Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
> to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
> IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
> computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
> a capacitor to fix it.
>
> I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
> that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
> do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
> was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
> that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
> response.
>
> Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
> there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
> ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
> 40 years you'd think they could get it right.
>
> Floyd
>

But doesn't the US still have the most advanced military equipment in the
world? I don't ever remember an M1 Abrams break down - I was in desert Storm
(of course us Marines were still in the good old M60s). The war machine that
the U.S. has is really high tech. I am just quoting a letter, which put some
light on this issue. I still agree that for most part, American car industry
is doing catch up.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
> to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
> IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
> computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
> a capacitor to fix it.
>
> I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
> that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
> do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
> was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
> that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
> response.
>
> Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
> there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
> ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
> 40 years you'd think they could get it right.
>
> Floyd
>

But doesn't the US still have the most advanced military equipment in the
world? I don't ever remember an M1 Abrams break down - I was in desert Storm
(of course us Marines were still in the good old M60s). The war machine that
the U.S. has is really high tech. I am just quoting a letter, which put some
light on this issue. I still agree that for most part, American car industry
is doing catch up.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
> to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
> IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
> computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
> a capacitor to fix it.
>
> I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
> that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
> do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
> was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
> that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
> response.
>
> Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
> there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
> ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
> 40 years you'd think they could get it right.
>
> Floyd
>

But doesn't the US still have the most advanced military equipment in the
world? I don't ever remember an M1 Abrams break down - I was in desert Storm
(of course us Marines were still in the good old M60s). The war machine that
the U.S. has is really high tech. I am just quoting a letter, which put some
light on this issue. I still agree that for most part, American car industry
is doing catch up.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> So, you wanna work on the AWACS plane? When it was delivered
> to the AF in 1978 or so, it's computer was essentially - *AND STILL
> IS TO THIS DAY* essentially an IBM 360 using 1970 tech. If a
> computer went out the techs often went down to Radio Shack for
> a capacitor to fix it.
>
> I had a manager - this guy had a PhD in Math - that couldn't understand
> that, if a compiler (under development) could do 1+2=2, it could also
> do 2+2=4. We had other managers that believed that assembly code
> was the only way to go to make tight code - they never could believe
> that the *algorithms* and *requirements* dictated the slow system
> response.
>
> Basically, 10% of us did 90% of the work, because 90% of the people
> there were incapable. Nothing has changed since then - have you
> ever noticed that the Star Wars interceptors still don't work; after
> 40 years you'd think they could get it right.
>
> Floyd
>

But doesn't the US still have the most advanced military equipment in the
world? I don't ever remember an M1 Abrams break down - I was in desert Storm
(of course us Marines were still in the good old M60s). The war machine that
the U.S. has is really high tech. I am just quoting a letter, which put some
light on this issue. I still agree that for most part, American car industry
is doing catch up.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <QKQsb.11630$6c3.9998@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>GM is the landlord and primary customer, Toyota is the product
>designer and production manager, and NUMMI is the legal entity acting
>as liaison between GM, Toyota, UAW, and the IRS. I toured NUMMI in
>June of 2002 and purchased the Corolla in Sept of 2002. Liked what I
>saw over all. I've also toured the Ford plant in Atlanta (was a
>Taurus plant in 1989) and the Corvette plant in Bowling Green, KY.
>The Ford tour did nothing to favorably impress me. Come to think of
>it, I also had several "backdoor tours" of the GM plant in South Gate
>... years ago (1978?). Yikes! You are making accusations that are
>not universal and particularly so regarding NUMMI. Perhaps you don't
>know the history of that plant when GM ran it ... and finally had to
>close it down. Cling to your bigotry, it's your comfortable zone.
>--
>
> ~~Philip


Bigotry only belongs to someone like you. You refuse to face the fact that
Toyota is making quality automobiles and gaining market share in the U.S.
Consumer Reports surveys 600,000 auto owners. The result speaks the truth.
We need to wake up and compete, not to be ignorant like you.

Just because GM/UAW gave you some kind of "backdoor tours" (I don't wanna
know) in their plants shouldn't slant your view about GM/UAW quality. Instead
of touring the useless plants, go to your local library and read the April
issue of Consumer Reports.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <QKQsb.11630$6c3.9998@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>GM is the landlord and primary customer, Toyota is the product
>designer and production manager, and NUMMI is the legal entity acting
>as liaison between GM, Toyota, UAW, and the IRS. I toured NUMMI in
>June of 2002 and purchased the Corolla in Sept of 2002. Liked what I
>saw over all. I've also toured the Ford plant in Atlanta (was a
>Taurus plant in 1989) and the Corvette plant in Bowling Green, KY.
>The Ford tour did nothing to favorably impress me. Come to think of
>it, I also had several "backdoor tours" of the GM plant in South Gate
>... years ago (1978?). Yikes! You are making accusations that are
>not universal and particularly so regarding NUMMI. Perhaps you don't
>know the history of that plant when GM ran it ... and finally had to
>close it down. Cling to your bigotry, it's your comfortable zone.
>--
>
> ~~Philip


Bigotry only belongs to someone like you. You refuse to face the fact that
Toyota is making quality automobiles and gaining market share in the U.S.
Consumer Reports surveys 600,000 auto owners. The result speaks the truth.
We need to wake up and compete, not to be ignorant like you.

Just because GM/UAW gave you some kind of "backdoor tours" (I don't wanna
know) in their plants shouldn't slant your view about GM/UAW quality. Instead
of touring the useless plants, go to your local library and read the April
issue of Consumer Reports.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <QKQsb.11630$6c3.9998@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>GM is the landlord and primary customer, Toyota is the product
>designer and production manager, and NUMMI is the legal entity acting
>as liaison between GM, Toyota, UAW, and the IRS. I toured NUMMI in
>June of 2002 and purchased the Corolla in Sept of 2002. Liked what I
>saw over all. I've also toured the Ford plant in Atlanta (was a
>Taurus plant in 1989) and the Corvette plant in Bowling Green, KY.
>The Ford tour did nothing to favorably impress me. Come to think of
>it, I also had several "backdoor tours" of the GM plant in South Gate
>... years ago (1978?). Yikes! You are making accusations that are
>not universal and particularly so regarding NUMMI. Perhaps you don't
>know the history of that plant when GM ran it ... and finally had to
>close it down. Cling to your bigotry, it's your comfortable zone.
>--
>
> ~~Philip


Bigotry only belongs to someone like you. You refuse to face the fact that
Toyota is making quality automobiles and gaining market share in the U.S.
Consumer Reports surveys 600,000 auto owners. The result speaks the truth.
We need to wake up and compete, not to be ignorant like you.

Just because GM/UAW gave you some kind of "backdoor tours" (I don't wanna
know) in their plants shouldn't slant your view about GM/UAW quality. Instead
of touring the useless plants, go to your local library and read the April
issue of Consumer Reports.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <QKQsb.11630$6c3.9998@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>GM is the landlord and primary customer, Toyota is the product
>designer and production manager, and NUMMI is the legal entity acting
>as liaison between GM, Toyota, UAW, and the IRS. I toured NUMMI in
>June of 2002 and purchased the Corolla in Sept of 2002. Liked what I
>saw over all. I've also toured the Ford plant in Atlanta (was a
>Taurus plant in 1989) and the Corvette plant in Bowling Green, KY.
>The Ford tour did nothing to favorably impress me. Come to think of
>it, I also had several "backdoor tours" of the GM plant in South Gate
>... years ago (1978?). Yikes! You are making accusations that are
>not universal and particularly so regarding NUMMI. Perhaps you don't
>know the history of that plant when GM ran it ... and finally had to
>close it down. Cling to your bigotry, it's your comfortable zone.
>--
>
> ~~Philip


Bigotry only belongs to someone like you. You refuse to face the fact that
Toyota is making quality automobiles and gaining market share in the U.S.
Consumer Reports surveys 600,000 auto owners. The result speaks the truth.
We need to wake up and compete, not to be ignorant like you.

Just because GM/UAW gave you some kind of "backdoor tours" (I don't wanna
know) in their plants shouldn't slant your view about GM/UAW quality. Instead
of touring the useless plants, go to your local library and read the April
issue of Consumer Reports.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <v9Ssb.11731$6c3.4260@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
>--
>
> ~~Philip


You should be.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <v9Ssb.11731$6c3.4260@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
>--
>
> ~~Philip


You should be.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <v9Ssb.11731$6c3.4260@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
>--
>
> ~~Philip


You should be.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <v9Ssb.11731$6c3.4260@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
>--
>
> ~~Philip


You should be.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <g6Rsb.9428$nz.6467@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
josephoberlander@earthlink.net says...
>>
>> Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
>> like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
>> that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.
>
>I personally love the Element except...
>
>What were they thinking putting AWD in it and no real 4WD? Ag. So
>close to getting everything right and worthless off-road.
>

It's got very low clearance so it's really not designed to go offroad. Its
gas tank also hangs dangerously low underneath. Hopefully its AWD system will
do OK on beach sand.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <g6Rsb.9428$nz.6467@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
josephoberlander@earthlink.net says...
>>
>> Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
>> like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
>> that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.
>
>I personally love the Element except...
>
>What were they thinking putting AWD in it and no real 4WD? Ag. So
>close to getting everything right and worthless off-road.
>

It's got very low clearance so it's really not designed to go offroad. Its
gas tank also hangs dangerously low underneath. Hopefully its AWD system will
do OK on beach sand.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <g6Rsb.9428$nz.6467@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
josephoberlander@earthlink.net says...
>>
>> Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
>> like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
>> that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.
>
>I personally love the Element except...
>
>What were they thinking putting AWD in it and no real 4WD? Ag. So
>close to getting everything right and worthless off-road.
>

It's got very low clearance so it's really not designed to go offroad. Its
gas tank also hangs dangerously low underneath. Hopefully its AWD system will
do OK on beach sand.