stevek

I just got my 2007 Santa Fe, Limited, Ultimate Package, AWD yesterday
and am, so far, very satisfied.

Question: I noticed that Elecronic Stability Control (ESC) and All
Wheel Drive can be manually turned off or on. Why would one want to
turn ESC off? And, if AWD is off does than mean that if the front
wheels start to slip traction will not go to rear automatically?

Thanks

Brian Nystrom

stevek wrote:
> I just got my 2007 Santa Fe, Limited, Ultimate Package, AWD yesterday
> and am, so far, very satisfied.
>
> Question: I noticed that Elecronic Stability Control (ESC) and All
> Wheel Drive can be manually turned off or on. Why would one want to
> turn ESC off?

Probably for the same reason that one would turn off ABS; these wiz-bang
electronic systems are typically the least usefull when you need them
most, such as in really low traction situations (ice, for one).

> And, if AWD is off does than mean that if the front
> wheels start to slip traction will not go to rear automatically?

Yup, you'd be just dragging around dead weight that eats into your gas
mileage.

Edwin Pawlowski

"stevek" <steve.kravit@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176088541.054077.202860@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>I just got my 2007 Santa Fe, Limited, Ultimate Package, AWD yesterday
> and am, so far, very satisfied.
>
> Question: I noticed that Elecronic Stability Control (ESC) and All
> Wheel Drive can be manually turned off or on. Why would one want to
> turn ESC off?

If you have a flat tire and put on a small spare, it could be sending false
signals, or so I'm told.

ESC works. I had a situation last week where, at 65 mph, I had to cut to
the left lane suddenly and the pavement was wet. I don't know that I'd have
fared well without it as I pulled the wheel sharp left, then right. I
thought I'd be skidding or going off the side, but the ESC kicked in and it
tracked right through.

Matt Whiting

stevek wrote:
> I just got my 2007 Santa Fe, Limited, Ultimate Package, AWD yesterday
> and am, so far, very satisfied.
>
> Question: I noticed that Elecronic Stability Control (ESC) and All
> Wheel Drive can be manually turned off or on. Why would one want to
> turn ESC off? And, if AWD is off does than mean that if the front
> wheels start to slip traction will not go to rear automatically?

I'm not sure why you would turn off AWD unless there is a fuel mileage
gain to be had, but most AWD systems, unlike the older 4WD systems, tend
to have less impact on mileage whether they are on or off. Probably
their biggest impact is weight and you can't turn that off.

As for ESC, traction control, etc., there are cases where this is a
handicap. Deep mud and snow come to mind. In those conditions you want
to spin to clean the tread on your tires so that you can keep biting
into the snow or mud. Limiting spinning in those conditions, mud
especially, will get you stuck in a heart beat.

The same holds for ABS in deep snow, sand, etc. It would be better if
you could turn it off and lock the wheels, but ABS doesn't give you that
option.

Matt

Matt Whiting

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "stevek" <steve.kravit@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1176088541.054077.202860@b75g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>> I just got my 2007 Santa Fe, Limited, Ultimate Package, AWD yesterday
>> and am, so far, very satisfied.
>>
>> Question: I noticed that Elecronic Stability Control (ESC) and All
>> Wheel Drive can be manually turned off or on. Why would one want to
>> turn ESC off?
>
> If you have a flat tire and put on a small spare, it could be sending false
> signals, or so I'm told.

Yes, I've heard that also. Have not yet (knock on wood) had to find out.

Matt

Darby OGill

If you had a childish moment, and you wanted to dust off someone at the
lights, you might turn esc off . wheel spin isn't good I suppose, but I bet
funny cars don't have esc.

Its a good question though. Does esc only apply braking to a slipping wheel
ala tyraction control? I've had it feel like it actvated only once-around a
wet exit ramp while on the gas......never has kicked in while off the
throttle.

Matt Whiting

Darby OGill wrote:
> If you had a childish moment, and you wanted to dust off someone at the
> lights, you might turn esc off . wheel spin isn't good I suppose, but I bet
> funny cars don't have esc.

Actually, wheel spin is a bad deal for fast acceleration. Funny cars
don't have ESC last I knew, but they have something that performs a
similar function - a slipper clutch. If a Funny car loses traction and
smokes the tire, they lose. When two are side-by-side and fairly
equally matched and then one spins the tires, the difference in
acceleration is dramatic as the car with the smoking tires drops back
instantly and dramatically.

> Its a good question though. Does esc only apply braking to a slipping wheel
> ala tyraction control? I've had it feel like it actvated only once-around a
> wet exit ramp while on the gas......never has kicked in while off the
> throttle.

It also cuts the throttle. I took off on a road with a thin layer of
ice one morning and the car started bucking like crazy. I thought
something was wrong and let off the throttle and it stopped. I got back
on the throttle again and it started bucking again. Guessing at that
point that it was the ESC, I hit the brakes and the ABS kicked in
instantly. I was on black ice.

Matt

Eric G.

Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
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> It also cuts the throttle. I took off on a road with a thin layer of
> ice one morning and the car started bucking like crazy. I thought
> something was wrong and let off the throttle and it stopped. I got
> back on the throttle again and it started bucking again. Guessing at
> that point that it was the ESC, I hit the brakes and the ABS kicked in
> instantly. I was on black ice.
>
> Matt

Yes, I can vouch for the same response on black ice. I had at least 10
mornings this Winter with the nasty stuff. Although we barely got any snow
in my part of NJ this year, the black ice was the worst I can recall.

Although in my car I certainly wouldn't call it bucking. I have a feeling
that is because I have an AT versus your MT.

Personally, though, I really like the ESC and ABS in the bad weather. I
could use the throttle and brakes almost as I would in "normal" weather,
albeit at a slower (safe) speed.

I loathe it in the dry weather though. It takes away some of the fun of
driving as far as I am concerned. It is a good idea for those with worse
reaction time that me though.

Eric

Darby OGill

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Darby OGill wrote:
>> If you had a childish moment, and you wanted to dust off someone at the
>> lights, you might turn esc off . wheel spin isn't good I suppose, but I
>> bet funny cars don't have esc.
>
> Actually, wheel spin is a bad deal for fast acceleration. Funny cars
> don't have ESC last I knew, but they have something that performs a
> similar function - a slipper clutch. If a Funny car loses traction and
> smokes the tire, they lose. When two are side-by-side and fairly equally
> matched and then one spins the tires, the difference in acceleration is
> dramatic as the car with the smoking tires drops back instantly and
> dramatically.
>
>> Its a good question though. Does esc only apply braking to a slipping
>> wheel ala tyraction control? I've had it feel like it actvated only
>> once-around a wet exit ramp while on the gas......never has kicked in
>> while off the throttle.
>
> It also cuts the throttle. I took off on a road with a thin layer of ice
> one morning and the car started bucking like crazy. I thought something
> was wrong and let off the throttle and it stopped. I got back on the
> throttle again and it started bucking again. Guessing at that point that
> it was the ESC, I hit the brakes and the ABS kicked in instantly. I was
> on black ice.
>
> Matt

Matt, I follow what you say ., and now that you mentioned it, I guess I did
notice throttle being affected. So I concur with one caveat....having had a
such childish moments in my life, it seems from those experiences I can get
a better hole shot using my foot/brain combination rather than the traction
control. The onboard system seems to "give up" at wheel spin and not let you
back into the fray quick enough! That being said, I almost never would have
esc turned off, and don't advocate street racing.

hyundaitech

ESC is actually three separate systems.

1. ABS. This activates only during braking and modulates the fluid
pressure to wheels that are starting to lock up.

2. Traction control. This will modulate the ABS, reduce power through
the throttle or by cutting fuel, and in some cases upshift the
transmission.

3. Stability control. This will momentarily activate the brake (one
pulse) on one wheel to cause the vehicle to rotate more in the desired
direction.

Wayne Moses

Reply to message from "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> (Mon, 09 Apr
2007 19:20:28) about "Re: Why turn ESC off?":

h> ESC is actually three separate systems.

Thanks for taking the time to straighten out this issue as it seems to have
skidded off at a tangent. ;-)

Best Regards
Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:50:10 -0500

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Fantine

Can ESC be put into a car after the fact (like in my 07 Elantra, which has
ABS)?

"hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
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> ESC is actually three separate systems.
>
> 1. ABS. This activates only during braking and modulates the fluid
> pressure to wheels that are starting to lock up.
>
> 2. Traction control. This will modulate the ABS, reduce power through
> the throttle or by cutting fuel, and in some cases upshift the
> transmission.
>
> 3. Stability control. This will momentarily activate the brake (one
> pulse) on one wheel to cause the vehicle to rotate more in the desired
> direction.
>

Mike Marlow

"Fantine" <fantine@att.net> wrote in message
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> Can ESC be put into a car after the fact (like in my 07 Elantra, which has
> ABS)?
>

Nope.


--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net






> "hyundaitech" <notpublic@not.public.com> wrote in message
> news:0ef58fe3909afbd0c6aa71f2395a23eb@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
> > ESC is actually three separate systems.
> >
> > 1. ABS. This activates only during braking and modulates the fluid
> > pressure to wheels that are starting to lock up.
> >
> > 2. Traction control. This will modulate the ABS, reduce power through
> > the throttle or by cutting fuel, and in some cases upshift the
> > transmission.
> >
> > 3. Stability control. This will momentarily activate the brake (one
> > pulse) on one wheel to cause the vehicle to rotate more in the desired
> > direction.
> >
>
>

Matt Whiting

hyundaitech wrote:
> ESC is actually three separate systems.
>
> 1. ABS. This activates only during braking and modulates the fluid
> pressure to wheels that are starting to lock up.
>
> 2. Traction control. This will modulate the ABS, reduce power through
> the throttle or by cutting fuel, and in some cases upshift the
> transmission.
>
> 3. Stability control. This will momentarily activate the brake (one
> pulse) on one wheel to cause the vehicle to rotate more in the desired
> direction.
>

Are you saying that turning off ESC also disables the ABS? I find that
hard to believe.

Matt

mbleisch@gmail.com

Mike Marlow is somewhat incorrect - you CAN add ESC to a car already
with ABS for an additional $110, I am sure this is manufacturer
dependent (e.g. check with your dealer). This past Sunday evening
(4/8/07), 60 Minutes had a segment on ESC and the difference with and
without this feature. Groups (which groups I do not remember) are
pushing to have ALL vehicles to have this feature by 2012. 60 Minutes
did not go into whether or not that $110 was parts only, or parts and
labor. Fantine - I would do some research. I am somewhat suprised
that your 07 Elantra doesn't have ESC equipped, I thought it was
standard for ALL Hyundai models these days.