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elmo 11-11-2003 05:31 PM

Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazi...8001_mz001.htm
An inside look at how it's reinventing the auto industry.

Yoi kangae, yoi shina! that's Toyota-speak for "Good thinking means good
products." The slogan is emblazoned on a giant banner hanging across the
company's Takaoka assembly plant, an hour outside the city of Nagoya. Plenty
of good thinking has gone into the high-tech ballet that's performed here 17
hours a day. Six separate car models -- from the Corolla compact to the new
youth-oriented Scion xB -- glide along on a single production line in any of
a half-dozen colors. Overhead, car doors flow by on a conveyor belt that
descends to floor level and drops off the right door in the correct color
for each vehicle. This efficiency means Takaoka workers can build a car in
just 20 hours.

The combination of speed and flexibility is world class. More important, a
similar dance is happening at 30 Toyota plants worldwide, with some able to
make as many as eight different models on the same line. That is leading to
a monster increase in productivity and market responsiveness -- all part of
the company's obsession with what President Fujio Cho calls "the criticality
of speed."

Remember when Japan was going to take over the world? Corporate America was
apoplectic at the idea that every Japanese company might be as obsessive,
productive, and well-managed as Toyota Motor Corp. (TM ). We know what
happened next: One of the longest crashes in business history revealed most
of Japan Inc. to be debt-addicted, inefficient, and clueless. Today, 13
years after the Nikkei peaked, Japan is still struggling to avoid permanent
decline. World domination? Hardly.

Except in one corner. In autos, the Japanese rule. And in Japan, one
company -- Toyota -- combines the size, financial clout, and manufacturing
excellence needed to dominate the global car industry in a way no company
ever has. Sure, Toyota, with $146 billion in sales, may not be tops in every
category. GM is bigger -- for now. Nissan Motor Co. (NSANY ) makes slightly
more profit per vehicle in North America, and its U.S. plants are more
efficient. Both Nissan and Honda have flexible assembly lines, too. But no
car company is as strong as Toyota in so many areas.

Of course, the carmaker has always moved steadily forward: Its executives
created the doctrine of kaizen, or continuous improvement. "They find a
hole, and they plug it," says auto-industry consultant Maryann Keller. "They
methodically study problems, and they solve them." But in the past few
years, Toyota has accelerated these gains, raising the bar for the entire
industry. Consider:

-- Toyota is closing in on Chrysler to become the third-biggest carmaker in
the U.S. Its U.S. share, rising steadily, is now above 11%.

-- At its current rate of expansion, Toyota could pass Ford Motor Co. (F )
in mid-decade as the world's No. 2 auto maker. The No. 1 spot -- still
occupied by General Motors Corp. (GM ), with 15% of the global market --
would be the next target. President Cho's goal is 15% of global sales by
2010, up from 10% today. "They dominate wherever they go," says Nobuhiko
Kawamoto, former president of Honda Motor Co. (HMC ). "They try to take over
everything."

-- Toyota has broken the Japanese curse of running companies simply for
sales gains, not profit. Its operating margin of 8%-plus (vs. 2% in 1993)
now dwarfs those of Detroit's Big Three. Even with the impact of the strong
yen, estimated 2003 profits of $7.2 billion will be double 1999's level. On
Nov. 5, the company reported profits of $4.8 billion on sales of $75 billion
for the six months ended Sept. 30. Results like that have given Toyota a
market capitalization of $110 billion -- more than that of GM, Ford, and
DaimlerChrysler (DCX ) combined.

-- The company has not only rounded out its product line in the U.S., with
sport-utility vehicles, trucks, and a hit minivan, but it also has seized
the psychological advantage in the market with the Prius, an eco-friendly
gasoline-electric car. "This is going to be a real paradigm shift for the
industry," says board member and top engineer Hiroyuki Watanabe. In October,
when the second-generation Prius reached U.S. showrooms, dealers got 10,000
orders before the car was even available.

-- Toyota has launched a joint program with its suppliers to radically cut
the number of steps needed to make cars and car parts. In the past year
alone, the company chopped $2.6 billion out of its $113 billion in
manufacturing costs without any plant closures or layoffs. Toyota expects to
cut an additional $2 billion out of its cost base this year.

-- Toyota is putting the finishing touches on a plan to create an
integrated, flexible, global manufacturing system. In this new network,
plants from Indonesia to Argentina will be designed both to customize cars
for local markets and to shift production to quickly satisfy any surges in
demand from markets worldwide. By tapping, say, its South African plant to
meet a need in Europe, Toyota can save itself the $1 billion normally needed
to build a new factory.

If Cho gets this transformation right, he'll end up with an automotive
machine that makes the Americans and Germans quake. Cost-cutting and process
redesign will chop out billions in expenses. That will keep margins strong
and free up cash to develop new models and technologies such as the Prius,
to invest in global manufacturing, and to invade markets such as Europe and
China. New models and new plants will build share, which will build more
clout. And if there's a hiccup -- well, there's a cash-and-securities hoard
of $30 billion. "This is a company that does not fear failure," says Cho.

Roadblocks?
Can anything stop Toyota? There are some potential roadblocks. Toyota
doesn't always get it right: Its early attempts at the youth market,
minivans, and big pickup trucks all disappointed. It remains dependent on
the U.S. business for some 70% of earnings. Its Lexus luxury sedans are
losing ground to BMW, though Lexus' strong SUV sales are keeping the
division in the game. The average Toyota owner is about 46, a number the
company must lower or risk going the way of Buick. And most of Toyota's big
sellers aren't exactly head-turners.

Meanwhile, Toyota's rivals are hardly sitting still. GM is finishing up a
$4.3 billion revamp of Cadillac, and a revival is in the works: Overall GM
quality is on an upswing too. "Toyota is a good competitor, but they're not
unbeatable," says GM Chairman G. Richard Wagoner Jr. Over at Nissan, CEO
Carlos Ghosn doubts Toyota's big bet on hybrids will pay off. "There will be
no revolution," he predicts. And Detroit's Big Three are praying that a
strong yen will batter Toyota. If the yen sticks at 110 to the dollar over
the next 12 months, Toyota could see its pretax profits shrink by $900
million.

A strengthening yen might have hammered Toyota in the 1980s, and it will
certainly have an impact next year. But today, three decades after starting
its global push, Toyota can't be accused of needing a cheap yen to subsidize
exports. Since starting U.S. production in 1986, Toyota has invested nearly
$14 billion there. What's more, many of its costs are now set in dollars:
Last year, Toyota's purchases of parts and materials from 500 North American
suppliers came to $19 billion -- more than the annual sales of Cisco Systems
Inc. (CSCO ) or Oracle Corp. (ORCL ). The U.S. investment is an enormous
natural hedge against the yen. "About 60% of what we sold here, we built
here," Toyota Chairman Hiroshi Okuda said in a Sept. 10 speech in
Washington.

Better for Toyota, those cars are also among the industry's biggest
money-makers. Take SUVs: Ten years ago, Toyota had a puny 4% share. Today,
it owns nearly 12% of that high-margin segment with eight models ranging
from the $19,000 RAV4 to the $65,000 Lexus LX 470 -- and makes as much as
$10,000 on each high-end model it sells. The company is steadily robbing
Ford, Chrysler, and GM of their primacy in the cutthroat U.S. SUV market and
has largely sat out the latest round of rebates: Toyota's average incentive
per car this fall is just $647, compared with $3,812 at GM and $3,665 at
Ford, according to market watcher Edmunds.com. This is one war of attrition
where Detroit is clearly outgunned.

Toyota's charge into SUVs indicates a new willingness to play tough in the
U.S., which it considers vital to its drive for a global 15% share. "The
next era is full-size trucks and luxury, environmental, and youth cars,"
predicts James E. Press, chief operating officer at Toyota Motor Sales USA
Inc. Toyota is already intent on boosting its 4.5% market share in pickups,
the last profit refuge of the Big Three. Toyota is building an $800 million
plant in San Antonio, Tex., that will allow it to more than double its
Tundra output, to some 250,000 trucks a year by 2006, with rigs powerful and
roomy enough to go head to head with Detroit's biggest models.

Toyota plans to extend its early lead in eco-cars by pushing the Prius and
adding a hybrid Lexus RX 330 SUV next summer. The Lexus will get as much as
35 miles per gallon, compared with roughly 21 mpg for a conventional RX 330.
And Toyota is vigorously attacking the youth market with the $14,500 Scin
xB compact, which surprised Toyota-bashers with its angular, minimalist
design. Since the Scion's U.S. launch in California in June, Toyota has sold
nearly 7,700 of them, 30% better than forecast. Toyota Vice-President James
Farley says three out of four buyers of the brand had no intention of buying
a Toyota when they started looking. "That's exactly why we started the
Scion," he says.

The Scion is evidence that Toyota's growing cash cushion gives it the means
to revamp its lackluster designs. When Cho traveled through Germany in 1994,
he recalls being asked: Why are Toyota cars so poorly styled? Part of the
problem, says Cho, is that too many Toyotas were designed with Japanese
consumers in mind and then exported. Some worked; some flopped.

These days, design teams on the West Coast of the U.S., in southern France,
and back home compete for projects. That has paid off with models such as
the Yaris, Toyota's best-seller in Europe, where the company now has a 4.4%
share, compared with less than 3% a decade ago. The Yaris was designed by a
Greek, Sotiris Kovos, then imported successfully to Japan because of its
"European" look. "Toyota has finally recognized that buyers want to feel
like they have some level of style," says Wesley Brown, a consultant with
auto researcher Iceology. The redesigned Solara sports coupe is getting high
grades, too: A V-shape line flowing up from the grille gives it a more
muscular silhouette, and its interior is 20% roomier than before.

Toyota Man
Leading Toyota to this new level of global vigor is Cho. He's Toyota Man
personified: Self-effacing, ever smiling, but an executive whose radar seems
to pick up every problem and opportunity. "Cho understands as much as anyone
I've ever seen what's actually happening on the factory floor," says
manufacturing consultant Ronald E. Harbour, whose firm's annual report on
productivity is the industry bible.

That feel for the factory didn't come naturally. The 66-year-old company
lifer studied law, not business, at the prestigious University of Tokyo and
could have easily ended up as a faceless bureaucrat at the Ministry of
Finance. But Cho learned the car business -- and clearly learned it well --
at the knee of Taichi Ohno, the creator of the legendary Toyota Production
System, a series of in-house precepts on efficient manufacturing that
changed the industry. Ohno, a brilliant but notoriously hot-headed engineer,
lectured Cho about the need to be flexible and to look forward.

That advice is something Cho found invaluable when he was tapped to oversee
the 1988 launch of Toyota's key U.S. plant in Georgetown, Ky., now the
company's biggest U.S. factory and the maker of the Camry sedan. The
good-natured and unpretentious Cho regularly worked the plant floor, making
sure to shake hands with each line worker at Christmas to show his
appreciation. He spoke at Rotary Club meetings and stopped to make small
talk with the folks in Georgetown.

Given Toyota's booming U.S. sales in the late 1990s, few inside the company
were surprised when Cho won the top job. Yet equally few had any clue that
the new president was about to unleash so many powerful changes. Like his
predecessor Okuda, Cho had long been frustrated by Toyota's glacial
decision-making process and cultural insularity. Those had led to missed
opportunities, such as when product planners at headquarters in Japan
resisted calls from their U.S. colleagues to build an eight-cylinder pickup
truck. Cho is rectifying that deficiency with a vengeance with the San
Antonio plant.

Then three years ago, as Ghosn -- "le cost killer" -- was slashing billions
at rival Nissan and cutting its supplier ranks in half, Cho had a
revelation: If Nissan could do it, Toyota could do it better. The resulting
program, called Construction of Cost Competitiveness for the 21st Century,
or CCC21, taps into the company's strengths across the board to build cars
more efficiently. It's also turning many operations inside out.

No Detail Too Small
Toyota has always valued frugality. It still turns down the heat at
company-owned employee dormitories during working hours and labels its
photocopy machines with the cost per copy to discourage overuse. But
cost-cutting was often a piecemeal affair. With CCC21, Cho set a bold target
of slashing prices on all key components for new models by 30%, which meant
working with suppliers and Toyota's own staff to ferret out excess.
"Previously, we tried to find waste here and there," says Cho. "But now
there is a new dimension of proposals coming in."

In implementing CCC21, no detail is too small. For instance, Toyota
designers took a close look at the grip handles mounted above the door
inside most cars. By working with suppliers, they managed to cut the number
of parts in these handles to five from 34, which helped cut procurement
costs by 40%. As a plus, the change slashed the time needed for installation
by 75% -- to three seconds. "The pressure is on to cut costs at every
stage," says Takashi Araki, a project manager at parts maker Aisin Seiki Co.

Just as Cho believes he can get far more out of suppliers, he thinks Toyota
can make its workers vastly more productive. This is classic kaizen, but
these days it has gone into overdrive. In the middle of the Kentucky plant,
for instance, a Kaizen Team of particularly productive employees works in a
barracks-like structure. The group's sole job is coming up with ways to save
time and money. Georgetown employees, for instance, recommended removing the
radiator support base -- the lower jaw of the car -- until the last stage of
assembly. That way, workers can step into the engine compartment to install
parts instead of having to lean over the front end and risk straining their
backs. "We used to have to duck into the car to install something," explains
Darryl Ashley, 41, a soft-spoken Kentucky native who joined Toyota nine
years ago.

In Cambridge, Ont., Cho is going even further: He's determined to show the
world that Toyota can meet its own highest standards of excellence anywhere
in its system. It was once company doctrine that Lexus could only be made in
Japan. No longer. Production of the RX 330 SUV started in Cambridge on Sept.
26. If the Canadian hands can deliver the same quality as their Japanese
counterparts, Toyota will be able to chop shipping costs by shifting Lexus
production to the market where the bulk of those cars are sold.

The Japanese bosses put the Canadians through their paces. The 700 workers
on the RX 330 line trained for 12 weeks, including stints in Japan for 200
of them. There, the Canadians managed to beat Japanese teams in quality
assessment on a mock Lexus line. Cambridge has taken Toyota's focus on
poka-yoke, or foolproofing measures, to another level. The plant has
introduced "Circle L" stations where workers must double- and triple-check
parts that customers have complained about -- anything from glove boxes to
suspension systems. "We know that if we can get this right, we may get to bu
ild other Lexus models," says Jason Birt, a 28-year-old Lexus line worker.

The Cambridge workers are aided by a radical piece of manufacturing
technology being rolled out to Toyota plants worldwide. The system, called
the Global Body Line, holds vehicle frames in place while they're being
welded, using just one master brace instead of the dozens of separate braces
required in a standard factory. No big deal? Perhaps, but the system is half
as expensive to install. Analysts say it lets Toyota save 75% of the cost of
refitting a production line to build a different car, and it's key to
Toyota's ability to make multiple models on a single line. Better yet, the
brace increases the rigidity of the car early in production, which boosts
the accuracy of welds and makes for a more stable vehicle. "The end results
are improved quality, shortened welding lines, reduced capital investment,
and less time to launch new vehicles," says Atsushi Niimi, president of
Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America.

Cho and his managers are not just reengineering how Toyota makes its cars --
they want to revolutionize how it creates products. With the rise of e-mail
and teleconferencing, teams of designers, engineers, product planners,
workers, and suppliers rarely all convened in the same place. Under Cho,
they're again required to work face to face, in a process Toyota calls
obeya -- literally, "big room." This cuts the time it takes to get a car
from the drawing board to the showroom. It took only 19 months to develop
the 2003 Solara. That's better than 22 months for the latest Sienna minivan,
and 26 months for the latest Camry -- well below the industry average of
about three years.

If all this sounds like Toyota is riding a powerful growth wave, well, it
is. While Cho is as mild-mannered and modest as they come, the revolution he
has kicked off is anything but. Toyota is in the midst of a transformative
makeover -- and if Cho succeeds, the entire global auto industry is in for
one, too.


By Brian Bremner and Chester Dawson
With Kathleen Kerwin in Detroit, Christopher Palmeri in Los Angeles, and
Paul Magnusson in Washington





Tegger® 11-11-2003 08:47 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
"elmo" <m@vfd.com>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:Sqdsb.34987$vn.74560@sea-read.news.verio.net:

<massive snippage>

> -- Toyota is closing in on Chrysler to become the third-biggest
> carmaker in the U.S. Its U.S. share, rising steadily, is now above
> 11%.
>
> -- At its current rate of expansion, Toyota could pass Ford Motor Co.
> (F ) in mid-decade as the world's No. 2 auto maker.



Toyota passed Ford in the third quarter of this year. At this time, Toyota
IS the world's second-largest automaker.

Paul Brent, writing in Canada's Financial Post:
"On a worldwide basis, Toyota outsold Ford by 43,000 vehicles in the first
six months of its fiscal year ended in September, and by 166,000 vehicles
in the third quarter and could outsell Ford for all of 2003."


--
TeGGeR®

Tegger® 11-11-2003 08:47 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
"elmo" <m@vfd.com>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:Sqdsb.34987$vn.74560@sea-read.news.verio.net:

<massive snippage>

> -- Toyota is closing in on Chrysler to become the third-biggest
> carmaker in the U.S. Its U.S. share, rising steadily, is now above
> 11%.
>
> -- At its current rate of expansion, Toyota could pass Ford Motor Co.
> (F ) in mid-decade as the world's No. 2 auto maker.



Toyota passed Ford in the third quarter of this year. At this time, Toyota
IS the world's second-largest automaker.

Paul Brent, writing in Canada's Financial Post:
"On a worldwide basis, Toyota outsold Ford by 43,000 vehicles in the first
six months of its fiscal year ended in September, and by 166,000 vehicles
in the third quarter and could outsell Ford for all of 2003."


--
TeGGeR®

Tegger® 11-11-2003 08:47 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
"elmo" <m@vfd.com>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:Sqdsb.34987$vn.74560@sea-read.news.verio.net:

<massive snippage>

> -- Toyota is closing in on Chrysler to become the third-biggest
> carmaker in the U.S. Its U.S. share, rising steadily, is now above
> 11%.
>
> -- At its current rate of expansion, Toyota could pass Ford Motor Co.
> (F ) in mid-decade as the world's No. 2 auto maker.



Toyota passed Ford in the third quarter of this year. At this time, Toyota
IS the world's second-largest automaker.

Paul Brent, writing in Canada's Financial Post:
"On a worldwide basis, Toyota outsold Ford by 43,000 vehicles in the first
six months of its fiscal year ended in September, and by 166,000 vehicles
in the third quarter and could outsell Ford for all of 2003."


--
TeGGeR®

Tegger® 11-11-2003 08:47 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
"elmo" <m@vfd.com>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:Sqdsb.34987$vn.74560@sea-read.news.verio.net:

<massive snippage>

> -- Toyota is closing in on Chrysler to become the third-biggest
> carmaker in the U.S. Its U.S. share, rising steadily, is now above
> 11%.
>
> -- At its current rate of expansion, Toyota could pass Ford Motor Co.
> (F ) in mid-decade as the world's No. 2 auto maker.



Toyota passed Ford in the third quarter of this year. At this time, Toyota
IS the world's second-largest automaker.

Paul Brent, writing in Canada's Financial Post:
"On a worldwide basis, Toyota outsold Ford by 43,000 vehicles in the first
six months of its fiscal year ended in September, and by 166,000 vehicles
in the third quarter and could outsell Ford for all of 2003."


--
TeGGeR®

Tom Burns 11-12-2003 12:53 AM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.

This is probably another wakeup call for the Big 3 (okay, 2 1/2). They
appeared to have gotten the first one, but someone hit the snooze button
again.




Tom Burns 11-12-2003 12:53 AM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.

This is probably another wakeup call for the Big 3 (okay, 2 1/2). They
appeared to have gotten the first one, but someone hit the snooze button
again.




Tom Burns 11-12-2003 12:53 AM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.

This is probably another wakeup call for the Big 3 (okay, 2 1/2). They
appeared to have gotten the first one, but someone hit the snooze button
again.




Tom Burns 11-12-2003 12:53 AM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.

This is probably another wakeup call for the Big 3 (okay, 2 1/2). They
appeared to have gotten the first one, but someone hit the snooze button
again.




HarrierAWD 11-12-2003 06:59 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
In article <1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com>, wbittle1@alltel.net
says...
>
>
>> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
>> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>>

> There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
>overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
>more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
>at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
>problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
>as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
>like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
>but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
>to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
>driving vehicle.
>


Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built in a Fremont, CA
UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture. You know what happens when GM and
UAW get together to build a vehicle.


HarrierAWD 11-12-2003 06:59 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
In article <1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com>, wbittle1@alltel.net
says...
>
>
>> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
>> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>>

> There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
>overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
>more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
>at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
>problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
>as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
>like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
>but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
>to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
>driving vehicle.
>


Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built in a Fremont, CA
UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture. You know what happens when GM and
UAW get together to build a vehicle.


HarrierAWD 11-12-2003 06:59 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
In article <1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com>, wbittle1@alltel.net
says...
>
>
>> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
>> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>>

> There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
>overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
>more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
>at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
>problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
>as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
>like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
>but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
>to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
>driving vehicle.
>


Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built in a Fremont, CA
UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture. You know what happens when GM and
UAW get together to build a vehicle.


HarrierAWD 11-12-2003 06:59 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
In article <1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com>, wbittle1@alltel.net
says...
>
>
>> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
>> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>>

> There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
>overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
>more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
>at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
>problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
>as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
>like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
>but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
>to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
>driving vehicle.
>


Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built in a Fremont, CA
UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture. You know what happens when GM and
UAW get together to build a vehicle.


Tegger® 11-12-2003 08:13 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
"W Bittle" <wbittle1@alltel.net>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com:

>
>> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
>> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>>

> There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect
> to
> overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is
> looking more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company
> starts looking more at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit.


It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
is much thicker.

I wouldn't necessarily blame the automakers, though. They are under almost
insane pressures to cut costs while satisfying a bewildering and very
expensive array of government mandates.

One easy target for cost-cutting is trim and interiors.
1) Interiors are not exposed to the weather
2) Interiors and trim are subject to only the most basic governmental
regulation (other than air-bags)
3) Interiors are increasingly important to consumers as the cars themselves
become so reliable as to become almost appliances
4) Interiors and trim are cheap and quick ways of altering the look and
functionality of cars in ways that do not involve government crash-testing,
emissions certification or other expensive compliance procedures.


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TeGGeR®

Tegger® 11-12-2003 08:13 PM

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 
"W Bittle" <wbittle1@alltel.net>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com:

>
>> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
>> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>>

> There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect
> to
> overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is
> looking more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company
> starts looking more at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit.


It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
is much thicker.

I wouldn't necessarily blame the automakers, though. They are under almost
insane pressures to cut costs while satisfying a bewildering and very
expensive array of government mandates.

One easy target for cost-cutting is trim and interiors.
1) Interiors are not exposed to the weather
2) Interiors and trim are subject to only the most basic governmental
regulation (other than air-bags)
3) Interiors are increasingly important to consumers as the cars themselves
become so reliable as to become almost appliances
4) Interiors and trim are cheap and quick ways of altering the look and
functionality of cars in ways that do not involve government crash-testing,
emissions certification or other expensive compliance procedures.


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TeGGeR®


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