Can Anything Stop Toyota?
11-15-2003, 01:38 AM
#166
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Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
> > >
> > >
> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
> > > million paid subscribers.
> > >
> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
> >
> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
> > credibility than they deserve.
> >
> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>
> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>
CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
> > >
> > >
> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
> > > million paid subscribers.
> > >
> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
> >
> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
> > credibility than they deserve.
> >
> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>
> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>
CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
11-15-2003, 01:38 AM
#167
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Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
> > >
> > >
> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
> > > million paid subscribers.
> > >
> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
> >
> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
> > credibility than they deserve.
> >
> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>
> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>
CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
> > >
> > >
> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
> > > million paid subscribers.
> > >
> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
> >
> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
> > credibility than they deserve.
> >
> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>
> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>
CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
11-15-2003, 01:38 AM
#168
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Posts: n/a
Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
> > >
> > >
> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
> > > million paid subscribers.
> > >
> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
> >
> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
> > credibility than they deserve.
> >
> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>
> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>
CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
> > >
> > >
> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
> > > million paid subscribers.
> > >
> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
> >
> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
> > credibility than they deserve.
> >
> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>
> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>
CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
11-15-2003, 01:38 AM
#169
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Posts: n/a
Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
> > >
> > >
> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
> > > million paid subscribers.
> > >
> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
> >
> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
> > credibility than they deserve.
> >
> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>
> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>
CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
> > >
> > >
> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
> > > million paid subscribers.
> > >
> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
> >
> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
> > credibility than they deserve.
> >
> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>
> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>
CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
11-15-2003, 07:50 AM
#170
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Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
> HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
>> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
>> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
>> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
>> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
>> > > million paid subscribers.
>> > >
>> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
>> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
>> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
>> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
>> >
>> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
>> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
>> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
>> > credibility than they deserve.
>> >
>> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
>> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
>> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ~~Philip
>>
>>
>> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
>> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
>> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>>
>> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
>> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>>
>
> CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
> the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
> to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
> the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
> and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
> and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
>
>
> What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"
>
Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer Reports
was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners & drivers, hundreds
of thousands of them. That's not subjective, unless you intend to claim
that Consumer Reports makes up the survey results. If you do, by all
means make the claim. Either way, your ignorance is appalling. Please
shut the up.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker
> In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
> HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
>> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
>> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
>> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
>> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
>> > > million paid subscribers.
>> > >
>> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
>> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
>> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
>> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
>> >
>> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
>> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
>> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
>> > credibility than they deserve.
>> >
>> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
>> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
>> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ~~Philip
>>
>>
>> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
>> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
>> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>>
>> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
>> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>>
>
> CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
> the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
> to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
> the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
> and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
> and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
>
>
> What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"
>
Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer Reports
was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners & drivers, hundreds
of thousands of them. That's not subjective, unless you intend to claim
that Consumer Reports makes up the survey results. If you do, by all
means make the claim. Either way, your ignorance is appalling. Please
shut the up.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker
11-15-2003, 07:50 AM
#171
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
> HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
>> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
>> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
>> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
>> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
>> > > million paid subscribers.
>> > >
>> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
>> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
>> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
>> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
>> >
>> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
>> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
>> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
>> > credibility than they deserve.
>> >
>> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
>> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
>> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ~~Philip
>>
>>
>> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
>> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
>> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>>
>> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
>> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>>
>
> CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
> the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
> to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
> the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
> and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
> and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
>
>
> What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"
>
Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer Reports
was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners & drivers, hundreds
of thousands of them. That's not subjective, unless you intend to claim
that Consumer Reports makes up the survey results. If you do, by all
means make the claim. Either way, your ignorance is appalling. Please
shut the up.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker
> In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
> HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
>> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
>> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
>> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
>> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
>> > > million paid subscribers.
>> > >
>> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
>> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
>> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
>> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
>> >
>> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
>> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
>> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
>> > credibility than they deserve.
>> >
>> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
>> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
>> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ~~Philip
>>
>>
>> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
>> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
>> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>>
>> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
>> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>>
>
> CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
> the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
> to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
> the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
> and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
> and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
>
>
> What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"
>
Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer Reports
was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners & drivers, hundreds
of thousands of them. That's not subjective, unless you intend to claim
that Consumer Reports makes up the survey results. If you do, by all
means make the claim. Either way, your ignorance is appalling. Please
shut the up.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker
11-15-2003, 07:50 AM
#172
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Posts: n/a
Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
> HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
>> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
>> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
>> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
>> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
>> > > million paid subscribers.
>> > >
>> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
>> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
>> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
>> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
>> >
>> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
>> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
>> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
>> > credibility than they deserve.
>> >
>> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
>> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
>> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ~~Philip
>>
>>
>> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
>> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
>> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>>
>> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
>> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>>
>
> CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
> the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
> to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
> the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
> and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
> and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
>
>
> What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"
>
Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer Reports
was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners & drivers, hundreds
of thousands of them. That's not subjective, unless you intend to claim
that Consumer Reports makes up the survey results. If you do, by all
means make the claim. Either way, your ignorance is appalling. Please
shut the up.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker
> In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
> HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
>> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
>> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
>> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
>> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
>> > > million paid subscribers.
>> > >
>> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
>> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
>> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
>> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
>> >
>> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
>> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
>> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
>> > credibility than they deserve.
>> >
>> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
>> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
>> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ~~Philip
>>
>>
>> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
>> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
>> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>>
>> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
>> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>>
>
> CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
> the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
> to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
> the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
> and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
> and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
>
>
> What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"
>
Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer Reports
was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners & drivers, hundreds
of thousands of them. That's not subjective, unless you intend to claim
that Consumer Reports makes up the survey results. If you do, by all
means make the claim. Either way, your ignorance is appalling. Please
shut the up.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker
11-15-2003, 07:50 AM
#173
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Posts: n/a
Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
> HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
>> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
>> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
>> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
>> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
>> > > million paid subscribers.
>> > >
>> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
>> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
>> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
>> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
>> >
>> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
>> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
>> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
>> > credibility than they deserve.
>> >
>> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
>> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
>> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ~~Philip
>>
>>
>> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
>> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
>> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>>
>> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
>> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>>
>
> CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
> the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
> to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
> the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
> and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
> and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
>
>
> What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"
>
Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer Reports
was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners & drivers, hundreds
of thousands of them. That's not subjective, unless you intend to claim
that Consumer Reports makes up the survey results. If you do, by all
means make the claim. Either way, your ignorance is appalling. Please
shut the up.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker
> In news:de-dnf-qJ5aUhiiiRVn-uA@comcast.com,
> HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> In article <8V7tb.380$sb4.266@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.ne t>,
>> 1chip-state1 @earthlink.net.invalid says...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual
>> > > survey on quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people
>> > > each year vs. you. You consider their reviews and surveys are
>> > > "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4
>> > > million paid subscribers.
>> > >
>> > > You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
>> > > campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go
>> > > back to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only
>> > > increase your usage of Preparation H.
>> >
>> > CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
>> > They have their biases. They also have their priorities which
>> > often differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more
>> > credibility than they deserve.
>> >
>> > A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
>> > underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
>> > your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ~~Philip
>>
>>
>> CR's auto eval process is very scientific and is done by
>> automotive engineers, not by the editors. You are apparently
>> un-educated and ignorant to understand their reviews.
>>
>> You value the backdoor favors at auto plants. I choose to trust
>> CR's review and survey results. Also Car&Driver, Motortrend, etc.
>>
>
> CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity. I'm
> the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one who has
> to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I- discover about
> the car that matters most. You can let other people do your thinking
> and test driving for you. Probably just as well. Car models live
> and die by the dictates of the market .... magazines notwithstanding.
>
>
> What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"
>
Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer Reports
was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners & drivers, hundreds
of thousands of them. That's not subjective, unless you intend to claim
that Consumer Reports makes up the survey results. If you do, by all
means make the claim. Either way, your ignorance is appalling. Please
shut the up.
RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." - Forrest Tucker
11-15-2003, 11:15 AM
#174
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Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
In news:Aiptb.17114$w66.367558@twister.tampabay.rr.co m,
Dave Kelsen <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> > CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity.
> > I'm the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one
> > who has to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I-
> > discover about the car that matters most. You can let other
> > people do your thinking and test driving for you. Probably just
> > as well. Car models live and die by the dictates of the
> > market .... magazines notwithstanding.
> >
> >
> > What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
> Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer
> Reports was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners &
> drivers, hundreds of thousands of them. That's not subjective,
> unless you intend to claim that Consumer Reports makes up the
> survey results. If you do, by all means make the claim.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
Dave, the difference of opinion is over C/R's automotive evaluations
over the years and the weight that should be given to those reports
vs. personal research. C/R is a non-profit organization which means
they can be just as prejudiced and opinionated in one direction as a
"for profit" magazine can be biased in favor of its advertisers in
another direction. The size of CR's audience only reflects the
diversity of product they test, name recognition, and their many
years in business.
I have worked in the auto repair business for many years and have
visited several assembly plant(s) of the models up for consideration.
To those who have not such a background, do the best you can by
reading a VARIETY of publications ... not -just- C/R.
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
Dave Kelsen <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> > CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity.
> > I'm the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one
> > who has to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I-
> > discover about the car that matters most. You can let other
> > people do your thinking and test driving for you. Probably just
> > as well. Car models live and die by the dictates of the
> > market .... magazines notwithstanding.
> >
> >
> > What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
> Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer
> Reports was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners &
> drivers, hundreds of thousands of them. That's not subjective,
> unless you intend to claim that Consumer Reports makes up the
> survey results. If you do, by all means make the claim.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
Dave, the difference of opinion is over C/R's automotive evaluations
over the years and the weight that should be given to those reports
vs. personal research. C/R is a non-profit organization which means
they can be just as prejudiced and opinionated in one direction as a
"for profit" magazine can be biased in favor of its advertisers in
another direction. The size of CR's audience only reflects the
diversity of product they test, name recognition, and their many
years in business.
I have worked in the auto repair business for many years and have
visited several assembly plant(s) of the models up for consideration.
To those who have not such a background, do the best you can by
reading a VARIETY of publications ... not -just- C/R.
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
11-15-2003, 11:15 AM
#175
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Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
In news:Aiptb.17114$w66.367558@twister.tampabay.rr.co m,
Dave Kelsen <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> > CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity.
> > I'm the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one
> > who has to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I-
> > discover about the car that matters most. You can let other
> > people do your thinking and test driving for you. Probably just
> > as well. Car models live and die by the dictates of the
> > market .... magazines notwithstanding.
> >
> >
> > What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
> Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer
> Reports was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners &
> drivers, hundreds of thousands of them. That's not subjective,
> unless you intend to claim that Consumer Reports makes up the
> survey results. If you do, by all means make the claim.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
Dave, the difference of opinion is over C/R's automotive evaluations
over the years and the weight that should be given to those reports
vs. personal research. C/R is a non-profit organization which means
they can be just as prejudiced and opinionated in one direction as a
"for profit" magazine can be biased in favor of its advertisers in
another direction. The size of CR's audience only reflects the
diversity of product they test, name recognition, and their many
years in business.
I have worked in the auto repair business for many years and have
visited several assembly plant(s) of the models up for consideration.
To those who have not such a background, do the best you can by
reading a VARIETY of publications ... not -just- C/R.
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
Dave Kelsen <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> > CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity.
> > I'm the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one
> > who has to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I-
> > discover about the car that matters most. You can let other
> > people do your thinking and test driving for you. Probably just
> > as well. Car models live and die by the dictates of the
> > market .... magazines notwithstanding.
> >
> >
> > What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
> Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer
> Reports was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners &
> drivers, hundreds of thousands of them. That's not subjective,
> unless you intend to claim that Consumer Reports makes up the
> survey results. If you do, by all means make the claim.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
Dave, the difference of opinion is over C/R's automotive evaluations
over the years and the weight that should be given to those reports
vs. personal research. C/R is a non-profit organization which means
they can be just as prejudiced and opinionated in one direction as a
"for profit" magazine can be biased in favor of its advertisers in
another direction. The size of CR's audience only reflects the
diversity of product they test, name recognition, and their many
years in business.
I have worked in the auto repair business for many years and have
visited several assembly plant(s) of the models up for consideration.
To those who have not such a background, do the best you can by
reading a VARIETY of publications ... not -just- C/R.
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
11-15-2003, 11:15 AM
#176
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Posts: n/a
Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
In news:Aiptb.17114$w66.367558@twister.tampabay.rr.co m,
Dave Kelsen <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> > CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity.
> > I'm the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one
> > who has to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I-
> > discover about the car that matters most. You can let other
> > people do your thinking and test driving for you. Probably just
> > as well. Car models live and die by the dictates of the
> > market .... magazines notwithstanding.
> >
> >
> > What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
> Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer
> Reports was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners &
> drivers, hundreds of thousands of them. That's not subjective,
> unless you intend to claim that Consumer Reports makes up the
> survey results. If you do, by all means make the claim.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
Dave, the difference of opinion is over C/R's automotive evaluations
over the years and the weight that should be given to those reports
vs. personal research. C/R is a non-profit organization which means
they can be just as prejudiced and opinionated in one direction as a
"for profit" magazine can be biased in favor of its advertisers in
another direction. The size of CR's audience only reflects the
diversity of product they test, name recognition, and their many
years in business.
I have worked in the auto repair business for many years and have
visited several assembly plant(s) of the models up for consideration.
To those who have not such a background, do the best you can by
reading a VARIETY of publications ... not -just- C/R.
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
Dave Kelsen <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> > CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity.
> > I'm the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one
> > who has to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I-
> > discover about the car that matters most. You can let other
> > people do your thinking and test driving for you. Probably just
> > as well. Car models live and die by the dictates of the
> > market .... magazines notwithstanding.
> >
> >
> > What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
> Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer
> Reports was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners &
> drivers, hundreds of thousands of them. That's not subjective,
> unless you intend to claim that Consumer Reports makes up the
> survey results. If you do, by all means make the claim.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
Dave, the difference of opinion is over C/R's automotive evaluations
over the years and the weight that should be given to those reports
vs. personal research. C/R is a non-profit organization which means
they can be just as prejudiced and opinionated in one direction as a
"for profit" magazine can be biased in favor of its advertisers in
another direction. The size of CR's audience only reflects the
diversity of product they test, name recognition, and their many
years in business.
I have worked in the auto repair business for many years and have
visited several assembly plant(s) of the models up for consideration.
To those who have not such a background, do the best you can by
reading a VARIETY of publications ... not -just- C/R.
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
11-15-2003, 11:15 AM
#177
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Posts: n/a
Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
In news:Aiptb.17114$w66.367558@twister.tampabay.rr.co m,
Dave Kelsen <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> > CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity.
> > I'm the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one
> > who has to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I-
> > discover about the car that matters most. You can let other
> > people do your thinking and test driving for you. Probably just
> > as well. Car models live and die by the dictates of the
> > market .... magazines notwithstanding.
> >
> >
> > What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
> Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer
> Reports was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners &
> drivers, hundreds of thousands of them. That's not subjective,
> unless you intend to claim that Consumer Reports makes up the
> survey results. If you do, by all means make the claim.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
Dave, the difference of opinion is over C/R's automotive evaluations
over the years and the weight that should be given to those reports
vs. personal research. C/R is a non-profit organization which means
they can be just as prejudiced and opinionated in one direction as a
"for profit" magazine can be biased in favor of its advertisers in
another direction. The size of CR's audience only reflects the
diversity of product they test, name recognition, and their many
years in business.
I have worked in the auto repair business for many years and have
visited several assembly plant(s) of the models up for consideration.
To those who have not such a background, do the best you can by
reading a VARIETY of publications ... not -just- C/R.
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
Dave Kelsen <kelsen@elmore.rr.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> On 11/15/2003 12:38 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:
> > CR's evaluation process has always been plagued by subjectivity.
> > I'm the one writing the check at purchase time and I am the one
> > who has to live with the purchase. That's why it's what -I-
> > discover about the car that matters most. You can let other
> > people do your thinking and test driving for you. Probably just
> > as well. Car models live and die by the dictates of the
> > market .... magazines notwithstanding.
> >
> >
> > What new car have you purchased in the last couple of years?
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
> Philip, the subject of the discussion with respect to Consumer
> Reports was the reliability of vehicles reported by owners &
> drivers, hundreds of thousands of them. That's not subjective,
> unless you intend to claim that Consumer Reports makes up the
> survey results. If you do, by all means make the claim.
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen
Dave, the difference of opinion is over C/R's automotive evaluations
over the years and the weight that should be given to those reports
vs. personal research. C/R is a non-profit organization which means
they can be just as prejudiced and opinionated in one direction as a
"for profit" magazine can be biased in favor of its advertisers in
another direction. The size of CR's audience only reflects the
diversity of product they test, name recognition, and their many
years in business.
I have worked in the auto repair business for many years and have
visited several assembly plant(s) of the models up for consideration.
To those who have not such a background, do the best you can by
reading a VARIETY of publications ... not -just- C/R.
--
~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"
11-15-2003, 03:06 PM
#178
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Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
"fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> hat in Betrag
news:vr86fqoi53nb3d@corp.supernews.com dies gedichtet:
> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development.
Well, at least in Germany working for a car manufacturer and working for
the defense industry is no contradiction. The chassis of the Leopard 1
tank was developed by Porsche. Mercedes developed the G-Model mainly for
selling it to various armies as a multi purpose vehicle. The famous Fuchs
six wheeled armoured vehicle (german soldiers have operated Fuchs ABC
surveillance vehicles in Kuweit up to now) is powered by a Mercedes
engine. VW made several off road vehicles mainly for military purpose (VW
181, VW Iltis), and the Pershing middle range rockets of the USAF have
been based on mobile launch stations made by MAN, a german truck
manufacturer. Besides this Mercedes owner Daimler Chrysler also owns a
part of EADS, the largest aerospace company of Europe, which builds the
Airbus and the new Eurofighter. Daimler Chrysler also owned the military
engine manufacturer MTU (they have sold the company just a few days ago).
Most ships of the German Federal Navy are powered by MTU engines, so are
most heavy tanks in the German Federal Armed Forces. 8 years ago I
visited the german camera maker Rollei (now owned by Samsung). Back then
Rollei made one of the first digital camera system suitable for
professional use. It used a large scale CCD sensor provided by Rockwell
industries. I heard complaints by Rollei reps, who said that they could
not get as much CCD sensors as they needed, because the most important
client was Martin Marietta, to fit them into the target finding device of
their cruise missile. He found that not fair, because Rollei has
developed the optical target finding system of the cruise missile:
"guess, why cruise missles were able to commute through Baghdad like
taxicabs".
Frank
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> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development.
Well, at least in Germany working for a car manufacturer and working for
the defense industry is no contradiction. The chassis of the Leopard 1
tank was developed by Porsche. Mercedes developed the G-Model mainly for
selling it to various armies as a multi purpose vehicle. The famous Fuchs
six wheeled armoured vehicle (german soldiers have operated Fuchs ABC
surveillance vehicles in Kuweit up to now) is powered by a Mercedes
engine. VW made several off road vehicles mainly for military purpose (VW
181, VW Iltis), and the Pershing middle range rockets of the USAF have
been based on mobile launch stations made by MAN, a german truck
manufacturer. Besides this Mercedes owner Daimler Chrysler also owns a
part of EADS, the largest aerospace company of Europe, which builds the
Airbus and the new Eurofighter. Daimler Chrysler also owned the military
engine manufacturer MTU (they have sold the company just a few days ago).
Most ships of the German Federal Navy are powered by MTU engines, so are
most heavy tanks in the German Federal Armed Forces. 8 years ago I
visited the german camera maker Rollei (now owned by Samsung). Back then
Rollei made one of the first digital camera system suitable for
professional use. It used a large scale CCD sensor provided by Rockwell
industries. I heard complaints by Rollei reps, who said that they could
not get as much CCD sensors as they needed, because the most important
client was Martin Marietta, to fit them into the target finding device of
their cruise missile. He found that not fair, because Rollei has
developed the optical target finding system of the cruise missile:
"guess, why cruise missles were able to commute through Baghdad like
taxicabs".
Frank
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Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
"fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> hat in Betrag
news:vr86fqoi53nb3d@corp.supernews.com dies gedichtet:
> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development.
Well, at least in Germany working for a car manufacturer and working for
the defense industry is no contradiction. The chassis of the Leopard 1
tank was developed by Porsche. Mercedes developed the G-Model mainly for
selling it to various armies as a multi purpose vehicle. The famous Fuchs
six wheeled armoured vehicle (german soldiers have operated Fuchs ABC
surveillance vehicles in Kuweit up to now) is powered by a Mercedes
engine. VW made several off road vehicles mainly for military purpose (VW
181, VW Iltis), and the Pershing middle range rockets of the USAF have
been based on mobile launch stations made by MAN, a german truck
manufacturer. Besides this Mercedes owner Daimler Chrysler also owns a
part of EADS, the largest aerospace company of Europe, which builds the
Airbus and the new Eurofighter. Daimler Chrysler also owned the military
engine manufacturer MTU (they have sold the company just a few days ago).
Most ships of the German Federal Navy are powered by MTU engines, so are
most heavy tanks in the German Federal Armed Forces. 8 years ago I
visited the german camera maker Rollei (now owned by Samsung). Back then
Rollei made one of the first digital camera system suitable for
professional use. It used a large scale CCD sensor provided by Rockwell
industries. I heard complaints by Rollei reps, who said that they could
not get as much CCD sensors as they needed, because the most important
client was Martin Marietta, to fit them into the target finding device of
their cruise missile. He found that not fair, because Rollei has
developed the optical target finding system of the cruise missile:
"guess, why cruise missles were able to commute through Baghdad like
taxicabs".
Frank
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news:vr86fqoi53nb3d@corp.supernews.com dies gedichtet:
> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development.
Well, at least in Germany working for a car manufacturer and working for
the defense industry is no contradiction. The chassis of the Leopard 1
tank was developed by Porsche. Mercedes developed the G-Model mainly for
selling it to various armies as a multi purpose vehicle. The famous Fuchs
six wheeled armoured vehicle (german soldiers have operated Fuchs ABC
surveillance vehicles in Kuweit up to now) is powered by a Mercedes
engine. VW made several off road vehicles mainly for military purpose (VW
181, VW Iltis), and the Pershing middle range rockets of the USAF have
been based on mobile launch stations made by MAN, a german truck
manufacturer. Besides this Mercedes owner Daimler Chrysler also owns a
part of EADS, the largest aerospace company of Europe, which builds the
Airbus and the new Eurofighter. Daimler Chrysler also owned the military
engine manufacturer MTU (they have sold the company just a few days ago).
Most ships of the German Federal Navy are powered by MTU engines, so are
most heavy tanks in the German Federal Armed Forces. 8 years ago I
visited the german camera maker Rollei (now owned by Samsung). Back then
Rollei made one of the first digital camera system suitable for
professional use. It used a large scale CCD sensor provided by Rockwell
industries. I heard complaints by Rollei reps, who said that they could
not get as much CCD sensors as they needed, because the most important
client was Martin Marietta, to fit them into the target finding device of
their cruise missile. He found that not fair, because Rollei has
developed the optical target finding system of the cruise missile:
"guess, why cruise missles were able to commute through Baghdad like
taxicabs".
Frank
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Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
"fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> hat in Betrag
news:vr86fqoi53nb3d@corp.supernews.com dies gedichtet:
> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development.
Well, at least in Germany working for a car manufacturer and working for
the defense industry is no contradiction. The chassis of the Leopard 1
tank was developed by Porsche. Mercedes developed the G-Model mainly for
selling it to various armies as a multi purpose vehicle. The famous Fuchs
six wheeled armoured vehicle (german soldiers have operated Fuchs ABC
surveillance vehicles in Kuweit up to now) is powered by a Mercedes
engine. VW made several off road vehicles mainly for military purpose (VW
181, VW Iltis), and the Pershing middle range rockets of the USAF have
been based on mobile launch stations made by MAN, a german truck
manufacturer. Besides this Mercedes owner Daimler Chrysler also owns a
part of EADS, the largest aerospace company of Europe, which builds the
Airbus and the new Eurofighter. Daimler Chrysler also owned the military
engine manufacturer MTU (they have sold the company just a few days ago).
Most ships of the German Federal Navy are powered by MTU engines, so are
most heavy tanks in the German Federal Armed Forces. 8 years ago I
visited the german camera maker Rollei (now owned by Samsung). Back then
Rollei made one of the first digital camera system suitable for
professional use. It used a large scale CCD sensor provided by Rockwell
industries. I heard complaints by Rollei reps, who said that they could
not get as much CCD sensors as they needed, because the most important
client was Martin Marietta, to fit them into the target finding device of
their cruise missile. He found that not fair, because Rollei has
developed the optical target finding system of the cruise missile:
"guess, why cruise missles were able to commute through Baghdad like
taxicabs".
Frank
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news:vr86fqoi53nb3d@corp.supernews.com dies gedichtet:
> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development.
Well, at least in Germany working for a car manufacturer and working for
the defense industry is no contradiction. The chassis of the Leopard 1
tank was developed by Porsche. Mercedes developed the G-Model mainly for
selling it to various armies as a multi purpose vehicle. The famous Fuchs
six wheeled armoured vehicle (german soldiers have operated Fuchs ABC
surveillance vehicles in Kuweit up to now) is powered by a Mercedes
engine. VW made several off road vehicles mainly for military purpose (VW
181, VW Iltis), and the Pershing middle range rockets of the USAF have
been based on mobile launch stations made by MAN, a german truck
manufacturer. Besides this Mercedes owner Daimler Chrysler also owns a
part of EADS, the largest aerospace company of Europe, which builds the
Airbus and the new Eurofighter. Daimler Chrysler also owned the military
engine manufacturer MTU (they have sold the company just a few days ago).
Most ships of the German Federal Navy are powered by MTU engines, so are
most heavy tanks in the German Federal Armed Forces. 8 years ago I
visited the german camera maker Rollei (now owned by Samsung). Back then
Rollei made one of the first digital camera system suitable for
professional use. It used a large scale CCD sensor provided by Rockwell
industries. I heard complaints by Rollei reps, who said that they could
not get as much CCD sensors as they needed, because the most important
client was Martin Marietta, to fit them into the target finding device of
their cruise missile. He found that not fair, because Rollei has
developed the optical target finding system of the cruise missile:
"guess, why cruise missles were able to commute through Baghdad like
taxicabs".
Frank
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