Brampton soon to become its own country....
03-20-2008, 05:31 PM
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If you want to bring ppl over, then you pay and sponsor them, not Canada. When my relative came for the 3 months, my grandmother paid for her flight, paperwork, food, room, any doctor fees and shots, etc.... not a penny came from Canada even tho it was a possibility. She came over cuz she hasnt seen this part of the family since the 50"s. Her visa was extended a bit longer and we paid her financial requirements (she came from a very poor part of eastern controlled and decimated Europe where even if you had 2 cents to rub together - there wasnt even a loaf of bread to buy and she hasnt been paid in yrs for her work). She was told that she actually qualified for refugee status and could stay, but she went back because being a parasite simply didnt gel with her nature, she was a proud person.
Being a landed immigrant is not a right - its a privilage (or should be).
A law should be passed saying that any and all immigrants comming here are INeligeble of welfare/pension/dissability for a minimum of 8 yrs [or unless they pay into the system some minimal ammount], and no medical for the first 3 yrs. This will hopefully help to weed those out who plan to mooch off the system. Also, you must be sponsored or be able to financially fend for yerself or show up with some cash that is placed in a gov account as security/backup/fall back cash (say several thousand), you cannot come here unless you can prove so - and if ya cant, ya dont get in - if you can no longer support yerself or yer sponsor no longer can support you, you get deported.
You come here cuz its better - not cuz its free (financially speaking).
FOOTNOTE: Welfare was started during the war, it was to help support Canadian families (mothers with kids) who's husbands were away fighting, and it was meant to be discontinued shortly after the war ended. I think welfare should be more like a emergency life loan. If yer in hard times, you can get it, but only for no more than several moths in a row (say 8 months) cuz if you cant get it together by then - yer a fukken waste (accidents and such like immobility exempt), then not allowed to qualify untill after another 8 months have gone by for a total lifetime allowable limit of 4 yrs (not consecutive) AND you owe ALL the money back (perhaps interest free), like how OSAP (or whatever it was) used to be.
Being a landed immigrant is not a right - its a privilage (or should be).
A law should be passed saying that any and all immigrants comming here are INeligeble of welfare/pension/dissability for a minimum of 8 yrs [or unless they pay into the system some minimal ammount], and no medical for the first 3 yrs. This will hopefully help to weed those out who plan to mooch off the system. Also, you must be sponsored or be able to financially fend for yerself or show up with some cash that is placed in a gov account as security/backup/fall back cash (say several thousand), you cannot come here unless you can prove so - and if ya cant, ya dont get in - if you can no longer support yerself or yer sponsor no longer can support you, you get deported.
You come here cuz its better - not cuz its free (financially speaking).
FOOTNOTE: Welfare was started during the war, it was to help support Canadian families (mothers with kids) who's husbands were away fighting, and it was meant to be discontinued shortly after the war ended. I think welfare should be more like a emergency life loan. If yer in hard times, you can get it, but only for no more than several moths in a row (say 8 months) cuz if you cant get it together by then - yer a fukken waste (accidents and such like immobility exempt), then not allowed to qualify untill after another 8 months have gone by for a total lifetime allowable limit of 4 yrs (not consecutive) AND you owe ALL the money back (perhaps interest free), like how OSAP (or whatever it was) used to be.
03-21-2008, 03:29 PM
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Kuztom Freak covered many of my views in his well thought out post . Here are a few other points i would like to make
Immigrants over all have a net cost to the economy for the first generation they dont add to the economy .
We have over 50,000 immigrants/refugees that entered the country and just disappeared never showing up at their hearings , they have never filed taxes nothing . The kicker is no one is even looking for these *** holes . How about we take a few of the people that are rubber stamping applications now and have them look for these people who have already broke 1 Canadian law and are likely breaking others .
The Family Reunifacation Act AKA The Bring in People who Dont Qualify Act is costing us a load of money . Gurpreets Mom who has been washing her hands and wiping her *** with the same rag for twenty years more then likely has some serious health issues that will likely cost us 100s of thousands of dollars , she will however be eligbile for the pension once she is naturalized .
Canadian immigration has targeted certain countries for years India , China , Jamaica to name a few . How about we diversify a little bit and bring in some Polish , Irish , Bulgarians etc . Bringing in millions of one group causes its own problems and discourages people from mixing in . They may also want to re evaluate bringing in single moms from Jamaica , that whole Jane and Finch thing does not seem to be working out too well .
Just sayin
Immigrants over all have a net cost to the economy for the first generation they dont add to the economy .
We have over 50,000 immigrants/refugees that entered the country and just disappeared never showing up at their hearings , they have never filed taxes nothing . The kicker is no one is even looking for these *** holes . How about we take a few of the people that are rubber stamping applications now and have them look for these people who have already broke 1 Canadian law and are likely breaking others .
The Family Reunifacation Act AKA The Bring in People who Dont Qualify Act is costing us a load of money . Gurpreets Mom who has been washing her hands and wiping her *** with the same rag for twenty years more then likely has some serious health issues that will likely cost us 100s of thousands of dollars , she will however be eligbile for the pension once she is naturalized .
Canadian immigration has targeted certain countries for years India , China , Jamaica to name a few . How about we diversify a little bit and bring in some Polish , Irish , Bulgarians etc . Bringing in millions of one group causes its own problems and discourages people from mixing in . They may also want to re evaluate bringing in single moms from Jamaica , that whole Jane and Finch thing does not seem to be working out too well .
Just sayin
03-21-2008, 11:52 PM
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Every race thinks their race is more superior than the rest of the world - but live this belief secretly - so they dont appear racist.
**** 'EM! I'm racist towards my own nationality....shoot me.
03-22-2008, 04:06 AM
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My parents moved here in 72. they earned everything they own and not once tried to milk the system. they got their citizenship the good old fashion way. it makes me sick to see what ppl are pulling in this day and age. ppl just get here and they're already looking for ways to get around the system. there's couples that come canada to "visit family" and they end up having a baby on canadian soil. that baby is a canadian, so guess what; the parents practically get citizenship hand to them.
another way to get around it is to pay someone (canadian Citizen) to go over to another country to marry some there only to bring them back and stay married for however long nessessary untill the spouce recieves their citizenship. once that happens, it's divorce time. i've been offered this oppertunity twice already from the bitches at my work. they each offered me 20K. both times i said no and gave them the 2 reasons behind my decision. 1. the going rate is 30k+, i'm not stupid. 2. let them get thier citizenship the old fashoned way like my parents did. waited like everyone else. the sad thing is that half of these ppl won't even learn the language because they'll move into an area and only associate with their own kind, only work with ppl that speak the same language, have a kid that will become thier translator, only shop at store run by their own ppl....etc etc. all these ppl do is segragate because of their ignorance, when this country is supposed to be a melting pot of different races, cultures and creeds that are supposed to abide by the laws of this country.
don't wanna wear a helmet? too fukin bad. wanna carry a sword? too fukin bad. don't like the christmas tree? too fukin bad. religous holiday and want holiday pay? if it's not a holiday here, too fukin bad.
another way to get around it is to pay someone (canadian Citizen) to go over to another country to marry some there only to bring them back and stay married for however long nessessary untill the spouce recieves their citizenship. once that happens, it's divorce time. i've been offered this oppertunity twice already from the bitches at my work. they each offered me 20K. both times i said no and gave them the 2 reasons behind my decision. 1. the going rate is 30k+, i'm not stupid. 2. let them get thier citizenship the old fashoned way like my parents did. waited like everyone else. the sad thing is that half of these ppl won't even learn the language because they'll move into an area and only associate with their own kind, only work with ppl that speak the same language, have a kid that will become thier translator, only shop at store run by their own ppl....etc etc. all these ppl do is segragate because of their ignorance, when this country is supposed to be a melting pot of different races, cultures and creeds that are supposed to abide by the laws of this country.
don't wanna wear a helmet? too fukin bad. wanna carry a sword? too fukin bad. don't like the christmas tree? too fukin bad. religous holiday and want holiday pay? if it's not a holiday here, too fukin bad.
03-22-2008, 03:22 PM
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Rep Power: 673 the sad thing is that half of these ppl won't even learn the language because they'll move into an area and only associate with their own kind, only work with ppl that speak the same language, have a kid that will become thier translator, only shop at store run by their own ppl....etc etc. all these ppl do is segragate because of their ignorance, when this country is supposed to be a melting pot of different races, cultures and creeds that are supposed to abide by the laws of this country.
maybe I should start crying racism in the middle of their store. not like anyone would understand me anyways.
04-29-2008, 08:09 AM
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face it guys , there is no canada , there is no canadians .
canada was established so that the Brittish empire could send over their homeless and unfortunates ( prostitutes ) . Those homeless and prostitutes crossed with the natives , who didn't really have a society of their own , only tribes half a step higher than an animal society , maybe even not as sophisticated as an ant or bee society ( i you not insect societies are fascinating ) .
So to those , in the 20th and 21th century, imigrants for war or poverty struck countries followed making up probably 70% of canadian population.
I would understand this post if canadians would be able to tell stories of how their nation evolved in the past 2000 years , but fact of the matter is ... 2000 years ago there was no canada. it was only when the european civilizations brought civilization and technology to this continent, that canada came to be, and those guys that made it be ... are imigrants themselves .
oh yea and one last thing . middle eastern people such as indians , pakistani and bangladesh people make good , reliable and lawfull workhorses .
they seem to have a psyche that allows them to easily comply with laws , and work for little money ( since they came from very poor coutrny ) . with this said, taking in consideration their severely large numbers both in their countries and in canada, it's not easy to deduct that , whichever party makes theese guys happy and let's them imigrate to canada , will have their support over time.
So this is the game liberals play. If i'm from an eastern european family and i'm an only child and have one cousin in romania , a regular indian has like 500 cousins and they are all in canada . Meanwhile my vote counts as one and his vote counts as one . but we're 3 , and they are 1500. So ... soon Canada will be their country and they will make the laws for you . Face it, other people are becoming minorities in canada, and it's all a political game.
For a romanian to imigrate to canada , you have to give up your right to wellfare , and speak at least english fluently , also you should have a profession that is needed in canada .
For an indian to imigrate to canada ... they need nothing , just money for the plane , they come here speaking no enlish , they have no real profession , and it's a lot easyer for them to bring their family over.
it is all a political game ... which insect makes the better slave for the north american upper society .
as a refference please see : http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ if you havn't yet
canada was established so that the Brittish empire could send over their homeless and unfortunates ( prostitutes ) . Those homeless and prostitutes crossed with the natives , who didn't really have a society of their own , only tribes half a step higher than an animal society , maybe even not as sophisticated as an ant or bee society ( i you not insect societies are fascinating ) .
So to those , in the 20th and 21th century, imigrants for war or poverty struck countries followed making up probably 70% of canadian population.
I would understand this post if canadians would be able to tell stories of how their nation evolved in the past 2000 years , but fact of the matter is ... 2000 years ago there was no canada. it was only when the european civilizations brought civilization and technology to this continent, that canada came to be, and those guys that made it be ... are imigrants themselves .
oh yea and one last thing . middle eastern people such as indians , pakistani and bangladesh people make good , reliable and lawfull workhorses .
they seem to have a psyche that allows them to easily comply with laws , and work for little money ( since they came from very poor coutrny ) . with this said, taking in consideration their severely large numbers both in their countries and in canada, it's not easy to deduct that , whichever party makes theese guys happy and let's them imigrate to canada , will have their support over time.
So this is the game liberals play. If i'm from an eastern european family and i'm an only child and have one cousin in romania , a regular indian has like 500 cousins and they are all in canada . Meanwhile my vote counts as one and his vote counts as one . but we're 3 , and they are 1500. So ... soon Canada will be their country and they will make the laws for you . Face it, other people are becoming minorities in canada, and it's all a political game.
For a romanian to imigrate to canada , you have to give up your right to wellfare , and speak at least english fluently , also you should have a profession that is needed in canada .
For an indian to imigrate to canada ... they need nothing , just money for the plane , they come here speaking no enlish , they have no real profession , and it's a lot easyer for them to bring their family over.
it is all a political game ... which insect makes the better slave for the north american upper society .
as a refference please see : http://zeitgeistmovie.com/ if you havn't yet
Last edited by coszmin; 04-29-2008 at 08:19 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
04-29-2008, 06:29 PM
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How about immigrants can't move to Toronto or other major urban centers. Can't move and live in designated areas Chinese people can't go and live in China town. They are segregate themselves and then complain. They end up just sucking from the amazing public services Canadians have and ruin it to the hard working people. Many immigrants come here and never learn a word of English even after living in the country for 45 years. If they come here they gotta accept out culture and some things that were acceptable in their former culture are not in ours. They should know that when they come here they have to support them selves and adapt to our beliefs, laws, and culture.
05-01-2008, 11:57 PM
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i find it kinda sad that back in the day new commers had to bust there *** to get where there at and now all the ppl fresh of the boat are getting everything handed to them with next to no work. its wrong
05-17-2008, 06:54 PM
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Funny you say that (Comment #1) India has the 3rd largest army in the world behind China #1 and USA #2. There army has far superior technology then the Canadian army, but enough of that we can't all be educated. I totally agree with some of the comments made here. My dad immigrated in 1972 from India, my mom stayed at home to look after me and my sisters until I was old enough to goto school. During that time my dad would put in overtime to make ends meet, and get a little savings. After my mom went to work I would goto the babysitters before and after school. They've never claimed welfare or even Unemplyment insurance since they came to Canada. I've got twins of my own, my wife stayed home for 3 years before my mom retired from work and was able to look after the kids for us. Life in general for us middle class people is a constant struggle, everyone knows that. If our parents were able to get by in the 70's and 80's when racism more evident on the streets just like it is now on these forums, then surely today's new immigrants can get by without having there parents shipped in to babysit. Just my 2 cents.
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05-18-2008, 02:08 AM
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WOW, didn't realise that even other nationalties were seeing this too. Alot of these points are valid. The goverment is handing out citizenships like candy lately. I have grown up with some different nationalities and got to learn some different cultures. But some of these people that are coming here should never have been allowed in to Canada. My inlaws migrated here is the 50's. They had to work hard to make it here. They started off in Toronto and slowly moved further north. He bought a piece of land that no one wanted and built his own house with the connections that he made in the construction trade in the '60's. It has gotten to the point now where the white Canadians are starting to become an minority in their own country. Not that I have a real problem with these people, but it seems that we are starting to cater to them and their religions. I know that they don't cater to use when we move to their countries. We have to obey their rules and religions in their country. Why can't they convert to ours? They have already taken out the lords prayer from schools, they have started to limit christmas activities. What else are we going to lose that we have done for generations. Look at all the gas stations, the corner stores and donut shops. Its rare to find any white people running them now. Almost every time you call a goverment office, you get some new Canadian that can barely speak english or understand it. I am not saying these people should get jobs at these offices, but they should be in Canada several years before they get them, not hop off the boat and be in these jobs 6 months later. Just my opinion.
05-18-2008, 02:33 AM
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Even the hospitals and all our health care is suffering from this too , people bringing their sick parents and other relatives to canada for the free health care!!! I used to work at Etobicoke General and its amazing how many patients are Indian !!!!! I'm an immigrant too but I just think things are getting a little too out of hand now.