In virtually every parking lot, you find half the cars Asian make
01-09-2009, 07:29 AM
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In virtually every parking lot, you find half the cars Asian make
I was reflecting on this fact the other day , and recall how Americans
at one time would turn up their noses at something that was 'Made in
Japan' as cheap and inferior ; my, how times have changed. Now we
have the top 3 U.S. Car Makers pleading for a financial bailout
because Americans dont have confidence in the reliability of American
cars any longer/the value is not where it should be.
Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
at one time would turn up their noses at something that was 'Made in
Japan' as cheap and inferior ; my, how times have changed. Now we
have the top 3 U.S. Car Makers pleading for a financial bailout
because Americans dont have confidence in the reliability of American
cars any longer/the value is not where it should be.
Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
01-09-2009, 09:43 AM
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Re: In virtually every parking lot, you find half the cars Asian make
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
> give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
> specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
I was a GM buyer for many years until my last Buick. I also used to laugh
at people that bought Hyundai based on the original cars they imported in
1988. GM got me PO'd with my last car. When I started thinking about
buying something new, two people I knew had a rented Sonata on a trip and
they were impressed with it. I decided to take a look as I did like the
Sonata styling.
I ended up buying a Sonata Limited. It has pretty much every feature that
the Lucerne I was also considering has. I can see minor differences in
quality of materials on the dashboard, carpeting, and so forth. The Sonata
though, has Stability Control, all the goodies like heated seats,
electrochromatic mirror, heated outside mirrors, powerful engine and things
of that sort. What the Sonata did lack was about $8000 in the price tag.
Will I ever go back? Sure, it they can offer me the same value. I really
wanted a Lamborghini, but I heard that they are not so good in the snow so I
passed on it.
01-09-2009, 06:43 PM
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Re: In virtually every parking lot, you find half the cars Asianmake
IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> I was reflecting on this fact the other day , and recall how Americans
> at one time would turn up their noses at something that was 'Made in
> Japan' as cheap and inferior ; my, how times have changed. Now we
> have the top 3 U.S. Car Makers pleading for a financial bailout
> because Americans dont have confidence in the reliability of American
> cars any longer/the value is not where it should be.
>
> Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
> give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
> specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
That is because at one time things made in Japan WERE cheap and inferior.
I'm not sold on any make of car. All manufacturers come and go with
regard to quality, design, etc., and what is good today may not be good
tomorrow. Oddly as it seems today, the cars I've had that have lasted
the longest mileage-wise have all been Chryslers, an Acclaim (146K
before a deer totaled it), a Jeep Comanche (150K before it succumbed to
rust after nearly 20 years) and a Grand Voyager (182K before a drunk
totaled it). My current Grand Caravan is gaining fast at 110K and my
Chevy truck is doing well at 108K, but is my oldest vehicle by far at 15
years. It will rust out before it wears out as I drive it mainly in the
winter as a snow plow vehicle and in the PA/NY area the road salt is
incredible.
My Sonata is doing well, but at less than 50K miles I can't speak to its
durability. I will say that initial indications aren't great as the
rear rotors are shot already. My truck still has its originals!! I
fear the Sonata may be like my 84 Accord and being to self-destruct at
60K miles, but I'm still hoping for the best. However, to me a car
hasn't even begun to earn its keep until it rolls past 100K miles.
I will consider Hyundai for my next minivan or car, but mainly because I
find the new Chrylser minivans to be butt ugly. However, even if
Hyundai made a full-size truck, I'll still buy a Chevy next ... assuming
GM is still in business. After the performance of my 94 K1500, this
isn't even a point of question.
Matt
> I was reflecting on this fact the other day , and recall how Americans
> at one time would turn up their noses at something that was 'Made in
> Japan' as cheap and inferior ; my, how times have changed. Now we
> have the top 3 U.S. Car Makers pleading for a financial bailout
> because Americans dont have confidence in the reliability of American
> cars any longer/the value is not where it should be.
>
> Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
> give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
> specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
That is because at one time things made in Japan WERE cheap and inferior.
I'm not sold on any make of car. All manufacturers come and go with
regard to quality, design, etc., and what is good today may not be good
tomorrow. Oddly as it seems today, the cars I've had that have lasted
the longest mileage-wise have all been Chryslers, an Acclaim (146K
before a deer totaled it), a Jeep Comanche (150K before it succumbed to
rust after nearly 20 years) and a Grand Voyager (182K before a drunk
totaled it). My current Grand Caravan is gaining fast at 110K and my
Chevy truck is doing well at 108K, but is my oldest vehicle by far at 15
years. It will rust out before it wears out as I drive it mainly in the
winter as a snow plow vehicle and in the PA/NY area the road salt is
incredible.
My Sonata is doing well, but at less than 50K miles I can't speak to its
durability. I will say that initial indications aren't great as the
rear rotors are shot already. My truck still has its originals!! I
fear the Sonata may be like my 84 Accord and being to self-destruct at
60K miles, but I'm still hoping for the best. However, to me a car
hasn't even begun to earn its keep until it rolls past 100K miles.
I will consider Hyundai for my next minivan or car, but mainly because I
find the new Chrylser minivans to be butt ugly. However, even if
Hyundai made a full-size truck, I'll still buy a Chevy next ... assuming
GM is still in business. After the performance of my 94 K1500, this
isn't even a point of question.
Matt
01-09-2009, 07:30 PM
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Re: In virtually every parking lot, you find half the cars Asian make
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 04:29:44 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote:
>I was reflecting on this fact the other day , and recall how Americans
>at one time would turn up their noses at something that was 'Made in
>Japan' as cheap and inferior ; my, how times have changed. Now we
>have the top 3 U.S. Car Makers pleading for a financial bailout
>because Americans dont have confidence in the reliability of American
>cars any longer/the value is not where it should be.
>
>Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
>give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
>specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
One very important factor in Hyundai convincing first time buyers was
the outstanding warranty offered.
When compared with the 36,000 mile/ 3 year warranty common among US
makes one has to ask. Why are they not willing to offer a longer
warranty.
Another item that caught my attention is the number of what are extras
on many other makes coming standard on the Hyundai.
I bought a 2000 Sonata V6 new in April 2000 and has never had any
buyer's remorse. It has been an extremely reliable car.
The water pump went out at 61,000 miles and it was replaced under the
warranty. At first the dealer was balking at doing this repair as
warranty work. I contacted Hyundai USA and told them what the dealer
was doing. Then the dealer contacted me and said that they would do
the water pump and asked me if I wanted to pay the parts price only to
have the timing belt replaced at the same time.
I told them that considering the hassle I had initially I was not
going to have the belt replaced since in California the timing belt
replacement was NOT on the required service list and would be covered
under the 10 year/ 100000 mile provision even if it failed and trashed
the engine.
When I got the car back the dealer had replaced the timing belt as a
Good Will extra with no charge service. I did not even pay for the
belt itself. They also replaced the serpentine belt at no charge.
That kind of service is hard to find.
Joe
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<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote:
>I was reflecting on this fact the other day , and recall how Americans
>at one time would turn up their noses at something that was 'Made in
>Japan' as cheap and inferior ; my, how times have changed. Now we
>have the top 3 U.S. Car Makers pleading for a financial bailout
>because Americans dont have confidence in the reliability of American
>cars any longer/the value is not where it should be.
>
>Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
>give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
>specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
One very important factor in Hyundai convincing first time buyers was
the outstanding warranty offered.
When compared with the 36,000 mile/ 3 year warranty common among US
makes one has to ask. Why are they not willing to offer a longer
warranty.
Another item that caught my attention is the number of what are extras
on many other makes coming standard on the Hyundai.
I bought a 2000 Sonata V6 new in April 2000 and has never had any
buyer's remorse. It has been an extremely reliable car.
The water pump went out at 61,000 miles and it was replaced under the
warranty. At first the dealer was balking at doing this repair as
warranty work. I contacted Hyundai USA and told them what the dealer
was doing. Then the dealer contacted me and said that they would do
the water pump and asked me if I wanted to pay the parts price only to
have the timing belt replaced at the same time.
I told them that considering the hassle I had initially I was not
going to have the belt replaced since in California the timing belt
replacement was NOT on the required service list and would be covered
under the 10 year/ 100000 mile provision even if it failed and trashed
the engine.
When I got the car back the dealer had replaced the timing belt as a
Good Will extra with no charge service. I did not even pay for the
belt itself. They also replaced the serpentine belt at no charge.
That kind of service is hard to find.
Joe
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01-10-2009, 10:39 AM
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Re: In virtually every parking lot, you find half the cars Asianmake
Voyager wrote:
> IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
>> Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
>> give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
>> specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
I would. In fact I'm considering a new GMC Sierra pickup. Current
price is a factor and my commute has decreased drastically over the last
10 years.
> I'm not sold on any make of car. All manufacturers come and go with
> regard to quality, design, etc., and what is good today may not be good
> tomorrow. Oddly as it seems today, the cars I've had that have lasted
> the longest mileage-wise have all been Chryslers, an Acclaim (146K
> before a deer totaled it), a Jeep Comanche (150K before it succumbed to
> rust after nearly 20 years) and a Grand Voyager (182K before a drunk
> totaled it). My current Grand Caravan is gaining fast at 110K and my
> Chevy truck is doing well at 108K, but is my oldest vehicle by far at 15
> years. It will rust out before it wears out as I drive it mainly in the
> winter as a snow plow vehicle and in the PA/NY area the road salt is
I put 240K on an '88 Jeep Wagoneer before giving it away to a charity.
I rebuilt the tranny at 160K. I have close to 500K on my '79 Ford F100.
Albeit I rebuilt the motor and tranny each once in the F100, I'm still
drive it daily the 5-6 miles to work. One of the kids is driving an '87
Camry we gave him that is at 95K, bought from an old gal who never drove
much. Other kid is driving a '93 Festiva w/ 100K on it. There's been
other cars I've owned over the years, some good, some not so good but I
truly believe that routine service is the key to longevity. In fact
I've proven the value of routinely servicing my vehicles including
motorcycles since my first car in '67 which was an indestructible '55
Chevy 2 door hard-top.
> My Sonata is doing well, but at less than 50K miles I can't speak to its
> durability.
Same here w/ a 2009 Sonata Ltd. First time Hyundai buyer and it seems
to be a very decent car - so far. It's the wife's daily driver.
> IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
>> Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
>> give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
>> specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
I would. In fact I'm considering a new GMC Sierra pickup. Current
price is a factor and my commute has decreased drastically over the last
10 years.
> I'm not sold on any make of car. All manufacturers come and go with
> regard to quality, design, etc., and what is good today may not be good
> tomorrow. Oddly as it seems today, the cars I've had that have lasted
> the longest mileage-wise have all been Chryslers, an Acclaim (146K
> before a deer totaled it), a Jeep Comanche (150K before it succumbed to
> rust after nearly 20 years) and a Grand Voyager (182K before a drunk
> totaled it). My current Grand Caravan is gaining fast at 110K and my
> Chevy truck is doing well at 108K, but is my oldest vehicle by far at 15
> years. It will rust out before it wears out as I drive it mainly in the
> winter as a snow plow vehicle and in the PA/NY area the road salt is
I put 240K on an '88 Jeep Wagoneer before giving it away to a charity.
I rebuilt the tranny at 160K. I have close to 500K on my '79 Ford F100.
Albeit I rebuilt the motor and tranny each once in the F100, I'm still
drive it daily the 5-6 miles to work. One of the kids is driving an '87
Camry we gave him that is at 95K, bought from an old gal who never drove
much. Other kid is driving a '93 Festiva w/ 100K on it. There's been
other cars I've owned over the years, some good, some not so good but I
truly believe that routine service is the key to longevity. In fact
I've proven the value of routinely servicing my vehicles including
motorcycles since my first car in '67 which was an indestructible '55
Chevy 2 door hard-top.
> My Sonata is doing well, but at less than 50K miles I can't speak to its
> durability.
Same here w/ a 2009 Sonata Ltd. First time Hyundai buyer and it seems
to be a very decent car - so far. It's the wife's daily driver.
01-10-2009, 02:50 PM
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Re: In virtually every parking lot, you find half the cars Asian make
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 04:29:44 -0800 (PST), "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote:
>I was reflecting on this fact the other day , and recall how Americans
>at one time would turn up their noses at something that was 'Made in
>Japan' as cheap and inferior ; my, how times have changed. Now we
>have the top 3 U.S. Car Makers pleading for a financial bailout
>because Americans dont have confidence in the reliability of American
>cars any longer/the value is not where it should be.
>
>Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
>give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
>specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
1. Just bought a Ford P/U - Hyundai not available here if they make
one. Assuming equal fit, finish, price and available features I would
buy American. I won't buy an automatic transmission, satellite radio
or a foreign made vehicle with a big 3 badge.
<IlBeBauck@gmail.com> wrote:
>I was reflecting on this fact the other day , and recall how Americans
>at one time would turn up their noses at something that was 'Made in
>Japan' as cheap and inferior ; my, how times have changed. Now we
>have the top 3 U.S. Car Makers pleading for a financial bailout
>because Americans dont have confidence in the reliability of American
>cars any longer/the value is not where it should be.
>
>Im wondering if those of us who are now sold on Hyundai , will one day
>give The Big 3 another chance , and...what would it take
>specifically before making the switch back ? Thanks.
1. Just bought a Ford P/U - Hyundai not available here if they make
one. Assuming equal fit, finish, price and available features I would
buy American. I won't buy an automatic transmission, satellite radio
or a foreign made vehicle with a big 3 badge.
01-11-2009, 06:04 AM
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hyundaimech@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 10, 10:39 am, Mark Time <m...@home.org> wrote:
>> One of the kids is driving an '87
>> Camry....
>
> One of the best cars ever made, in my opinion.
Yes and it was a great deal. Original owner had it for 20 years before
I got in w/ 70K on it and for $1500 in '07. Wife used it for her daily
freeway commute. Kid needed a car, so we got to looking at '08 Camrys.
We stopped at the Hyundai dealer and she fell in love w/ the '09 Sonata
Ltd. LOL I got the deal I wanted. The kid's not on the freeway much,
mostly surface streets w/ school and job but having no air bag is a bit
dicey IMHO.
> On Jan 10, 10:39 am, Mark Time <m...@home.org> wrote:
>> One of the kids is driving an '87
>> Camry....
>
> One of the best cars ever made, in my opinion.
Yes and it was a great deal. Original owner had it for 20 years before
I got in w/ 70K on it and for $1500 in '07. Wife used it for her daily
freeway commute. Kid needed a car, so we got to looking at '08 Camrys.
We stopped at the Hyundai dealer and she fell in love w/ the '09 Sonata
Ltd. LOL I got the deal I wanted. The kid's not on the freeway much,
mostly surface streets w/ school and job but having no air bag is a bit
dicey IMHO.
01-12-2009, 03:43 PM
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Re: In virtually every parking lot, you find half the cars Asian make
On Jan 11, 5:04 am, Mark Time <m...@home.org> wrote:
> hyundaim...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 10, 10:39 am, Mark Time <m...@home.org> wrote:
> >> One of the kids is driving an '87
> >> Camry....
>
> > One of the best cars ever made, in my opinion.
>
> Yes and it was a great deal. Original owner had it for 20 years before
> I got in w/ 70K on it and for $1500 in '07. Wife used it for her daily
> freeway commute. Kid needed a car, so we got to looking at '08 Camrys.
> We stopped at the Hyundai dealer and she fell in love w/ the '09 Sonata
> Ltd. LOL I got the deal I wanted. The kid's not on the freeway much,
> mostly surface streets w/ school and job but having no air bag is a bit
> dicey IMHO.
I think the Corporate philosophy is different between America and
Asia . In addition, I think Workers pride is higher in Asia and they
dont have the 'entitlement' attitude that everybody owes them .
Attitudes of people come out in the quality of work all the time.
> hyundaim...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 10, 10:39 am, Mark Time <m...@home.org> wrote:
> >> One of the kids is driving an '87
> >> Camry....
>
> > One of the best cars ever made, in my opinion.
>
> Yes and it was a great deal. Original owner had it for 20 years before
> I got in w/ 70K on it and for $1500 in '07. Wife used it for her daily
> freeway commute. Kid needed a car, so we got to looking at '08 Camrys.
> We stopped at the Hyundai dealer and she fell in love w/ the '09 Sonata
> Ltd. LOL I got the deal I wanted. The kid's not on the freeway much,
> mostly surface streets w/ school and job but having no air bag is a bit
> dicey IMHO.
I think the Corporate philosophy is different between America and
Asia . In addition, I think Workers pride is higher in Asia and they
dont have the 'entitlement' attitude that everybody owes them .
Attitudes of people come out in the quality of work all the time.
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