Topping Up Fuel Tank
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"Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> #3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it harmlessly
> disapates into the air.
>
Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has really
given a very definite answer on this question. Maybe we need to get rid of
some of the ozone layer to get rid of excess heat?
Or at least close the door at Al's house
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
http://www.thosebastards.com/archives/2520/
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On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > #3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it harmlessly
> > disapates into the air.
>
> Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has really
> given a very definite answer on this question.
Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
Maybe we need to get rid of
> some of the ozone layer to get rid of excess heat?
Sure and all the lifeforms on the planet with it.
Chris
> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > #3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it harmlessly
> > disapates into the air.
>
> Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has really
> given a very definite answer on this question.
Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
Maybe we need to get rid of
> some of the ozone layer to get rid of excess heat?
Sure and all the lifeforms on the planet with it.
Chris
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"Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Well we weren't pumping this much C02 into the atmosphere 100 years
> ago and I believe that for every action, there is an equal and
> opposite reaction.
>
> If you swallow a little bit of poison, you probably won't die. If you
> keep swallowing little bits of poison do you think it will never kill
> you cause the first bit didn't?
>
> Chris
Most of the research I have read (I said MOST) indicates that the natural
decay of the rain forests is causing most of the CO2 in the atmosphere
today. Man is just a drop in the proverbial bucket.
Eric
news:1172680032.800072.131020@z35g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com:
> Well we weren't pumping this much C02 into the atmosphere 100 years
> ago and I believe that for every action, there is an equal and
> opposite reaction.
>
> If you swallow a little bit of poison, you probably won't die. If you
> keep swallowing little bits of poison do you think it will never kill
> you cause the first bit didn't?
>
> Chris
Most of the research I have read (I said MOST) indicates that the natural
decay of the rain forests is causing most of the CO2 in the atmosphere
today. Man is just a drop in the proverbial bucket.
Eric
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"Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > #3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it
>> > harmlessly disapates into the air.
>>
>> Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has
>> really given a very definite answer on this question.
>
> Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
> atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
Yes, CO2 is the cause of the warming. No, it has not been proven that man
is contributing to the problem. You should do a bit more reading before
you close your mind completely.
Eric
news:1172687877.622045.162190@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:
> On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > #3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it
>> > harmlessly disapates into the air.
>>
>> Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has
>> really given a very definite answer on this question.
>
> Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
> atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
Yes, CO2 is the cause of the warming. No, it has not been proven that man
is contributing to the problem. You should do a bit more reading before
you close your mind completely.
Eric
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On Feb 28, 6:02 pm, "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAn...@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote:
> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1172680032.800072.131020@z35g2000cwz.google groups.com:
>
> > Well we weren't pumping this much C02 into the atmosphere 100 years
> > ago and I believe that for every action, there is an equal and
> > opposite reaction.
>
> > If you swallow a little bit of poison, you probably won't die. If you
> > keep swallowing little bits of poison do you think it will never kill
> > you cause the first bit didn't?
>
> > Chris
>
> Most of the research I have read (I said MOST) indicates that the natural
> decay of the rain forests is causing most of the CO2 in the atmosphere
> today. Man is just a drop in the proverbial bucket.
>
> Eric
How much research have you read? I'm guessing, not much.
Chris
> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1172680032.800072.131020@z35g2000cwz.google groups.com:
>
> > Well we weren't pumping this much C02 into the atmosphere 100 years
> > ago and I believe that for every action, there is an equal and
> > opposite reaction.
>
> > If you swallow a little bit of poison, you probably won't die. If you
> > keep swallowing little bits of poison do you think it will never kill
> > you cause the first bit didn't?
>
> > Chris
>
> Most of the research I have read (I said MOST) indicates that the natural
> decay of the rain forests is causing most of the CO2 in the atmosphere
> today. Man is just a drop in the proverbial bucket.
>
> Eric
How much research have you read? I'm guessing, not much.
Chris
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"Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>> PS Have you done any research on this?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes I have and it's pretty obvious what is happening to anyone but the
> hardiest of skeptics.
>
> Chris
The calsh of the bullheads....tonight on alt.autos.hyundai at 7. I
understand that you both think you are right, but most likely the truth is
somewhere in between.
Eric
news:1172680245.953261.90860@k78g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com:
>> PS Have you done any research on this?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes I have and it's pretty obvious what is happening to anyone but the
> hardiest of skeptics.
>
> Chris
The calsh of the bullheads....tonight on alt.autos.hyundai at 7. I
understand that you both think you are right, but most likely the truth is
somewhere in between.
Eric
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On Feb 28, 6:05 pm, "Eric G." <NgOrSePeAn...@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote:
> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1172687877.622045.162190@k78g2000cwa.google groups.com:
>
> > On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> >> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > #3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it
> >> > harmlessly disapates into the air.
>
> >> Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has
> >> really given a very definite answer on this question.
>
> > Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
> > atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
>
> Yes, CO2 is the cause of the warming. No, it has not been proven that man
> is contributing to the problem. You should do a bit more reading before
> you close your mind completely.
>
> Eric
Oh yeah it's the natural decay of the rain forest. The billions of
tonnes of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere is food for birds or
something right?
Chris
> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1172687877.622045.162190@k78g2000cwa.google groups.com:
>
> > On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
> >> "Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > #3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it
> >> > harmlessly disapates into the air.
>
> >> Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has
> >> really given a very definite answer on this question.
>
> > Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
> > atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
>
> Yes, CO2 is the cause of the warming. No, it has not been proven that man
> is contributing to the problem. You should do a bit more reading before
> you close your mind completely.
>
> Eric
Oh yeah it's the natural decay of the rain forest. The billions of
tonnes of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere is food for birds or
something right?
Chris
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"Eric G." <NgOrSePeAnM99@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote in message
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> "Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1172680245.953261.90860@k78g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com:
>
>
>>> PS Have you done any research on this?- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Yes I have and it's pretty obvious what is happening to anyone but the
>> hardiest of skeptics.
>>
>> Chris
>
> The calsh of the bullheads....tonight on alt.autos.hyundai at 7. I
> understand that you both think you are right, but most likely the truth is
> somewhere in between.
>
> Eric
Eric, it's a matter of showing hard scientific PROOF. There is none what so
ever that proves that man is causing the supposed global warming.
What some people call proof is nothing more that conjecture based on some
degree of correlation between a set of facts.
Correlation does not prove a dammed thing.
As an example: If the police stop 10 cars for speeding based on a radar
reading and all 10 cars were driven by people with red hair, then one
conclusion drawn from this set of facts would be: all speeders have red
hair.
Just as this example shows that the conclusion is bull crap (sorry I must be
politically correct, the conclusion is erroneous), the conclusions drawn
from the correlations used in the global warming argument have no greater
validity.
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Guncho wrote:
> On Feb 28, 7:09 am, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>
>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 27, 6:56 pm, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Feb 27, 6:47 am, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>On Feb 26, 11:28 pm, "Double Tap" <double...@37.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>"Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>>>news:1172548020.147167.38660@t69g2000cwt.g ooglegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>>>>>On Feb 26, 6:01 pm, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vic Garcia wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, those are not the engineers talking, those are the stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>politicians forcing every manufacturer to install expensive devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to protect some Owls in in Oregon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If they removed all that emission crap, the increase on efficiency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and lower gas use will make better for the environment, but of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course, then, big oil will not make record profits, and Detroit will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not sell a single car ... fat chance of that happening.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>AMEN!!!!!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Wow, two clueless folks in a row.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Catalytic convertors and related pollution controls remove something
>>>>>>>>>>>>upwards of 90% of the pollutants that would otherwise be emitted. To
>>>>>>>>>>>>make that up with better mileage alone would require that cars get 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>times better fuel mileage without the pollution controls. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>believe all of the gimmick ads you want, but thermodynamics precludes
>>>>>>>>>>>>this happening.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Matt
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Talk about CLUELESS?!?! Read this:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>*http://tinyurl.com/3b6qz8*
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Which has no connection to the discussion at hand. I agree that the
>>>>>>>>>>global warming hysteria is simply that, but that is completely
>>>>>>>>>>unconnected to the discussion about current automotive pollution
>>>>>>>>>>controls contribute to pollution or prevent it. The claims that they
>>>>>>>>>>actually contribute to polluiont through increased gas usage are just
>>>>>>>>>>hilarious. So, I guess maybe there is a connection to global warming
>>>>>>>>>>... both claims are equally ludicrous.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>>>Are you honestly suggesting that global warming is not occuring at an
>>>>>>>>>unnatural rate?
>>
>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>
>>>>>>>>There is not one single shred of evidence that HUMANS are causing global
>>>>>>>>warming.
>>
>>>>>>>Uhh there's tonnes of evidence actually. The temperature and C02
>>>>>>>level spikes, mirror identically the population spike that started
>>>>>>>during the baby boom.
>>
>>>>>>>>The earth has gone through numerous periods of warming and cooling. ALL
>>>>>>>>happened before humans were in an industrial society. As a matter of FACT
>>>>>>>>some of these periods happened before humans were present on our planet.
>>>>>>>>Double Tap- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>There has been no period of warming that was this off the charts.
>>>>>>>It's obviously not natural.
>>
>>>>>>That is only because we only have records for a couple of hundred years.
>>
>>>>>>What about the global cooling warnings of the 70s? What happened to that?
>>
>>>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>Or how bout how once doctor's said it was good to smoke cigarettes?
>>>>>Puts the whole thing in doubt eh? Guess we should all start smoking.
>>
>>>>>PS We actually have records going back thousands of years obtained
>>>>
>>>>>from ice core samples in the arctic.
>>
>>>>>Chris
>>
>>>>Those aren't temperature records. We can only speculate and infer
>>>>temperatures from ice core samples.
>>
>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>So carbon dating is just speculation and inferrence?
>>
>>Yes, we have no fool-proof way to know that the decay mechanism is
>>predictable over thousands of years.
>>
>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Okay let me ask you this.
>
> #1 Do you agree that we are pumping tonnes of C02 into the
> atmosphere?
Yes.
> #2 Do you agree that 100 years ago humans were not putting this amount
> of C02 into the air?
I don't know. A lot of humans burned a lot of wood, coal and other
things for heat back then in very inefficient devices. I have no idea
of we are creating more now than then, and neither does anyone else. I
don't think we had accurate measurements 100 years ago.
> #3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it harmlessly
> disapates into the air.
I think the trees and plants love it!
Matt
> On Feb 28, 7:09 am, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>
>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 27, 6:56 pm, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Feb 27, 6:47 am, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>On Feb 26, 11:28 pm, "Double Tap" <double...@37.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>"Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>>>news:1172548020.147167.38660@t69g2000cwt.g ooglegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>>>>>On Feb 26, 6:01 pm, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Vic Garcia wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, those are not the engineers talking, those are the stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>politicians forcing every manufacturer to install expensive devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to protect some Owls in in Oregon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If they removed all that emission crap, the increase on efficiency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and lower gas use will make better for the environment, but of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course, then, big oil will not make record profits, and Detroit will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not sell a single car ... fat chance of that happening.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>AMEN!!!!!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Wow, two clueless folks in a row.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Catalytic convertors and related pollution controls remove something
>>>>>>>>>>>>upwards of 90% of the pollutants that would otherwise be emitted. To
>>>>>>>>>>>>make that up with better mileage alone would require that cars get 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>times better fuel mileage without the pollution controls. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>believe all of the gimmick ads you want, but thermodynamics precludes
>>>>>>>>>>>>this happening.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Matt
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Talk about CLUELESS?!?! Read this:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>*http://tinyurl.com/3b6qz8*
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Which has no connection to the discussion at hand. I agree that the
>>>>>>>>>>global warming hysteria is simply that, but that is completely
>>>>>>>>>>unconnected to the discussion about current automotive pollution
>>>>>>>>>>controls contribute to pollution or prevent it. The claims that they
>>>>>>>>>>actually contribute to polluiont through increased gas usage are just
>>>>>>>>>>hilarious. So, I guess maybe there is a connection to global warming
>>>>>>>>>>... both claims are equally ludicrous.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>>>Are you honestly suggesting that global warming is not occuring at an
>>>>>>>>>unnatural rate?
>>
>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>
>>>>>>>>There is not one single shred of evidence that HUMANS are causing global
>>>>>>>>warming.
>>
>>>>>>>Uhh there's tonnes of evidence actually. The temperature and C02
>>>>>>>level spikes, mirror identically the population spike that started
>>>>>>>during the baby boom.
>>
>>>>>>>>The earth has gone through numerous periods of warming and cooling. ALL
>>>>>>>>happened before humans were in an industrial society. As a matter of FACT
>>>>>>>>some of these periods happened before humans were present on our planet.
>>>>>>>>Double Tap- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>There has been no period of warming that was this off the charts.
>>>>>>>It's obviously not natural.
>>
>>>>>>That is only because we only have records for a couple of hundred years.
>>
>>>>>>What about the global cooling warnings of the 70s? What happened to that?
>>
>>>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>Or how bout how once doctor's said it was good to smoke cigarettes?
>>>>>Puts the whole thing in doubt eh? Guess we should all start smoking.
>>
>>>>>PS We actually have records going back thousands of years obtained
>>>>
>>>>>from ice core samples in the arctic.
>>
>>>>>Chris
>>
>>>>Those aren't temperature records. We can only speculate and infer
>>>>temperatures from ice core samples.
>>
>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>So carbon dating is just speculation and inferrence?
>>
>>Yes, we have no fool-proof way to know that the decay mechanism is
>>predictable over thousands of years.
>>
>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Okay let me ask you this.
>
> #1 Do you agree that we are pumping tonnes of C02 into the
> atmosphere?
Yes.
> #2 Do you agree that 100 years ago humans were not putting this amount
> of C02 into the air?
I don't know. A lot of humans burned a lot of wood, coal and other
things for heat back then in very inefficient devices. I have no idea
of we are creating more now than then, and neither does anyone else. I
don't think we had accurate measurements 100 years ago.
> #3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it harmlessly
> disapates into the air.
I think the trees and plants love it!
Matt
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
>>#3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it harmlessly
>>disapates into the air.
>>
>
>
> Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has really
> given a very definite answer on this question. Maybe we need to get rid of
> some of the ozone layer to get rid of excess heat?
>
> Or at least close the door at Al's house
> http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
> http://www.thosebastards.com/archives/2520/
Yes, I had to love the report on Hypocrite Al and his house that
consumes 10X the electricity of the rest of us. Anyone who thinks he
isn't in this for the money and the free publicity is naive beyond belief.
Matt
> "Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
>>#3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it harmlessly
>>disapates into the air.
>>
>
>
> Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has really
> given a very definite answer on this question. Maybe we need to get rid of
> some of the ozone layer to get rid of excess heat?
>
> Or at least close the door at Al's house
> http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
> http://www.thosebastards.com/archives/2520/
Yes, I had to love the report on Hypocrite Al and his house that
consumes 10X the electricity of the rest of us. Anyone who thinks he
isn't in this for the money and the free publicity is naive beyond belief.
Matt
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Guncho wrote:
> On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>>"Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>#3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it harmlessly
>>>disapates into the air.
>>
>>Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has really
>>given a very definite answer on this question.
>
>
> Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
> atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
That is one theory. And a wrong one, but a theory.
You still haven't addressed the global cooling claims of the 1970s.
What makes you so sure that the "scientists" are right this time when
they were wrong then?
Matt
> On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>>"Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>#3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it harmlessly
>>>disapates into the air.
>>
>>Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has really
>>given a very definite answer on this question.
>
>
> Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
> atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
That is one theory. And a wrong one, but a theory.
You still haven't addressed the global cooling claims of the 1970s.
What makes you so sure that the "scientists" are right this time when
they were wrong then?
Matt
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"Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1172703981.183690.293880@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com:
>> Most of the research I have read (I said MOST) indicates that the
>> natural decay of the rain forests is causing most of the CO2 in the
>> atmosphere today. Man is just a drop in the proverbial bucket.
>>
>> Eric
>
> How much research have you read? I'm guessing, not much.
>
> Chris
That's a funny one because I was going to say that about you. Is your last
name Gore by any chance?
Eric
news:1172703981.183690.293880@m58g2000cwm.googlegr oups.com:
>> Most of the research I have read (I said MOST) indicates that the
>> natural decay of the rain forests is causing most of the CO2 in the
>> atmosphere today. Man is just a drop in the proverbial bucket.
>>
>> Eric
>
> How much research have you read? I'm guessing, not much.
>
> Chris
That's a funny one because I was going to say that about you. Is your last
name Gore by any chance?
Eric
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Eric G. wrote:
> "Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1172687877.622045.162190@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
>>On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>#3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it
>>>>harmlessly disapates into the air.
>>>
>>>Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has
>>>really given a very definite answer on this question.
>>
>>Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
>>atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
>
>
> Yes, CO2 is the cause of the warming. No, it has not been proven that man
> is contributing to the problem. You should do a bit more reading before
> you close your mind completely.
How do you know it is the cause of warming? It might be that we are
receiving more energy from the sun these days.
Matt
> "Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1172687877.622045.162190@k78g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:
>
>
>>On Feb 28, 1:22 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"Guncho" <cgun...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>#3 What do you think happens to this C02? Do you think it
>>>>harmlessly disapates into the air.
>>>
>>>Some is absorbed by plants and turned into oxygen. Neither side has
>>>really given a very definite answer on this question.
>>
>>Uhh yes they have. It stops the suns rays from leaving the
>>atmosphere. That's what is causing the warming.
>
>
> Yes, CO2 is the cause of the warming. No, it has not been proven that man
> is contributing to the problem. You should do a bit more reading before
> you close your mind completely.
How do you know it is the cause of warming? It might be that we are
receiving more energy from the sun these days.
Matt
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Re: Topping Up Fuel Tank
Guncho wrote:
> On Feb 28, 7:11 am, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>
>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 27, 6:57 pm, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Feb 27, 6:46 am, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>On Feb 26, 6:01 pm, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Vic Garcia wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, those are not the engineers talking, those are the stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>politicians forcing every manufacturer to install expensive devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>to protect some Owls in in Oregon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>If they removed all that emission crap, the increase on efficiency
>>>>>>>>>>>>and lower gas use will make better for the environment, but of
>>>>>>>>>>>>course, then, big oil will not make record profits, and Detroit will
>>>>>>>>>>>>not sell a single car ... fat chance of that happening.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>AMEN!!!!!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Wow, two clueless folks in a row.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Catalytic convertors and related pollution controls remove something
>>>>>>>>>>upwards of 90% of the pollutants that would otherwise be emitted. To
>>>>>>>>>>make that up with better mileage alone would require that cars get 10
>>>>>>>>>>times better fuel mileage without the pollution controls. You can
>>>>>>>>>>believe all of the gimmick ads you want, but thermodynamics precludes
>>>>>>>>>>this happening.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Matt
>>
>>>>>>>>>Talk about CLUELESS?!?! Read this:
>>
>>>>>>>>>*http://tinyurl.com/3b6qz8*
>>
>>>>>>>>Which has no connection to the discussion at hand. I agree that the
>>>>>>>>global warming hysteria is simply that, but that is completely
>>>>>>>>unconnected to the discussion about current automotive pollution
>>>>>>>>controls contribute to pollution or prevent it. The claims that they
>>>>>>>>actually contribute to polluiont through increased gas usage are just
>>>>>>>>hilarious. So, I guess maybe there is a connection to global warming
>>>>>>>>... both claims are equally ludicrous.
>>
>>>>>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>Are you honestly suggesting that global warming is not occuring at an
>>>>>>>unnatural rate?
>>
>>>>>>Yes, I am suggesting that.
>>
>>>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
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>>>>>Well, you would be wrong.
>>
>>>>>Chris
>>
>>>>No, and in a few more years the truth will come out and this hoax will
>>>>pass as have the previous hoaxes such as global cooling, cold fusion, etc.
>>
>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
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>>>Guess we'll find out.
>>
>>>PS Have you done any research on this or is this all just off the top
>>>of your head?
>>
>>Not a tremendous amount, but I have read articles by the scientists and
>>climatologists who have been courageous enough to speak out against this
>>(many of whom are now losing their jobs because they didn't follow the
>>party line) and their arguments are more compelling to me that the
>>global warming camp.
>>
>>Also, just look at the history. I'm old enough to remember the global
>>cooling and pending "mini ice age" scare of the 70s. Are you?
>>
>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
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>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Did you know that global warming is capable of causing another mini
> ice age in Europe? If the ice in Greenland continues to melt into the
> sea it will stop the warm tropical current that keeps Europe at a
> reasonable temperature.
Life is tough all around the world I guess.
Matt
> On Feb 28, 7:11 am, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>
>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 27, 6:57 pm, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Feb 27, 6:46 am, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>On Feb 26, 6:01 pm, Matt Whiting <whit...@epix.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>m...@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Vic Garcia wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually, those are not the engineers talking, those are the stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>politicians forcing every manufacturer to install expensive devices
>>>>>>>>>>>>to protect some Owls in in Oregon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>If they removed all that emission crap, the increase on efficiency
>>>>>>>>>>>>and lower gas use will make better for the environment, but of
>>>>>>>>>>>>course, then, big oil will not make record profits, and Detroit will
>>>>>>>>>>>>not sell a single car ... fat chance of that happening.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>AMEN!!!!!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Wow, two clueless folks in a row.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Catalytic convertors and related pollution controls remove something
>>>>>>>>>>upwards of 90% of the pollutants that would otherwise be emitted. To
>>>>>>>>>>make that up with better mileage alone would require that cars get 10
>>>>>>>>>>times better fuel mileage without the pollution controls. You can
>>>>>>>>>>believe all of the gimmick ads you want, but thermodynamics precludes
>>>>>>>>>>this happening.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>Matt
>>
>>>>>>>>>Talk about CLUELESS?!?! Read this:
>>
>>>>>>>>>*http://tinyurl.com/3b6qz8*
>>
>>>>>>>>Which has no connection to the discussion at hand. I agree that the
>>>>>>>>global warming hysteria is simply that, but that is completely
>>>>>>>>unconnected to the discussion about current automotive pollution
>>>>>>>>controls contribute to pollution or prevent it. The claims that they
>>>>>>>>actually contribute to polluiont through increased gas usage are just
>>>>>>>>hilarious. So, I guess maybe there is a connection to global warming
>>>>>>>>... both claims are equally ludicrous.
>>
>>>>>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>>>>Are you honestly suggesting that global warming is not occuring at an
>>>>>>>unnatural rate?
>>
>>>>>>Yes, I am suggesting that.
>>
>>>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
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>>>>>Well, you would be wrong.
>>
>>>>>Chris
>>
>>>>No, and in a few more years the truth will come out and this hoax will
>>>>pass as have the previous hoaxes such as global cooling, cold fusion, etc.
>>
>>>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>
>>>Guess we'll find out.
>>
>>>PS Have you done any research on this or is this all just off the top
>>>of your head?
>>
>>Not a tremendous amount, but I have read articles by the scientists and
>>climatologists who have been courageous enough to speak out against this
>>(many of whom are now losing their jobs because they didn't follow the
>>party line) and their arguments are more compelling to me that the
>>global warming camp.
>>
>>Also, just look at the history. I'm old enough to remember the global
>>cooling and pending "mini ice age" scare of the 70s. Are you?
>>
>>Matt- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Did you know that global warming is capable of causing another mini
> ice age in Europe? If the ice in Greenland continues to melt into the
> sea it will stop the warm tropical current that keeps Europe at a
> reasonable temperature.
Life is tough all around the world I guess.
Matt
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Re: Topping Up Fuel Tank
"Guncho" <cgunter@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1172704090.708099.148210@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com:
> Oh yeah it's the natural decay of the rain forest. The billions of
> tonnes of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere is food for birds or
> something right?
>
> Chris
The natural decay of the rain forest is at LEAST 50 times the level of CO2
pumped out by humans.
And just out of curiosity, how old are you? From what I have read, the
word tonne hasn't been used since the 50's or so. And you are not using it
right anyway.
Eric
news:1172704090.708099.148210@a75g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com:
> Oh yeah it's the natural decay of the rain forest. The billions of
> tonnes of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere is food for birds or
> something right?
>
> Chris
The natural decay of the rain forest is at LEAST 50 times the level of CO2
pumped out by humans.
And just out of curiosity, how old are you? From what I have read, the
word tonne hasn't been used since the 50's or so. And you are not using it
right anyway.
Eric