gldwngr

Really? Please provide the formal business address for this "Police Services Union". I'm sure that many cops would love to know that they are now members of "Police Services Union".

Arpus Obrut

Oh, so now you have to be bright to sit on your *** on the side of the road with a doughnut in your mouth, holding a radar gun? Cop with a university degree? Please.... Cops with university degrees are not into handing out speeding tickets the last i heard... They're usually into solving crimes and catching REAL criminals. If i was a cop with a university degree, i'd get offended if somone asked me to hand out a bunch of speeding tickets after studying at the university for 4 years.
EVERYBODY speeds - doctors, lawyers, whatever.. It doesnt make them idiots for doing that.. It makes them unlucky if they get caught.

Hows this quote for you:
"Deliberately setting the speed limit too low, and then sending out cops to sneak behind motorists is highway robbery disguised as traffic safety enforcement... [in a traffic court] the robber is the plaintiff and the victim is the accused..."

ricewagon94

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http://toronto.cbc.ca/regional/servl..._union20031024

One police union just for you. Read it and go away...

ricewagon94

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http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_0...news/cops.html

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/feb2000/tor-f14.shtml

The real story... LMFAO

gldwngr

I see - you think the 400 series highways should be posted at 150 or 160 kmph, other wise it's highway robbery disguised as traffic safety. Sure thing Mario.

You know, speeding fines on the 400 series highways would be robbery except for the fact that the speed limits are consistent and clearly posted, are comparable to limits generally found across North America, and fines are issued only when a driver through carelessness or deliberate decision decides to disregard those limits even beyond that 10 to 20 kmph "forgiveness" factor in which most speeding occurs in..

You went way beyond that forgiveness factor and way beyond the norm as far as "speeding" goes. Your foot got you that ticket, not some sign that YOU decided was set 50 or 60 kmph too low for your liking.

By the way, that cop wouldn't have been sitting on the side of the road. He would have been driving with the flow of traffic, probably in far right lane, just waiting for the next banzai fool to come flying up the left lane. However he did it, he managed to get behind you and clock you with moving radar. I guess you weren't bright enough to see that vehicle swing in behind you, huh?

gldwngr

There is no such thing as the "Police Services Union". There is a Toronto Police Services Board, but that is effectively the civilian management body to which the Toronto Police Services reports.

Ontario law does not permit police to form unions. Police can only form associations for the purposes of collective bargaining, but those associations do not have the same powers as unions do. The closest thing to a union for Toronto cops is the Toronto Police Association.

The TPS has no power to protect its members against speeding tickets or any other wrongdoing. All they can do is help line up a lawyer for the cop in cases of serious misconduct, and that's it.

Anything other "truths" you's like to share?

Arpus Obrut

Its a known fact that if everyone was doing 100kmh, the highways in GTA wouldnt have the ability to deal with the traffic.
As i said earlier, i wasnt going 50 or 60 over the speed limit, i was going 40-45 over. And some "banzai fool" as you call them, passed me going WAY, WAY faster than me just 10 seconds before i saw the siren in the rear view mirror. Now why didnt the police officer stop him instead? Probably because he didnt feel like catching up to him and he thought that one excessive speeding charge is enough for this time.

kazanak

gldwngr, you may need to read posts over a couple times prior to penning a response. I am not a police officer. The person driving the sunfire IS. I watched the drivers of both vehicles park at the station, and then stand around talking over coffee. If this constitutes "lawful performance of his or her duties as a police officer" in your opinion, then nothing further needs to be said, and the readers of this forum will form opinions accordingly.

The exemption in the HTA is intended to protect officers from prosecution while lawfully engaged in the performance of their duties (ie. catching up with and pulling over a speeding motorist). It is NOT intended to provide blanket exemption from speed regulation while on duty or otherwise.

rabbitman

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The problem with the highways in the GTA is rubberneckers. And people who merge at 70 km/h and go right over to the left lane. I'm just waiting for some one to run into the front of my cube van. If everybody went a reasonable speed, I don't go over 120, usually 115, the highways would be better. Also for you people who have to take pics of the plane crash, or stare at fender benders, GET OUT OF YOUR HOUSES MORE! IF FENDERBENDERS ARE THAT EXCITING YOU NEED TO GET OUT MORE. THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN THE SIMPSONS! Gldwngr, if you want to make a difference here, tell us you're going to ticket people who do 80 on the 400 series. and the people who weave in and out of lanes. and the people who tailgate.( I hate that and they're gonna lose to the bumper on my cube van). The people who do 130 + in the morning are a hazard sure, but not as much as someone who does 130 + at rush hour. Those are the people who kill others with their cars.
I think if everyone did 120 max the highways would be safer and faster than they are now. 110 min in middle lane, and 100 min in right lane.

ricewagon94

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AGREED

rabbitman

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This thread rocks. already five pages.

Arpus Obrut

Exactly!
Just a couple of weeks ago i was waiting on a red light, a cop car gets to the lane near me, popps the siren, goes through the red light, turns the siren off, and 50 meters later pulls into the Tim Hortons (while im still waiting at the red light). I guess a sudden urge for sweets makes them exemptions from the HTA.

Bullet

you're a fool - everyone knows that police are somewhat obliged to offer 'professional courtesy' to fellow police officers and the family of police officers when dealing with HTA offences.

on two seperate occasions I have been with different people who have received this 'professional courtesy'. One was a court official (guard) and the second was the son of a well known police officer.

you are so full of when you say that the pig was probably driving with the flow of traffic in the 'right lane'. in fools book it down the left lane and weave around you when you aren't going their preferred speed.

a funny story about how pigs are as much (or more) of a danger than the average driver - I was stuck in traffic on Black Creek heading towards 400 N. After half-a-in-hour I finally get up to the scene of the accident. An arrogant, ignorant pig rearended a van FULL FORCE. ed up both vehicles. Now tell me Mr. Pig - was it the officer's cautious driving at the speed of surrounding traffic in the right lane that got him into that accident? NO, it was his 'above-the-law' cowboy attitude trying to get past everyone as quickly as possible ... with magically NO LIGHTS ON. And c'mon, you can't try and tell me he was trying to not alert the perps in a fully marked police car in broad daylight on Black Creek.

buddy - you know how crooked 'you're kind' is. YES speeding is wrong, but unless I see flashing lights and hear a siren there is NO excuse for an officer doing it.

you -heads believe you're above the law.

Moosexing

Perhaps you could find an article that is relevant to 2005, these articles are 4 and 5 years old respectively.
Times change and we should too......well at least the gas prices have

If you get stopped on the 400/401 or QEW, you must be really standing out from the crowd.....if you would consider that there probably is a MINIMUM of 100,000 vehicles go by in one day, and the officer works maybe 12hours, so now you have 50,000 vehicles.....and that officer stops maybe 30 vehicles for offences, (in between helping broken down vehicles, accidents, doughnut eating etc..) 50,000 divide by 30 = 0.06% of driver's are stopped by an officer.................

So 0.06% of vehicles are stopped your DRIVING must really have to stand out from the others to be noticed this much......

Even if there is a blitz/speed trap of 30 officers (which I've never seen) ....50,000 divide by 30 is now a big whopping 1.8% ..........so ones DRIVING would still be standing out to be stopped. (still based on ONLY 100,00 vehicles) probably a lot lower percent with more vehicles
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Back to start....go to scheduled appearance on your summons, ask to speak to the prosecutor and resolve same, the prosecutor probably will entertain a plea to a lower speed (49over). You have then saved paying a paralegal (POINTTS etc) and also reduced the offence as well. Reminder that most paralegals consider a win if points or the fine is reduced.

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Another good comment someone made is the lack of driving skill. There is very very very very few drivers who have actually completed a proper intense driving course. The driving schools just teach basics of driving. So there are only a handful of drivers who have the extra training, such as police, ambulance and actual race car drivers from a track. So very few of us have the experience, knowledge or skill to drive the ever constant growing of the auto industry. The vehicles have developed a whole lot, but driver training has not kept up

gldwngr

The per capita murder rate in the GTA is the lowest of all major Canadian urban areas, and also the lowest of all North American cities.

Most murders occur in the home or in the workplace, are not premediated, and involve spouses, relations, or close friends. Most of the rest are gang related, often retaliation killings. There are very few stranger on stranger killings in Toronto other than the gang-on-gang hits.

How should we protect against spontaneous crime in the home or workplace? Shall we station cops inside every home?

Taking out the gangs sounds like an easy solution, but how shall we start? Just what is a gang? Every group of kids hanging out on a street corner? If so, the answer is obvious - arrest and search every kid hanging out on a street corner with otehr kids. Easy, right?

Street racers do not "intentionally go out to intentionally kill someone", so you say, but neither do drunk drivers. Should we lay off on drunk drivers too? People still die either way, whether by drunk driving or street racing. In fact, more people in the GTA die from auto crashes than by murder, so maybe we should move those cops off homicide and into traffic duties.