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Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
news:Xns965C79FEC89CDjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84: > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in > news:Xns965C4C074CEE1tegger@207.14.113.17: >> >> One workaround that is apparently common in Britain, which also has >> very high auto break-in rates, is simply to leave the doors UNLOCKED, >> and ALL valuables removed. >> >> The crooks can enter without causing damage, look around, and >> hopefully leave emptyhanded. >> >> > > Of course,they might be after PARTS of your car itself,like the ECU;a > part of your car that is very valuable,and absolutely necessary to > operate your car.It will NOT run without it. > And that approach would not have helped my sister either, as they were after her airbags. But then again, they got them anyway, even with the doors locked. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in
news:Xns965C79FEC89CDjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84: > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in > news:Xns965C4C074CEE1tegger@207.14.113.17: >> >> One workaround that is apparently common in Britain, which also has >> very high auto break-in rates, is simply to leave the doors UNLOCKED, >> and ALL valuables removed. >> >> The crooks can enter without causing damage, look around, and >> hopefully leave emptyhanded. >> >> > > Of course,they might be after PARTS of your car itself,like the ECU;a > part of your car that is very valuable,and absolutely necessary to > operate your car.It will NOT run without it. > And that approach would not have helped my sister either, as they were after her airbags. But then again, they got them anyway, even with the doors locked. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns965C9095E654Ftegger@207.14.113.17: > Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in > news:Xns965C79FEC89CDjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84: > >> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in >> news:Xns965C4C074CEE1tegger@207.14.113.17: > >>> >>> One workaround that is apparently common in Britain, which also has >>> very high auto break-in rates, is simply to leave the doors UNLOCKED, >>> and ALL valuables removed. >>> >>> The crooks can enter without causing damage, look around, and >>> hopefully leave emptyhanded. >>> >>> >> >> Of course,they might be after PARTS of your car itself,like the ECU;a >> part of your car that is very valuable,and absolutely necessary to >> operate your car.It will NOT run without it. >> > > > And that approach would not have helped my sister either, as they were > after her airbags. But then again, they got them anyway, even with the > doors locked. > At least the car can be driven without airbags. It cannot when your ECU is gone.(or your VTEC motor;note the "B" motors are no longer available.) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns965C9095E654Ftegger@207.14.113.17: > Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in > news:Xns965C79FEC89CDjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.84: > >> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in >> news:Xns965C4C074CEE1tegger@207.14.113.17: > >>> >>> One workaround that is apparently common in Britain, which also has >>> very high auto break-in rates, is simply to leave the doors UNLOCKED, >>> and ALL valuables removed. >>> >>> The crooks can enter without causing damage, look around, and >>> hopefully leave emptyhanded. >>> >>> >> >> Of course,they might be after PARTS of your car itself,like the ECU;a >> part of your car that is very valuable,and absolutely necessary to >> operate your car.It will NOT run without it. >> > > > And that approach would not have helped my sister either, as they were > after her airbags. But then again, they got them anyway, even with the > doors locked. > At least the car can be driven without airbags. It cannot when your ECU is gone.(or your VTEC motor;note the "B" motors are no longer available.) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:51:44 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: >"WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in message >news:AHcje.4748$uR4.1456@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net... >>I do not know if they used a slim jim. I do know that the pressed the >>window down almost an inch, and caused damage to the rubber weathering >>strips that seal the top section of the glass to the door's frame. >> > >That sounds like the way the road service guy opened my son's '89 Accord LXi >when he locked the keys in it. No go with the slim jim - there was just >nothing to grab that would move the direction he needed to go to unlock the >door. He next tried to push the driver's window down, but just couldn't get >the gap he needed without damaging something. Then he got a pair of padded >pry bars and a pair of padded wooden wedges out and worked at making a gap >between the door and the body at the top rear corner of the driver's door. >About 5 minutes of that opened a gap he could get a stiff wire in and flip >the lock lever. That guy earned his $35, I'll tell you! > >(Probably all cars can be opened that way, I'm guessing.) I had an 89 MG metro broken into that way. Went to the pub one night, left it there 9obviously) came back the next morning, drove to uni, when i got there, and was looking for somewhere to park, i thought the road noise was louder than suual. the passenger door (owhich would be the drivers door on a UK car0 had been pulled back in that way, it was about 3-4 inches away from the frame at the top. Never did get it bent all the way back in again. Ended up getting a new door from another car, and swapping the lock over. > >Mike > |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:51:44 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
<michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: >"WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in message >news:AHcje.4748$uR4.1456@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net... >>I do not know if they used a slim jim. I do know that the pressed the >>window down almost an inch, and caused damage to the rubber weathering >>strips that seal the top section of the glass to the door's frame. >> > >That sounds like the way the road service guy opened my son's '89 Accord LXi >when he locked the keys in it. No go with the slim jim - there was just >nothing to grab that would move the direction he needed to go to unlock the >door. He next tried to push the driver's window down, but just couldn't get >the gap he needed without damaging something. Then he got a pair of padded >pry bars and a pair of padded wooden wedges out and worked at making a gap >between the door and the body at the top rear corner of the driver's door. >About 5 minutes of that opened a gap he could get a stiff wire in and flip >the lock lever. That guy earned his $35, I'll tell you! > >(Probably all cars can be opened that way, I'm guessing.) I had an 89 MG metro broken into that way. Went to the pub one night, left it there 9obviously) came back the next morning, drove to uni, when i got there, and was looking for somewhere to park, i thought the road noise was louder than suual. the passenger door (owhich would be the drivers door on a UK car0 had been pulled back in that way, it was about 3-4 inches away from the frame at the top. Never did get it bent all the way back in again. Ended up getting a new door from another car, and swapping the lock over. > >Mike > |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
On 20 May 2005 11:28:31 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>"WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in >news:Obcje.7533$w21.6398@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net: > >> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car >> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the last >> three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to attract >> thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight security. The >> break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars broken into on these >> nights were Hondas that cover the whole of the complex. In all three >> instances the police told me that Hondas are easily broken into due to >> an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. >> >> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? >> >> Thanks for any help you can offer. > > > >One workaround that is apparently common in Britain, which also has very >high auto break-in rates, is simply to leave the doors UNLOCKED, and ALL >valuables removed. > >The crooks can enter without causing damage, look around, and hopefully >leave emptyhanded. hopefully not IN you car.... Used to leave mine locked all the time in the UK. Even more than a few times, i'd locked myself out of the car, wait for it (its funny) with the engine running. I'd have blocked the exhaust to stop it too, but i'd stopped to lift the bonnet, because the exhaust had just come off the manifold...lost nearly a full tank of petrol, and 4 plugs. |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
On 20 May 2005 11:28:31 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>"WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in >news:Obcje.7533$w21.6398@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net: > >> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car >> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the last >> three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to attract >> thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight security. The >> break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars broken into on these >> nights were Hondas that cover the whole of the complex. In all three >> instances the police told me that Hondas are easily broken into due to >> an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. >> >> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? >> >> Thanks for any help you can offer. > > > >One workaround that is apparently common in Britain, which also has very >high auto break-in rates, is simply to leave the doors UNLOCKED, and ALL >valuables removed. > >The crooks can enter without causing damage, look around, and hopefully >leave emptyhanded. hopefully not IN you car.... Used to leave mine locked all the time in the UK. Even more than a few times, i'd locked myself out of the car, wait for it (its funny) with the engine running. I'd have blocked the exhaust to stop it too, but i'd stopped to lift the bonnet, because the exhaust had just come off the manifold...lost nearly a full tank of petrol, and 4 plugs. |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
K`Tetch <no.email@here.for.you> wrote in
news:190t819dbe4as41veafm072va8f4gemt9u@4ax.com: > > Used to leave mine locked all the time in the UK. Even more than a few > times, i'd locked myself out of the car, wait for it (its funny) with > the engine running. I did that once too! The car ran for almost two hours before the tow truck driver arrived and popped the door open (I was in the middle of nowhere). I later solved that by disconnecting my "key in" warning beep. Now that there's nothing to save me, I have not locked myself out again in 13 years. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
K`Tetch <no.email@here.for.you> wrote in
news:190t819dbe4as41veafm072va8f4gemt9u@4ax.com: > > Used to leave mine locked all the time in the UK. Even more than a few > times, i'd locked myself out of the car, wait for it (its funny) with > the engine running. I did that once too! The car ran for almost two hours before the tow truck driver arrived and popped the door open (I was in the middle of nowhere). I later solved that by disconnecting my "key in" warning beep. Now that there's nothing to save me, I have not locked myself out again in 13 years. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns965CC906FA3EFjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86.. . > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in > news:Xns965C9095E654Ftegger@207.14.113.17: >> And that approach would not have helped my sister either, as they were >> after her airbags. But then again, they got them anyway, even with the >> doors locked. >> > > At least the car can be driven without airbags. > It cannot when your ECU is gone.(or your VTEC motor;note the "B" motors > are > no longer available.) > > -- Although an ECU can be had for as little as $75 for most models at a wrecking yard; air bags are a bigger headache. The legality and acceptability of used air bags is marginal at best, so they are popular black market items. http://www.asashop.org/news/march99/nace.htm Mike |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message
news:Xns965CC906FA3EFjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86.. . > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in > news:Xns965C9095E654Ftegger@207.14.113.17: >> And that approach would not have helped my sister either, as they were >> after her airbags. But then again, they got them anyway, even with the >> doors locked. >> > > At least the car can be driven without airbags. > It cannot when your ECU is gone.(or your VTEC motor;note the "B" motors > are > no longer available.) > > -- Although an ECU can be had for as little as $75 for most models at a wrecking yard; air bags are a bigger headache. The legality and acceptability of used air bags is marginal at best, so they are popular black market items. http://www.asashop.org/news/march99/nace.htm Mike |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
On 21 May 2005 00:42:48 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>K`Tetch <no.email@here.for.you> wrote in >news:190t819dbe4as41veafm072va8f4gemt9u@4ax.com : > > >> >> Used to leave mine locked all the time in the UK. Even more than a few >> times, i'd locked myself out of the car, wait for it (its funny) with >> the engine running. > > >I did that once too! The car ran for almost two hours before the tow truck >driver arrived and popped the door open (I was in the middle of nowhere). > >I later solved that by disconnecting my "key in" warning beep. Now that >there's nothing to save me, I have not locked myself out again in 13 years. I didn't have such a beep. Its not a problem for me any more though, where i live now, i don't bother to lock the car anyway (Wifes unclue doesn't even lock his front door, and he was a cop here for 15 years). Radio station lists all the arrests and charges here every morning, typically about 8 things listed, mainly speeding, or 'theft by taking' |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
On 21 May 2005 00:42:48 GMT, "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>K`Tetch <no.email@here.for.you> wrote in >news:190t819dbe4as41veafm072va8f4gemt9u@4ax.com : > > >> >> Used to leave mine locked all the time in the UK. Even more than a few >> times, i'd locked myself out of the car, wait for it (its funny) with >> the engine running. > > >I did that once too! The car ran for almost two hours before the tow truck >driver arrived and popped the door open (I was in the middle of nowhere). > >I later solved that by disconnecting my "key in" warning beep. Now that >there's nothing to save me, I have not locked myself out again in 13 years. I didn't have such a beep. Its not a problem for me any more though, where i live now, i don't bother to lock the car anyway (Wifes unclue doesn't even lock his front door, and he was a cop here for 15 years). Radio station lists all the arrests and charges here every morning, typically about 8 things listed, mainly speeding, or 'theft by taking' |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
WooHoo2You wrote:
> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car broken in > to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the last three days.) I > live in a apartment complex nice enough to attract thieves, however not nice > enough to have overnight security. The break-ins were done in large waves. > All the cars broken into on these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of > the complex. In all three instances the police told me that Hondas are > easily broken into due to an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. > > Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy to break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance companies most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The 1987-2000 and 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 Accords as #3 (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0520-4, 05/20/2005 Tested on: 5/22/2005 2:59:34 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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