The Awesome 1

What a joke HONDA has. They advertise a hybrid but it get 29 mpg????
As the salesman attempted to explain their pantented hybrid technology
he stated the gas engine is ALWAYS RUNNING!

Our deaership manager still states the MG is due out in a few months to
replace the Accent, then the hybrid Tucson will follow for 2006. Santa
Fe will not be hybrid.

Jody

diesel may cost more, but its goes alot farther per tank than a gas car...
ive never seen a vw tdi yet belch black smoke..
"The Awesome 1" <theawesome1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Boy do they stink & majority of them have black smoke out the tailpipe.
>
> Diesel fuel is $.30 more a gallon than 98 Octane!
>

Don

A friend has had a Toyota Prius for about 6 months. He keeps pretty
meticulous records and uses it on the job, so he puts a lot of miles on it.
He says he's been getting about 52 mpg. His last trip was to go skiing so
there was considerable climbing too.

Don

"The Awesome 1" <theawesome1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> What a joke HONDA has. They advertise a hybrid but it get 29 mpg????
> As the salesman attempted to explain their pantented hybrid technology
> he stated the gas engine is ALWAYS RUNNING!
>
> Our deaership manager still states the MG is due out in a few months to
> replace the Accent, then the hybrid Tucson will follow for 2006. Santa
> Fe will not be hybrid.
>

Jody

id love one those hybrid things,
but a , to $$$ and i dont think thyed be too good in our winters when its
like - 30 f. cold kills batteries =(
"Don" <dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet> wrote in message
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>A friend has had a Toyota Prius for about 6 months. He keeps pretty
> meticulous records and uses it on the job, so he puts a lot of miles on
> it.
> He says he's been getting about 52 mpg. His last trip was to go skiing so
> there was considerable climbing too.
>
> Don
>
> "The Awesome 1" <theawesome1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1113392447.733876.49150@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>> What a joke HONDA has. They advertise a hybrid but it get 29 mpg????
>> As the salesman attempted to explain their pantented hybrid technology
>> he stated the gas engine is ALWAYS RUNNING!
>>
>> Our deaership manager still states the MG is due out in a few months to
>> replace the Accent, then the hybrid Tucson will follow for 2006. Santa
>> Fe will not be hybrid.
>>
>
>

Brian Nystrom

Jody wrote:
> diesel may cost more, but its goes alot farther per tank than a gas car...

If you actually sit down and do the math, figuring the increased cost of
the car and fuel vs. the improved mileage, you'll probably find that it
will take you in excess of 10 years to actually save any money.

Brian Nystrom

One thing that people lose sight of in all this hybrid craze is that
whether buying a hybrid is a good idea from an economic standpoint or
not depends on your current automotive situation. If you definitely need
a new car - because your current car is worn out or you need an
additional vehicle - buying a hybrid makes sense. However, if you have a
functioning car that gets reasonable gas mileage and has a few years of
life left in it, getting rid of it and buying a hybrid is unlikely to
save you any money, due to the high cost of the initial purchase. If
you're the type of person who regularly turns their cars over every few
years, you're used to wasting money so you may as well go for it. ;-)

Jody

yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so bad..
the jetta doesnt cost any more than a loaded sonata so....
if hyundai would bring their damn cdi's to canada theyed kick vws butt
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
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> Jody wrote:
>> diesel may cost more, but its goes alot farther per tank than a gas
>> car...
>
> If you actually sit down and do the math, figuring the increased cost of
> the car and fuel vs. the improved mileage, you'll probably find that it
> will take you in excess of 10 years to actually save any money.

Jody

thats your look / view what ever u call it i guess =)
i just dont like paying for unexpected car repairs id rather have new every
5 yrs
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
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> One thing that people lose sight of in all this hybrid craze is that
> whether buying a hybrid is a good idea from an economic standpoint or not
> depends on your current automotive situation. If you definitely need a new
> car - because your current car is worn out or you need an additional
> vehicle - buying a hybrid makes sense. However, if you have a functioning
> car that gets reasonable gas mileage and has a few years of life left in
> it, getting rid of it and buying a hybrid is unlikely to save you any
> money, due to the high cost of the initial purchase. If you're the type of
> person who regularly turns their cars over every few years, you're used to
> wasting money so you may as well go for it. ;-)

Don

The friend with the Prius is in Boston ...pretty chilly there.

Don

"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> id love one those hybrid things,
> but a , to $$$ and i dont think thyed be too good in our winters when its
> like - 30 f. cold kills batteries =(
> "Don" <dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet> wrote in message
> news:9c2dnf2Kq5QTMMDfRVn-1g@comcast.com...
> >A friend has had a Toyota Prius for about 6 months. He keeps pretty
> > meticulous records and uses it on the job, so he puts a lot of miles on
> > it.
> > He says he's been getting about 52 mpg. His last trip was to go skiing
so
> > there was considerable climbing too.
> >
> > Don
> >
> > "The Awesome 1" <theawesome1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1113392447.733876.49150@f14g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> >> What a joke HONDA has. They advertise a hybrid but it get 29 mpg????
> >> As the salesman attempted to explain their pantented hybrid technology
> >> he stated the gas engine is ALWAYS RUNNING!
> >>
> >> Our deaership manager still states the MG is due out in a few months to
> >> replace the Accent, then the hybrid Tucson will follow for 2006. Santa
> >> Fe will not be hybrid.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Brian Nystrom

Jody wrote:
> yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so bad..
> the jetta doesnt cost any more than a loaded sonata so....
> if hyundai would bring their damn cdi's to canada theyed kick vws butt

Leasing is the most expensive way to "own" a car. It ranks right up
there with buying and trading in every 2-3 years. Essentially, you're
paying for the cost of the car's depreciation during the years when it
depreciates the most. The reason that car companies push leasing is
because that's where they make the most money. While leasing makes sense
for businesses, it rarely makes economic sense for an individual.

Nothing personal, but it seems a bit odd to me to quibble over a few
bucks in fuel costs when you're throwing away thousands of dollars due
to your choice of ownership method.

If you're truly interested in saving money, the best way is to buy a car
that's 2-3 years old and keep it until it's worn out. Second best is to
buy a new car and keep it until it's worn out. By "worn out", I mean
that the cost of repairs exceeds the value of the vehicle. With
reasonable maintenance, that can easily be ten years and 150,000 miles
or more.

I'm generalizing here and perhaps you're in a special situation that
creates a different need. There are some good books available that
explain this in greater detail and help you decide what ownership method
makes the most sense for your situation, and how to negotiate the best
deal. The "classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't
get Taken Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you
thousands.

Brian Nystrom

Jody wrote:
> thats your look / view what ever u call it i guess =)

It's not mine at all, it's simply what I've learned from experts in the
field who know much more about it than I do.

> i just dont like paying for unexpected car repairs id rather have new every
> 5 yrs

So in order to avoid paying for repairs that may never happen, you're
paying more for your cars up front, EVERY time, by getting rid of them
while they still have a lot of life left?

Please don't take this personally, as I don't intend it that way. I
didn't realize this either until I read the book I referred to in the
other post above (many years ago) and some other materials that
corroborated it. Although it's possible that you may avoid a costly
repair once in a while, on balance, it's much more expensive to turn
your cars over prematurely. The fact that you're hanging onto them for 5
years rather than 2 or 3 mitigates that somewhat, but it's still not the
most economical way to own, especially considering the durability of
modern vehicles. Please don't take my word for it; check it out for
yourself. There are a lot of good references on the subject.

Jody

your right i guess =)
but i like to have new car, something weve never had
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
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> Jody wrote:
>> yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so
>> bad..
>> the jetta doesnt cost any more than a loaded sonata so....
>> if hyundai would bring their damn cdi's to canada theyed kick vws butt
>
> Leasing is the most expensive way to "own" a car. It ranks right up there
> with buying and trading in every 2-3 years. Essentially, you're paying for
> the cost of the car's depreciation during the years when it depreciates
> the most. The reason that car companies push leasing is because that's
> where they make the most money. While leasing makes sense for businesses,
> it rarely makes economic sense for an individual.
>
> Nothing personal, but it seems a bit odd to me to quibble over a few bucks
> in fuel costs when you're throwing away thousands of dollars due to your
> choice of ownership method.
>
> If you're truly interested in saving money, the best way is to buy a car
> that's 2-3 years old and keep it until it's worn out. Second best is to
> buy a new car and keep it until it's worn out. By "worn out", I mean that
> the cost of repairs exceeds the value of the vehicle. With reasonable
> maintenance, that can easily be ten years and 150,000 miles or more.
>
> I'm generalizing here and perhaps you're in a special situation that
> creates a different need. There are some good books available that explain
> this in greater detail and help you decide what ownership method makes the
> most sense for your situation, and how to negotiate the best deal. The
> "classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't get Taken
> Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you thousands.

Jody

are you my dentist???? my dentist has identical name =)
talar svenska?
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
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> Jody wrote:
>> yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so
>> bad..
>> the jetta doesnt cost any more than a loaded sonata so....
>> if hyundai would bring their damn cdi's to canada theyed kick vws butt
>
> Leasing is the most expensive way to "own" a car. It ranks right up there
> with buying and trading in every 2-3 years. Essentially, you're paying for
> the cost of the car's depreciation during the years when it depreciates
> the most. The reason that car companies push leasing is because that's
> where they make the most money. While leasing makes sense for businesses,
> it rarely makes economic sense for an individual.
>
> Nothing personal, but it seems a bit odd to me to quibble over a few bucks
> in fuel costs when you're throwing away thousands of dollars due to your
> choice of ownership method.
>
> If you're truly interested in saving money, the best way is to buy a car
> that's 2-3 years old and keep it until it's worn out. Second best is to
> buy a new car and keep it until it's worn out. By "worn out", I mean that
> the cost of repairs exceeds the value of the vehicle. With reasonable
> maintenance, that can easily be ten years and 150,000 miles or more.
>
> I'm generalizing here and perhaps you're in a special situation that
> creates a different need. There are some good books available that explain
> this in greater detail and help you decide what ownership method makes the
> most sense for your situation, and how to negotiate the best deal. The
> "classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't get Taken
> Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you thousands.

Jody

im not taking it personally and im aware about the mony part, thats why i
looking at new accent (low payments)

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
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> Jody wrote:
>> thats your look / view what ever u call it i guess =)
>
> It's not mine at all, it's simply what I've learned from experts in the
> field who know much more about it than I do.
>
>> i just dont like paying for unexpected car repairs id rather have new
>> every 5 yrs
>
> So in order to avoid paying for repairs that may never happen, you're
> paying more for your cars up front, EVERY time, by getting rid of them
> while they still have a lot of life left?
>
> Please don't take this personally, as I don't intend it that way. I didn't
> realize this either until I read the book I referred to in the other post
> above (many years ago) and some other materials that corroborated it.
> Although it's possible that you may avoid a costly repair once in a while,
> on balance, it's much more expensive to turn your cars over prematurely.
> The fact that you're hanging onto them for 5 years rather than 2 or 3
> mitigates that somewhat, but it's still not the most economical way to
> own, especially considering the durability of modern vehicles. Please
> don't take my word for it; check it out for yourself. There are a lot of
> good references on the subject.

Jody

our accents still pretty good though its paint is showing our wiinters
wrath, it NEVER uses any oil ive never topped it up since we owned it. we
have 136 000 kms now on it.
i have to bring in next week for new tie rod end and cv boots to local
fjord dealer
"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> are you my dentist???? my dentist has identical name =)
> talar svenska?
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
> news:8MP7e.78316$cg1.42856@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> Jody wrote:
>>> yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so
>>> bad..
>>> the jetta doesnt cost any more than a loaded sonata so....
>>> if hyundai would bring their damn cdi's to canada theyed kick vws butt
>>
>> Leasing is the most expensive way to "own" a car. It ranks right up there
>> with buying and trading in every 2-3 years. Essentially, you're paying
>> for the cost of the car's depreciation during the years when it
>> depreciates the most. The reason that car companies push leasing is
>> because that's where they make the most money. While leasing makes sense
>> for businesses, it rarely makes economic sense for an individual.
>>
>> Nothing personal, but it seems a bit odd to me to quibble over a few
>> bucks in fuel costs when you're throwing away thousands of dollars due to
>> your choice of ownership method.
>>
>> If you're truly interested in saving money, the best way is to buy a car
>> that's 2-3 years old and keep it until it's worn out. Second best is to
>> buy a new car and keep it until it's worn out. By "worn out", I mean that
>> the cost of repairs exceeds the value of the vehicle. With reasonable
>> maintenance, that can easily be ten years and 150,000 miles or more.
>>
>> I'm generalizing here and perhaps you're in a special situation that
>> creates a different need. There are some good books available that
>> explain this in greater detail and help you decide what ownership method
>> makes the most sense for your situation, and how to negotiate the best
>> deal. The "classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't
>> get Taken Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you
>> thousands.
>
>