Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Timothy J. Lee wrote:

> In article <bUKsb.9199$nz.2555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
> Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
>>exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
>>such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.
>
>
> Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
> like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
> that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.

I personally love the Element except...

What were they thinking putting AWD in it and no real 4WD? Ag. So
close to getting everything right and worthless off-road.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Timothy J. Lee wrote:

> In article <bUKsb.9199$nz.2555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
> Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
>>exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
>>such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.
>
>
> Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
> like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
> that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.

I personally love the Element except...

What were they thinking putting AWD in it and no real 4WD? Ag. So
close to getting everything right and worthless off-road.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Timothy J. Lee wrote:

> In article <bUKsb.9199$nz.2555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
> Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
>>exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
>>such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.
>
>
> Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
> like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
> that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.

I personally love the Element except...

What were they thinking putting AWD in it and no real 4WD? Ag. So
close to getting everything right and worthless off-road.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <vr7mv8t86up78@news.supernews.com>, Dan J.S. wrote:
> I am really not so sure brightest minds work for Microsoft, because if this
> would be true, why did it take them 15+ years to finally have a stable
> operating system? Apple is hanging onto 1% market share and NEC is Japanese
> (so it should not even be here).

When did Microsoft come up with a stable operating system? What
happened to that XP thingy?

Apple holds about a 3% overall PC market share and a 7% laptop
share:

http://www.macnn.com/news/21595

They have been as high as 3.8% this year.

The fact remains, however, that the effective life of Macs is more than
double that of commodity PCs, which means Apple loyalists buy less often.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <vr7mv8t86up78@news.supernews.com>, Dan J.S. wrote:
> I am really not so sure brightest minds work for Microsoft, because if this
> would be true, why did it take them 15+ years to finally have a stable
> operating system? Apple is hanging onto 1% market share and NEC is Japanese
> (so it should not even be here).

When did Microsoft come up with a stable operating system? What
happened to that XP thingy?

Apple holds about a 3% overall PC market share and a 7% laptop
share:

http://www.macnn.com/news/21595

They have been as high as 3.8% this year.

The fact remains, however, that the effective life of Macs is more than
double that of commodity PCs, which means Apple loyalists buy less often.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <vr7mv8t86up78@news.supernews.com>, Dan J.S. wrote:
> I am really not so sure brightest minds work for Microsoft, because if this
> would be true, why did it take them 15+ years to finally have a stable
> operating system? Apple is hanging onto 1% market share and NEC is Japanese
> (so it should not even be here).

When did Microsoft come up with a stable operating system? What
happened to that XP thingy?

Apple holds about a 3% overall PC market share and a 7% laptop
share:

http://www.macnn.com/news/21595

They have been as high as 3.8% this year.

The fact remains, however, that the effective life of Macs is more than
double that of commodity PCs, which means Apple loyalists buy less often.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <vr7mv8t86up78@news.supernews.com>, Dan J.S. wrote:
> I am really not so sure brightest minds work for Microsoft, because if this
> would be true, why did it take them 15+ years to finally have a stable
> operating system? Apple is hanging onto 1% market share and NEC is Japanese
> (so it should not even be here).

When did Microsoft come up with a stable operating system? What
happened to that XP thingy?

Apple holds about a 3% overall PC market share and a 7% laptop
share:

http://www.macnn.com/news/21595

They have been as high as 3.8% this year.

The fact remains, however, that the effective life of Macs is more than
double that of commodity PCs, which means Apple loyalists buy less often.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In news:r8Qsb.1528$ge.69088@read2.cgocable.net,
Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> Philip® wrote:
>
> > In news:9FBsb.41$ge.18059@read2.cgocable.net,
> > Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> >
> > > > Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built
> > > > in a Fremont, CA UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture.
> > > > You know what happens when GM and UAW get together to build
> > > > a vehicle.
> >
> >
> > What happens is... people such as yourself start regurgitating
> > bigotry as it has been spoon fed to you.
> >
> PHILIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Please be more carefull when you snip posts!
> I DID NOT MAKE THAT COMMENT, I REPLIED TO THAT QUOTE IN MY POST.
> YOU SNIPPED THE MESSAGE AND ADDED YOU COMMENT RIGHT AFTER MY NAME
> AND EMAIL.
>
> If you go back to my original post this is very clear.

My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In news:r8Qsb.1528$ge.69088@read2.cgocable.net,
Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> Philip® wrote:
>
> > In news:9FBsb.41$ge.18059@read2.cgocable.net,
> > Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> >
> > > > Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built
> > > > in a Fremont, CA UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture.
> > > > You know what happens when GM and UAW get together to build
> > > > a vehicle.
> >
> >
> > What happens is... people such as yourself start regurgitating
> > bigotry as it has been spoon fed to you.
> >
> PHILIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Please be more carefull when you snip posts!
> I DID NOT MAKE THAT COMMENT, I REPLIED TO THAT QUOTE IN MY POST.
> YOU SNIPPED THE MESSAGE AND ADDED YOU COMMENT RIGHT AFTER MY NAME
> AND EMAIL.
>
> If you go back to my original post this is very clear.

My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In news:r8Qsb.1528$ge.69088@read2.cgocable.net,
Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> Philip® wrote:
>
> > In news:9FBsb.41$ge.18059@read2.cgocable.net,
> > Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> >
> > > > Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built
> > > > in a Fremont, CA UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture.
> > > > You know what happens when GM and UAW get together to build
> > > > a vehicle.
> >
> >
> > What happens is... people such as yourself start regurgitating
> > bigotry as it has been spoon fed to you.
> >
> PHILIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Please be more carefull when you snip posts!
> I DID NOT MAKE THAT COMMENT, I REPLIED TO THAT QUOTE IN MY POST.
> YOU SNIPPED THE MESSAGE AND ADDED YOU COMMENT RIGHT AFTER MY NAME
> AND EMAIL.
>
> If you go back to my original post this is very clear.

My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In news:r8Qsb.1528$ge.69088@read2.cgocable.net,
Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> Philip® wrote:
>
> > In news:9FBsb.41$ge.18059@read2.cgocable.net,
> > Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> >
> > > > Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built
> > > > in a Fremont, CA UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture.
> > > > You know what happens when GM and UAW get together to build
> > > > a vehicle.
> >
> >
> > What happens is... people such as yourself start regurgitating
> > bigotry as it has been spoon fed to you.
> >
> PHILIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Please be more carefull when you snip posts!
> I DID NOT MAKE THAT COMMENT, I REPLIED TO THAT QUOTE IN MY POST.
> YOU SNIPPED THE MESSAGE AND ADDED YOU COMMENT RIGHT AFTER MY NAME
> AND EMAIL.
>
> If you go back to my original post this is very clear.

My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote
> > > Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out,
> Japan
> > > and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest
engineers
> > go
> > > work for auto manufacturers.
> > >
> > > In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.
> >
> > In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
> > and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
> > for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
> > and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.
> >
> > Floyd
> >
>
> I am not dreaming the letter. It was really there.

So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
a capacitor to fix it.

I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
response.

Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
40 years you'd think they could get it right.

Floyd

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote
> > > Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out,
> Japan
> > > and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest
engineers
> > go
> > > work for auto manufacturers.
> > >
> > > In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.
> >
> > In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
> > and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
> > for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
> > and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.
> >
> > Floyd
> >
>
> I am not dreaming the letter. It was really there.

So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
a capacitor to fix it.

I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
response.

Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
40 years you'd think they could get it right.

Floyd

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote
> > > Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out,
> Japan
> > > and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest
engineers
> > go
> > > work for auto manufacturers.
> > >
> > > In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.
> >
> > In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
> > and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
> > for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
> > and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.
> >
> > Floyd
> >
>
> I am not dreaming the letter. It was really there.

So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
a capacitor to fix it.

I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
response.

Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
40 years you'd think they could get it right.

Floyd

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote
> > > Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out,
> Japan
> > > and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest
engineers
> > go
> > > work for auto manufacturers.
> > >
> > > In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.
> >
> > In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
> > and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
> > for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
> > and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.
> >
> > Floyd
> >
>
> I am not dreaming the letter. It was really there.

So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
a capacitor to fix it.

I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
response.

Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
40 years you'd think they could get it right.

Floyd