munch

im not dissin cops at all ...im just stating he argues he is not a cop all the time and his statement there just futher prooved it that he is there are good cops and there are bad cops and every ticket i have gotten i know i diserved live and learn

Beerbaron105

im a cop

fred i will arrest you now
lol

mdv_paseo

i was joking lol easy does it there ... jusssssssssssst chillllll

Low-Low

Cops. Their opinions are warped to begin with. If they weren't warped then they wouldn't be cops. Gun, License to kill, Stop anyone, anywhere, anytime for no reason = Power Trip.

Actually I think they are doing a really REALLY shitty job. My gf had her car stolen last summer from Islington Station. 22 Division is less than 5 metres from there. Cops wouldn't even show up she had to walk there. That's in lazy of them. Remember that kid that was killed on the Danforth last year with bats and , remember how the cops said "We know who you are and we are very close to catching you, come forward now and avoid yourself the embarrassment". Soon as I heard that I knew they had no ing clue who did it and were looking for someone with a guilty conscience to come forward. To this date they have still arrested no one for that murder. I can go on and on about other high and low-profile incidents this past year that cops have ed up or done little or nothing about. They aren't doing a good job at all, in fact I'd rate them as one of the worst Police Dept's of any Major City.

Metro Cops are ******, same with York and Peel Cops. You sit inside a Tim Hortons on Winston Churchill and they will come on and tell you to leave if you have a modified car and then ticket your *** soon as you pull out on the road. That's not law enforcement that's petty cash grab harassment. I'm minding my own ing business with my girlfriend in a Tim Horton's drivethru line at 403-Dundas and Cops walk up to my window and tell me "After you buy your stuff leave the premises immediately", then I get out onto the road and I'm detained for 2 hours while they search every ricers car, and look over mine, only to find my cars perfectly legit, has no problems whatsoever. That's ing ridiculous.

We hate cops for a reason. They go looking for trouble with us, even if we don't race and just enjoy driving nice, legal, modified cars.

Daley

Good points..all true..

Low-Low

Agreed.

I find it ironic that property management doesn't want people lingering, yet they sure as hell love our business. That Timmies at Weston and 7 was a in' cash cow in Summer 2001, Cops didn't bust anyone in there ever. I can't even recall any vandalism or nasty going on in front of those stores there, it was a massive car show from Timmies to Home Depot. Now they have chains up everywhere and on a weekend night the place has 2 cars parked and the drivethru has 4 people. Sell-out your business to get rid of what was a harmless event. Sure you could probably link a few of the cars in the lot with street racing, but all of them? Not a chance.

What I got a problem with is them saying: "Leave" and then you go to leave, but you can only "leave" through one exit and that one exit happens to be guarded by 5 cops with cruisers and soon as you pull out your waved to pull into the Costco lot or Home Depot lot across from the Timmies. Then without trying to be smart you ask "Why am I being stopped" and the answer is "Your car appears modified" as if that is apparently now reasonable cause that your breaking the law or have broken the law. We can probably go on all day debating what reasonable cause is or means. But the way it is supposed to be utilized is that a police officer believes you have broken or are breaking the law. Leaving a plaza in a car with what appears to have rims and lowered (unless obviously too low) with an exhaust that isn't excessively loud, isn't reasonable cause. It's a slap in the face of what the law is meant for.

Furthermore I'm not sure property management wants Cops using Home Depot as a staging ground for a 50 car ticket marathon. Sure if I'm hanging out in the parking lot I suppose they have a right to tell me to leave if I'm not patronizing the business period, but you can't just "linger" for 10 minutes to drink your coffee and talk? It seems to me come 11 PM, you can't "stand, sit or park" anywhere in the GTA. It wasn't like this before, hell when "they" were growing up, fast food and donut places were perfectly o.k. places to "hang out" and "linger". It's not even as if we have the option of a local "community centre" to park and linger as they did back then.

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A car theft is not really what police are concerned with. Crimes such as murder, rape etc etc top their list. And considering IMO police are understaffed and limited in what they can do, i think they tend to do a good job.[/quuote]

22 Division overseas a fairly well-to-do neighbourhood. Kingsway, Humber Valley, North Drive. Biggest problems in our area from 1-5 are 1: Truant kids, 2: Car thefts 3: Truant kids selling drugs to other truant kids 4: The occasional B n E and 5: Truant kids hanging out in front of second cup. When kids skipping school at ECI becomes a priority over car theft, there's something wrong.

I'd honestly like to know what they "do" with all their time in my division, because it sure isn't catching speeders, it's not investigating car thefts and it's not responding to phone calls when thieves are attempting to break into your car. If it's resolving domestic disputes, that's a ing joke.

What bothers me further is that you go try and take your car "elsewhere" i.e. the track and they stake out the hwy waiting for you, thus pushing people back out on the roads. Last summer I headed down to Cayuga knowing full well I was totally legit, saw the police up ahead with a "Ricer" check-stop, pulled a U and headed back to Toronto. It's just not worth the 20 minutes of harassment.

I wish they'd set something up at Downsview. Private race track, $25 to run all night Fridays. They make it work in California and other places, why not here? Doesn't even have to be government run.

B6T

^ If they stop raping our wallets with bullshit tickets, how are they going to pay for those tasers, PACER cars, undercover Escalades, etc etc...

It would be a load of fun to video tape the officers inspecting your so-called illegally modified car. I wonder how they would react...

vwracer2004

A track at downsview would be crazy :thumbsup

skillton

Fred, the Motorsports Insurance was at just over 3600 people 5 days ago, probably 4000 by now.

RR-942

I agree with you! You have a lot of good points.

Supra90T

For those of you talking about Solo insurance...It's a no-go for most of us, and you too fred...

In short, your car has to have all BRAND NAME things. IE my turbo setup wouldn't be accepted. It's not a full bolt-on greddy or hks kit and it wasn't installed by a shop. Just the fact that I installed it myself is enough for them to deny me coverage. If I recall, You can have a full brand name turbo kit...but if you have home-made oil lines or something to that effect...denied coverage. If your brakes aren't real brembos and again, installed by a shop....denied coverage

On to the next step...There is a seperate insurance policy they have for people like this, but it is NOT included in the group rate. From what I understand, this option will cost a LOT more than normal since your car is all of a sudden "high risk". Ironic thing is, most shops out there don't even know how to install half this properly..


Oh and about cops...For those of you saying the police blah blah...Any idea what the hell you're talking about? There are some bad cops...but the majority of them are just doing their job like any of us would. If I was a cop and caught someone speeding in a school zone, I'd give them a ticket...their fault, not mine. Most cops don't make a big deal out of exhausts and the such...I get hassled alot but usually get off with a warning

..77.

2Tone , if you read it carefully , the lettering on the side of police cars says ..To serve and protect... then in real small print it says .." the parking lots of tim hortons everywhere"..77.

B6T

As far as I'm concerned, and I know some of you are going to disagree with me on this one... if I take my car to get inspected and the technician writes me a safety standsards certificate, then I should be eligable for insurance regardless of the amount of aftermarket parts on my car.

Who agrees?

yourmama

Nope. The safety check is just a check of the most basic safety-related components, as of a specific moment on a specific day. It says nothing about all those components act in concert with each other.

Your insurance is based on a historically-based risk profile of a car, as based on the statistical claims history of that model of car, as equipped from the factory. The industry knows from experience that Mustangs for example tend to crash more often, and harder, and with more expense in medical and death benefits, than a typical Caprice because Mustangs tend to attract different types of drivers than Caprices.

Your insurance rates are also based not only on your car model, but also on the trim and engine choice in your car. Higher-powered versions of the same car model almost always have significantly higher premiums than cars with the smaller choice of engine. Check out the comparative rates for a base Mustang vs the GT version vs the SVT Cobra version.

As soon as you start modding your car, you change the risk profile to an unknown quantity. If you raise the power levels, you change the risk profile. If you change the handling, you change the risk profile. If you change other parts of the car, you change the risk profile. Statistically, modified cars tend to have a higher rate of crashes, in part because the people driving the cars are not the same type of driver as is usually found in a Caprice.

On top of that, you have no way of certifying that your car meets acceptable design specs for handling, durability, structural integrity, etc as a result of your modifications. You have no way to certify that your selection of components is appropriate for the car, or that they are appropriate as per the combination of conponents or the way they have been installed.

With extensive mods you car effectively becomes a completely unknown quantity to the insurance company, likely to be driven more aggressively (based on known claims payout histories), and thus likely to be involved in proportionately more crashes than unmodified cars. So yes, who would want to insure a car that will almost inevitably result in large claims?

Insurance companies are still private businesses. They can still pick and choose what they will or will not insure, and there is no right to expect insurance on whatever terms you want. In the end they will agree to insure only those known quantities that they can place with reasonable accuracy in their risk categories. Anything else is an unknown that they just don't want to risk dealing with.

The blame for this doesn't lie with insurance companies. It lays on the shoulders of those drivers who came before you, who burned the insurance companies in past, and whose payout histories provided the statistical base of experience on which insurance companies make all of their decisions.