anthonya

Not all cops are ******** - only 97.256% are....

The mods should keep on top of this - and ban anyone and everyone that comes on here to talk and cause trouble.

Arpus Obrut

First of all, thanks a lot to all those who are trying to help. Im really depressed right now, and every informative reply helps!

Is there a way to ask for disclosure or negotiate with the prosecutor BEFORE the trial? The reason im wondering is that if we could agree on 49 over, i'd take it. If not, then i would get a lawyer, but if i cant negotiate with him before the trial, i wouldnt know if i should get a lawyer or not. Would be pretty stupid for me to get a lawyer, drag him to court just for him to watch me agree with the prosecutor on the 49 over settlement.

Im NOT whining, im asking for help. The only part where i feel that i should whine, is where the ***** cop ADDED some speed to the ticket instead of reducing it like most cops would, even though i had a PERFECTLY clean record (not even a single parking ticket), G licence, zero accidents, and i was also very polite with him.
Btw, the speedo on my car goes to 300km/h, and it handles better at higher speeds than most cars on the road handle on the parking lot.

In fact, speeding is the only traffic violation that i ever committed. And when i do speed, i never do it on small streets, parking lots, school areas, etc - anywhere where you "cant" speed.

I heard that you dont have to be very bright to become a police officer, is this true? Read what i wrote above, and since you're into calling people idiots for something that 99 % of people here do/did (including you), why dont you compare yourself to me? Im a university student, studying to be a mechanical engineer, what about you?

I agree with you 100%.
Cops sit on their asses all month long, eating free doughnuts, and then at the end of the month when their superiors start bitching at them for not doing , they go out and hand out 100's of tickets in the last few days of every month.
Speeding is the smallest of the problems in this country. Very few accidents happen because of speeding. Germany has fewer accidents on the autobans than Canada on the 400series highways.

To all those bitching at me for speeding, go to a highway and look at the cars there. Barely anyone is doing less than 120, and every minute i see people going WAY faster. I dont usually drive 140, but it was 1 AM, barely any cars on the road, i was tired and my friend wasnt feeling well (thats why i was driving his car), and i just wanted both of us to get home as soon as possible.

Thanks again to everyone

GinoLicious

You all talk like you never speed on teh highway.. What do you guys do? 100 in the damn slow lane? Who doesnt speed on the highway, not to sound like a moron, but *** man, its difficult not to. I look up from my speedo for a second and im already doing 140, its difficult not to speed.

mazdubber

Not to step on your toes, but the reason Germany has fewer accidents on the autobahns compared to our 400 series highways has everything to do with their driver training and licensing. I guarantee that half of the members on this board would fail the German license exams at least 5 times. Our licensing system is a joke. Most licensed drivers in this country have no idea what the physical limits of their car are. Go ahead and ask the next person you talk to what the speed rating is on their tires. I bet you'll get a blank stare. Because of that, speed definitely kills. The autobahns are much better maintained as well. There is also the TUV inspections. All vehicles have to be inspected at certain intervals and must pass to be able to drive out of the inspection station. All modifications must be TUV approved. So there isn't any rolling junk on the road. Germany (and most of Europe really) has it right when it comes to the way drivers and vehicles are allowed on the roads.

I'm not saying that speeding is all bad though. I speed all the time. I just realize it has to be controlled and enforced because of how flawed our system is in how drivers and vehicles are allowed on the road.

Sorry for the rant. Fight that ticket with whatever you've got. You really don't want a careless charge.

IntrepidGuy

Just go to POINTS court. They should be able to help you out. Small fee but if they dont win you dont pay! and they always win!

rabbitman

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Exactly. People are courteous, don't tailgate, and are patient. You've got a point on the tire remark. Most of the morons that drive Toyota Corollas, Honda Civics, even 300c's and the new Magnums, on the 400 series, are way beyond the speed rating of their tires. I know my minivan tires are rated to 160, and I don't even get close to that. My VW tires on the other hand are H rated, and I don't even remember what that max speed rating is. But on the highway, I put cruise control in it for a reason. Set it at 115, and RELAX!!! I'll get there when I get there. Everyone knows I have a little guy who's almost 3, and knows that I won't go over 115 period with him in the car. And the VW has an 8 point cage. Any way the point is everyone needs to slow the down on the highways. I'm not saying that I didn't used to speed, and I've even got a ticket from about 5 years ago that proves it. But, and this will be no surprise to the parents out there, no tickets since he was born. And that's how it's gonna stay.
As for gldwngr being a cop, what is anyone surprised? He's probably at work when he's on this site as part of his job. He probably spends most of his time trying to find out where you are racing.

gldwngr

Well, it sure looks like you the supposedly bright university student were easily caught by the supposedly not so bright cop. How do you explain that one, bright boy?

Or maybe you got caught by one of the many many cops who carry their own university degrees these days.

rabbitman

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Last I heard most cops are required to have a Psychology degree.

kazanak

Arpus Obrut,

The yellow paper you were issued at the roadside is a summons for a hearing. It is not a trial, only a hearing.

Save yourself some money and deal with the first part of this on your own. Go to the court office (address will be on the ticket) and request disclosure. This requires the roadside officer and prosecutor to provide all information that may be used against you in a trial. They'll typically have you fill out a form, and mail out the information once it's available.

Attend the hearing on your own. At the hearing you may request that your case be stood down so you can discuss the matter with the prosecutor. If you are able to reach an agreement that is acceptable to both of you, the matter is usually resolved in court that day. If you are unable to reach an agreement, you should plead not guilty and request a trial date.

With your clean driving record, the prosecutor shouldn't have a problem lowering the speed to 49 over, and if you're very lucky it may be reduced further. If he won't budge, take it to trial and go see Pointts or X-Copper to have them represent you.

If you have any questions or aren't clear on anything, PM me. I've been through this personally, and on behalf of friends - don't get too stressed about it. Remember, there are people here willing to help!

kazanak

gldwngr,

Police officers, sworn to uphold the law, speed ALL the time. How many police officers in ANY jurisdiction in Ontario operate their vehicles at or under the posted speed limits as the law requires? Find me one, and I'll find you 100 others that don't.

Just two days ago I was passed by an OPP cruiser on the 401 travelling in excess of 150kph. No lights, no emergency - simply on his way back to the station.

Worse yet, a sunfire is following the cruiser at speed no more than 10 feet from his rear bumper. The driver is obviously also a police officer, as no one else claiming to be sane would drive at that speed directly behind a cruiser. Sure enough, both of them pull in to the station together and stand in the parking lot talking. Neither officer has any excuse. This is not an isolated incident.

gldwngr, when police officers begin to take highway speed limits seriously, come back and talk to us. Until then, take some advice from Thumper (small rabbit in Bambi) - "If you ain't got nothin nice to say, don't say nothin at all".

gldwngr

You were the Sunfire? If not, then how do you know why the cruiser was speeding, or that there was not a legitimate reason for that speeding, even if it was just to get back to the station, assuming you can verify that such was the case and not just a coincidence perhaps due to a cancelled call, etc.?

Police officers in the performance of their duties are exempt from posted speed limits. You can look that up in the HTA.

There is also no requirement to use lights and/or siren when speeding. In fact, response codes for even emergency incidents will often specify a fast but silent approach so as to not alert perps still at the scene.

Police officers speeding in their personal vehicles shouldn't be treated any differently than other drivers. Sure, some may get let off when pulled over, same as any other driver who gets let off, but others do get ticketed same as everyone else who gets ticketed.

ricewagon94

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Some police get let off in their personal vehicles? Try most of them. Dont tell me these union types dont protect their own. Dont even try to pass that one off. Ever since the unions got involved it is no longer serve and protect, it is me me me. The union writes the laws now, not the courts.

gldwngr

And which "union" would that be?

ricewagon94

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And another thing, as of today, 40 people have been murdered this year in the GTA. 40!!! Where is there a "Project Erase" for all the illegal weapons? Huh? Cant answer that one can you!? Dont be preaching police anything until your own back yard is in order cop. Go catch the gangs who are using our backyard as a battlefield. I was a soldier once and I can tell you, these gangs have no honour and would kill anyone for kicks. Street racers are out to have fun in private, no random killings, no "who gives a ". Street racers do not go out to intentionally kill someone. Take out the gangs, THAT IS WHAT WE PAY YOU FOR!!!!!

ricewagon94

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POLICE SERCVICES UNION. Dont play games with me, I know how it goes down. And BTW, be visible when you talk to me. Show some *****.