19:28 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
>problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Again, that's a relic of the 1950's. Ain't gonna happen!
Even if it did happen, no oil bottler is immune to accidents.
--
Bob
>last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
>problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Again, that's a relic of the 1950's. Ain't gonna happen!
Even if it did happen, no oil bottler is immune to accidents.
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 22:19:28 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
>problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Again, that's a relic of the 1950's. Ain't gonna happen!
Even if it did happen, no oil bottler is immune to accidents.
--
Bob
>last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
>problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
Again, that's a relic of the 1950's. Ain't gonna happen!
Even if it did happen, no oil bottler is immune to accidents.
--
Bob