Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

W Bittle wrote:

>>Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
>>reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>>
>
> There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
> overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
> more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
> at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit.


Not so, quality is what they are know for and its what is driving it to
the #2 spot. Its actually a trademark almost, Toyotas are know the world
over as being reliable.


--








SENATOR ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent
conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for
re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller
said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and
grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he
wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with
governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will
vote for President Bush in 2004."

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

W Bittle wrote:

>>Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
>>reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>>
>
> There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
> overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
> more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
> at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit.


Not so, quality is what they are know for and its what is driving it to
the #2 spot. Its actually a trademark almost, Toyotas are know the world
over as being reliable.


--








SENATOR ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent
conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for
re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller
said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and
grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he
wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with
governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will
vote for President Bush in 2004."

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

W Bittle wrote:

>>Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
>>reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>>
>
> There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
> overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
> more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
> at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit.


Not so, quality is what they are know for and its what is driving it to
the #2 spot. Its actually a trademark almost, Toyotas are know the world
over as being reliable.


--








SENATOR ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent
conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for
re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller
said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and
grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he
wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with
governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will
vote for President Bush in 2004."

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:
>
> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
> to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
> noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
> same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
> is much thicker.

But TeGG, one has to ask, did the mirror really need to be that think in
the first place? Its not liek you'd want to hook a tow strap to it or
something/ ;-)

--








SENATOR ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent
conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for
re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller
said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and
grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he
wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with
governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will
vote for President Bush in 2004."

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:
>
> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
> to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
> noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
> same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
> is much thicker.

But TeGG, one has to ask, did the mirror really need to be that think in
the first place? Its not liek you'd want to hook a tow strap to it or
something/ ;-)

--








SENATOR ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent
conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for
re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller
said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and
grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he
wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with
governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will
vote for President Bush in 2004."

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:
>
> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
> to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
> noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
> same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
> is much thicker.

But TeGG, one has to ask, did the mirror really need to be that think in
the first place? Its not liek you'd want to hook a tow strap to it or
something/ ;-)

--








SENATOR ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent
conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for
re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller
said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and
grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he
wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with
governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will
vote for President Bush in 2004."

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:
>
> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
> to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
> noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
> same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
> is much thicker.

But TeGG, one has to ask, did the mirror really need to be that think in
the first place? Its not liek you'd want to hook a tow strap to it or
something/ ;-)

--








SENATOR ZELL MILLER DEMOCRAT OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent
conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for
re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller
said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and
grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he
wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with
governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will
vote for President Bush in 2004."

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

MDT Tech® <ssauer4O@repairman.com>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:hbDsb.11073$6c3.5978@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net:

> Tegger® wrote:
>>
>> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring
>> happened to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully
>> thin-sounding hollow noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it
>> once more, then did the same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra.
>> The Integra's mirror housing is much thicker.
>
> But TeGG, one has to ask, did the mirror really need to be that think
> in the first place? Its not liek you'd want to hook a tow strap to it
> or something/ ;-)
>


It's not a knock against Toyota. I'd suspect the new Hondas are the same.

It's that price pressure I mentioned before. My '91 was not built to quite
the same pressures. It has no airbags, for instance, so that's $1,500 off
the build price right there. Lots of money to make mirrors thicker.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

MDT Tech® <ssauer4O@repairman.com>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:hbDsb.11073$6c3.5978@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net:

> Tegger® wrote:
>>
>> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring
>> happened to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully
>> thin-sounding hollow noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it
>> once more, then did the same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra.
>> The Integra's mirror housing is much thicker.
>
> But TeGG, one has to ask, did the mirror really need to be that think
> in the first place? Its not liek you'd want to hook a tow strap to it
> or something/ ;-)
>


It's not a knock against Toyota. I'd suspect the new Hondas are the same.

It's that price pressure I mentioned before. My '91 was not built to quite
the same pressures. It has no airbags, for instance, so that's $1,500 off
the build price right there. Lots of money to make mirrors thicker.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

MDT Tech® <ssauer4O@repairman.com>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:hbDsb.11073$6c3.5978@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net:

> Tegger® wrote:
>>
>> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring
>> happened to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully
>> thin-sounding hollow noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it
>> once more, then did the same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra.
>> The Integra's mirror housing is much thicker.
>
> But TeGG, one has to ask, did the mirror really need to be that think
> in the first place? Its not liek you'd want to hook a tow strap to it
> or something/ ;-)
>


It's not a knock against Toyota. I'd suspect the new Hondas are the same.

It's that price pressure I mentioned before. My '91 was not built to quite
the same pressures. It has no airbags, for instance, so that's $1,500 off
the build price right there. Lots of money to make mirrors thicker.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

MDT Tech® <ssauer4O@repairman.com>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
news:hbDsb.11073$6c3.5978@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net:

> Tegger® wrote:
>>
>> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring
>> happened to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully
>> thin-sounding hollow noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it
>> once more, then did the same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra.
>> The Integra's mirror housing is much thicker.
>
> But TeGG, one has to ask, did the mirror really need to be that think
> in the first place? Its not liek you'd want to hook a tow strap to it
> or something/ ;-)
>


It's not a knock against Toyota. I'd suspect the new Hondas are the same.

It's that price pressure I mentioned before. My '91 was not built to quite
the same pressures. It has no airbags, for instance, so that's $1,500 off
the build price right there. Lots of money to make mirrors thicker.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <Xns9431CDC01F93Fteggeratistop@66.11.168.195>,
teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid says...
>It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
>to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
>noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
>same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
>is much thicker.
>
>--
>TeGGeR®


To be fair, the Tercel is one of the cheapest Toyota sold in the U.S., so they
have to cut corners. The Acura/Honda Integra is an upscale Honda Civic, so I
suppose better material should be used. The Tercel could be had for about $
10K to $13K, the Integra was about $16K and up. Hardly a fair comparison.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <Xns9431CDC01F93Fteggeratistop@66.11.168.195>,
teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid says...
>It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
>to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
>noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
>same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
>is much thicker.
>
>--
>TeGGeR®


To be fair, the Tercel is one of the cheapest Toyota sold in the U.S., so they
have to cut corners. The Acura/Honda Integra is an upscale Honda Civic, so I
suppose better material should be used. The Tercel could be had for about $
10K to $13K, the Integra was about $16K and up. Hardly a fair comparison.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <Xns9431CDC01F93Fteggeratistop@66.11.168.195>,
teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid says...
>It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
>to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
>noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
>same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
>is much thicker.
>
>--
>TeGGeR®


To be fair, the Tercel is one of the cheapest Toyota sold in the U.S., so they
have to cut corners. The Acura/Honda Integra is an upscale Honda Civic, so I
suppose better material should be used. The Tercel could be had for about $
10K to $13K, the Integra was about $16K and up. Hardly a fair comparison.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <Xns9431CDC01F93Fteggeratistop@66.11.168.195>,
teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid says...
>It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
>to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
>noise. So I went and tapped it again to hear it once more, then did the
>same thing to the mirror on the '91 Integra. The Integra's mirror housing
>is much thicker.
>
>--
>TeGGeR®


To be fair, the Tercel is one of the cheapest Toyota sold in the U.S., so they
have to cut corners. The Acura/Honda Integra is an upscale Honda Civic, so I
suppose better material should be used. The Tercel could be had for about $
10K to $13K, the Integra was about $16K and up. Hardly a fair comparison.