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Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
WooHoo2You wrote:
> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car broken in > to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the last three days.) I > live in a apartment complex nice enough to attract thieves, however not nice > enough to have overnight security. The break-ins were done in large waves. > All the cars broken into on these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of > the complex. In all three instances the police told me that Hondas are > easily broken into due to an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. > > Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy to break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance companies most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The 1987-2000 and 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 Accords as #3 (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0520-4, 05/20/2005 Tested on: 5/22/2005 2:59:34 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2005 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
news:wh7ke.1448848$6l.902686@pd7tw2no: > WooHoo2You wrote: > >> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car >> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the >> last three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to >> attract thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight security. >> The break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars broken into on >> these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of the complex. In all >> three instances the police told me that Hondas are easily broken into >> due to an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. >> >> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? > > Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy to > break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance companies > most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The 1987-2000 and > 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 Accords as #3 > (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). > > http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf What gets me is that after the first time or even the second time,this person did not install any sort of burglar alarm that would go off if a door was opened or window broken to gain access. Granted,they ARE a PITA and an unwanted extra expense,but still of some use in preventing this sort of auto burglary. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
news:wh7ke.1448848$6l.902686@pd7tw2no: > WooHoo2You wrote: > >> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car >> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the >> last three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to >> attract thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight security. >> The break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars broken into on >> these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of the complex. In all >> three instances the police told me that Hondas are easily broken into >> due to an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. >> >> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? > > Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy to > break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance companies > most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The 1987-2000 and > 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 Accords as #3 > (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). > > http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf What gets me is that after the first time or even the second time,this person did not install any sort of burglar alarm that would go off if a door was opened or window broken to gain access. Granted,they ARE a PITA and an unwanted extra expense,but still of some use in preventing this sort of auto burglary. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
In article <Xns965EBD36AE2C4jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in > news:wh7ke.1448848$6l.902686@pd7tw2no: > > > WooHoo2You wrote: > > > >> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car > >> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the > >> last three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to > >> attract thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight security. > >> The break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars broken into on > >> these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of the complex. In all > >> three instances the police told me that Hondas are easily broken into > >> due to an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. > >> > >> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? > > > > Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy to > > break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance companies > > most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The 1987-2000 and > > 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 Accords as #3 > > (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). > > > > http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf > > > > What gets me is that after the first time or even the second time,this > person did not install any sort of burglar alarm that would go off if a > door was opened or window broken to gain access. > > Granted,they ARE a PITA and an unwanted extra expense,but still of some use > in preventing this sort of auto burglary. Hello, Honda has made an effort to fix these problems in their newer vehicles. I have a 1999 Accord EX. It has a special radio that won't work if it's removed from the vehicle. It has a security alarm system. It also came with a special key that has a computer chip under the plastic. The car won't start unless the special key is used. I don't know whether it's possible to "hot wire" the car. It's far superior to older Honda Accords that did not have hardly any security special equipment. Jason -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
In article <Xns965EBD36AE2C4jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in > news:wh7ke.1448848$6l.902686@pd7tw2no: > > > WooHoo2You wrote: > > > >> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car > >> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the > >> last three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to > >> attract thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight security. > >> The break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars broken into on > >> these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of the complex. In all > >> three instances the police told me that Hondas are easily broken into > >> due to an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. > >> > >> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? > > > > Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy to > > break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance companies > > most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The 1987-2000 and > > 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 Accords as #3 > > (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). > > > > http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf > > > > What gets me is that after the first time or even the second time,this > person did not install any sort of burglar alarm that would go off if a > door was opened or window broken to gain access. > > Granted,they ARE a PITA and an unwanted extra expense,but still of some use > in preventing this sort of auto burglary. Hello, Honda has made an effort to fix these problems in their newer vehicles. I have a 1999 Accord EX. It has a special radio that won't work if it's removed from the vehicle. It has a security alarm system. It also came with a special key that has a computer chip under the plastic. The car won't start unless the special key is used. I don't know whether it's possible to "hot wire" the car. It's far superior to older Honda Accords that did not have hardly any security special equipment. Jason -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
I live in a large apartment complex, and my unit is on the back side of the
building from where all of the parking is. Therefore I have no hope of hearing my alarm, also none of the other tenants would even turn an ear to a car alarm. My Civic is a 96 with some body damage, spending 200 dollars (plus install) on a good alarm system seems like a questionable investment on a car I may own for less then a year. WooHoo2You "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message news:Xns965EBD36AE2C4jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85.. . > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in > news:wh7ke.1448848$6l.902686@pd7tw2no: > >> WooHoo2You wrote: >> >>> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car >>> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the >>> last three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to >>> attract thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight security. >>> The break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars broken into on >>> these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of the complex. In all >>> three instances the police told me that Hondas are easily broken into >>> due to an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. >>> >>> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? >> >> Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy to >> break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance companies >> most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The 1987-2000 and >> 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 Accords as #3 >> (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). >> >> http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf > > > > What gets me is that after the first time or even the second time,this > person did not install any sort of burglar alarm that would go off if a > door was opened or window broken to gain access. > > Granted,they ARE a PITA and an unwanted extra expense,but still of some > use > in preventing this sort of auto burglary. > > -- > Jim Yanik > jyanik > at > kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
I live in a large apartment complex, and my unit is on the back side of the
building from where all of the parking is. Therefore I have no hope of hearing my alarm, also none of the other tenants would even turn an ear to a car alarm. My Civic is a 96 with some body damage, spending 200 dollars (plus install) on a good alarm system seems like a questionable investment on a car I may own for less then a year. WooHoo2You "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message news:Xns965EBD36AE2C4jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85.. . > Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in > news:wh7ke.1448848$6l.902686@pd7tw2no: > >> WooHoo2You wrote: >> >>> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car >>> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the >>> last three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to >>> attract thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight security. >>> The break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars broken into on >>> these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of the complex. In all >>> three instances the police told me that Hondas are easily broken into >>> due to an "exploit" in the windows/door locks. >>> >>> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? >> >> Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy to >> break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance companies >> most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The 1987-2000 and >> 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 Accords as #3 >> (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). >> >> http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf > > > > What gets me is that after the first time or even the second time,this > person did not install any sort of burglar alarm that would go off if a > door was opened or window broken to gain access. > > Granted,they ARE a PITA and an unwanted extra expense,but still of some > use > in preventing this sort of auto burglary. > > -- > Jim Yanik > jyanik > at > kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:jason-2205051619370001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net: > In article <Xns965EBD36AE2C4jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85>, Jim Yanik ><jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: > >> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in >> news:wh7ke.1448848$6l.902686@pd7tw2no: >> >> > WooHoo2You wrote: >> > >> >> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car >> >> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the >> >> last three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to >> >> attract thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight >> >> security. The break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars >> >> broken into on these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of >> >> the complex. In all three instances the police told me that >> >> Hondas are easily broken into due to an "exploit" in the >> >> windows/door locks. >> >> >> >> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? >> > >> > Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy >> > to break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance >> > companies most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The >> > 1987-2000 and 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 >> > Accords as #3 (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). >> > >> > http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf >> >> >> >> What gets me is that after the first time or even the second >> time,this person did not install any sort of burglar alarm that would >> go off if a door was opened or window broken to gain access. >> >> Granted,they ARE a PITA and an unwanted extra expense,but still of >> some use in preventing this sort of auto burglary. > > Hello, > Honda has made an effort to fix these problems in their newer > vehicles. I have a 1999 Accord EX. It has a special radio that won't > work if it's removed from the vehicle. It has a security alarm system. > It also came with a special key that has a computer chip under the > plastic. The car won't start unless the special key is used. I don't > know whether it's possible to "hot wire" the car. It's far superior to > older Honda Accords that did not have hardly any security special > equipment. Jason > That does not stop them from removing other parts like the ECU or airbags,seats,or body trim pieces. The ECU was stolen from my Integra GSR-before I bought an alarm. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:jason-2205051619370001@pm4-broad-44.snlo.dialup.fix.net: > In article <Xns965EBD36AE2C4jyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85>, Jim Yanik ><jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: > >> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in >> news:wh7ke.1448848$6l.902686@pd7tw2no: >> >> > WooHoo2You wrote: >> > >> >> I have a 96 Honda Civic with manual door locks. I have had my car >> >> broken in to three times is the last ten months.(two times in the >> >> last three days.) I live in a apartment complex nice enough to >> >> attract thieves, however not nice enough to have overnight >> >> security. The break-ins were done in large waves. All the cars >> >> broken into on these nights were Hondas that cover the whole of >> >> the complex. In all three instances the police told me that >> >> Hondas are easily broken into due to an "exploit" in the >> >> windows/door locks. >> >> >> >> Is there a manufacture recall or a way to fix this problem? >> > >> > Nothing I've ever heard of... certain Hondas are notoriously easy >> > to break into though, and tend to regularly top most insurance >> > companies most-stolen lists. The Insurance Corp. of BC lists The >> > 1987-2000 and 2002 Civics as their #1 stolen vehicle, and 1986-97 >> > Accords as #3 (behind 91-97, 99 and 2000 Dodge Caravans). >> > >> > http://www.icbc.com/Crime-Fraud/PI213M%20(122004).pdf >> >> >> >> What gets me is that after the first time or even the second >> time,this person did not install any sort of burglar alarm that would >> go off if a door was opened or window broken to gain access. >> >> Granted,they ARE a PITA and an unwanted extra expense,but still of >> some use in preventing this sort of auto burglary. > > Hello, > Honda has made an effort to fix these problems in their newer > vehicles. I have a 1999 Accord EX. It has a special radio that won't > work if it's removed from the vehicle. It has a security alarm system. > It also came with a special key that has a computer chip under the > plastic. The car won't start unless the special key is used. I don't > know whether it's possible to "hot wire" the car. It's far superior to > older Honda Accords that did not have hardly any security special > equipment. Jason > That does not stop them from removing other parts like the ECU or airbags,seats,or body trim pieces. The ECU was stolen from my Integra GSR-before I bought an alarm. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
"WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in
news:tjfke.9056$w21.7701@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net: > I live in a large apartment complex, and my unit is on the back side > of the building from where all of the parking is. Therefore I have no > hope of hearing my alarm, The thieves do not know that. Granted an alarm will not stop professional thieves or really determined amateurs,but they still are a deterrent,something that makes them move on to other,undefended targets. > also none of the other tenants would even > turn an ear to a car alarm. My Civic is a 96 with some body damage, > spending 200 dollars (plus install) on a good alarm system seems like > a questionable investment on a car I may own for less then a year. One has to balance the cost of defense against the value of the item and it's contents. If you discover your ECU or other major component stolen(that may not be available anymore),then you may be getting another car sooner than you think. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
"WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in
news:tjfke.9056$w21.7701@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net: > I live in a large apartment complex, and my unit is on the back side > of the building from where all of the parking is. Therefore I have no > hope of hearing my alarm, The thieves do not know that. Granted an alarm will not stop professional thieves or really determined amateurs,but they still are a deterrent,something that makes them move on to other,undefended targets. > also none of the other tenants would even > turn an ear to a car alarm. My Civic is a 96 with some body damage, > spending 200 dollars (plus install) on a good alarm system seems like > a questionable investment on a car I may own for less then a year. One has to balance the cost of defense against the value of the item and it's contents. If you discover your ECU or other major component stolen(that may not be available anymore),then you may be getting another car sooner than you think. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
In article <Xns965F651B64B7Cjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: > "WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in > news:tjfke.9056$w21.7701@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net: > > > I live in a large apartment complex, and my unit is on the back side > > of the building from where all of the parking is. Therefore I have no > > hope of hearing my alarm, > > The thieves do not know that. > Granted an alarm will not stop professional thieves or really determined > amateurs,but they still are a deterrent,something that makes them move on > to other,undefended targets. > > > > also none of the other tenants would even > > turn an ear to a car alarm. My Civic is a 96 with some body damage, > > spending 200 dollars (plus install) on a good alarm system seems like > > a questionable investment on a car I may own for less then a year. > > One has to balance the cost of defense against the value of the item and > it's contents. If you discover your ECU or other major component > stolen(that may not be available anymore),then you may be getting another > car sooner than you think. Great points. It's my guess that older cars that are less likely to have alarms are broken into more so than newer cars that do have alarms and other security measures built into them. I have stickers on each front window clearly indicating that it has a security system. I purchased the stickers at the Honda dealership. I noticed the same stickers on a new Honda Accord and told the guy at the parts desk to order them for me. I don't know why those same stickers were not on my car when I purchased it. -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
In article <Xns965F651B64B7Cjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: > "WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in > news:tjfke.9056$w21.7701@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net: > > > I live in a large apartment complex, and my unit is on the back side > > of the building from where all of the parking is. Therefore I have no > > hope of hearing my alarm, > > The thieves do not know that. > Granted an alarm will not stop professional thieves or really determined > amateurs,but they still are a deterrent,something that makes them move on > to other,undefended targets. > > > > also none of the other tenants would even > > turn an ear to a car alarm. My Civic is a 96 with some body damage, > > spending 200 dollars (plus install) on a good alarm system seems like > > a questionable investment on a car I may own for less then a year. > > One has to balance the cost of defense against the value of the item and > it's contents. If you discover your ECU or other major component > stolen(that may not be available anymore),then you may be getting another > car sooner than you think. Great points. It's my guess that older cars that are less likely to have alarms are broken into more so than newer cars that do have alarms and other security measures built into them. I have stickers on each front window clearly indicating that it has a security system. I purchased the stickers at the Honda dealership. I noticed the same stickers on a new Honda Accord and told the guy at the parts desk to order them for me. I don't know why those same stickers were not on my car when I purchased it. -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
On Mon, 23 May 2005 09:45:33 -0700, jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>In article <Xns965F651B64B7Cjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85>, Jim Yanik ><jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: > >> "WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in >> news:tjfke.9056$w21.7701@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net: >> >> > I live in a large apartment complex, and my unit is on the back side >> > of the building from where all of the parking is. Therefore I have no >> > hope of hearing my alarm, >> >> The thieves do not know that. >> Granted an alarm will not stop professional thieves or really determined >> amateurs,but they still are a deterrent,something that makes them move on >> to other,undefended targets. >> >> >> > also none of the other tenants would even >> > turn an ear to a car alarm. My Civic is a 96 with some body damage, >> > spending 200 dollars (plus install) on a good alarm system seems like >> > a questionable investment on a car I may own for less then a year. >> >> One has to balance the cost of defense against the value of the item and >> it's contents. If you discover your ECU or other major component >> stolen(that may not be available anymore),then you may be getting another >> car sooner than you think. > >Great points. It's my guess that older cars that are less likely to have >alarms are broken into more so than newer cars that do have alarms and >other security measures built into them. I have stickers on each front >window clearly indicating that it has a security system. I purchased the >stickers at the Honda dealership. I noticed the same stickers on a new >Honda Accord and told the guy at the parts desk to order them for me. I >don't know why those same stickers were not on my car when I purchased it. one way around an alarm is a piece of coat hangar straightened and heated on one end. poke it through the battery and the alarm dies. was a popular trick on the vette's years ago. Chip |
Re: Break-ins due to window/lock exploit
On Mon, 23 May 2005 09:45:33 -0700, jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>In article <Xns965F651B64B7Cjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.85>, Jim Yanik ><jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote: > >> "WooHoo2You" <no@email.com> wrote in >> news:tjfke.9056$w21.7701@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net: >> >> > I live in a large apartment complex, and my unit is on the back side >> > of the building from where all of the parking is. Therefore I have no >> > hope of hearing my alarm, >> >> The thieves do not know that. >> Granted an alarm will not stop professional thieves or really determined >> amateurs,but they still are a deterrent,something that makes them move on >> to other,undefended targets. >> >> >> > also none of the other tenants would even >> > turn an ear to a car alarm. My Civic is a 96 with some body damage, >> > spending 200 dollars (plus install) on a good alarm system seems like >> > a questionable investment on a car I may own for less then a year. >> >> One has to balance the cost of defense against the value of the item and >> it's contents. If you discover your ECU or other major component >> stolen(that may not be available anymore),then you may be getting another >> car sooner than you think. > >Great points. It's my guess that older cars that are less likely to have >alarms are broken into more so than newer cars that do have alarms and >other security measures built into them. I have stickers on each front >window clearly indicating that it has a security system. I purchased the >stickers at the Honda dealership. I noticed the same stickers on a new >Honda Accord and told the guy at the parts desk to order them for me. I >don't know why those same stickers were not on my car when I purchased it. one way around an alarm is a piece of coat hangar straightened and heated on one end. poke it through the battery and the alarm dies. was a popular trick on the vette's years ago. Chip |
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