Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"

Thanks. I guess I wouldn't care about being called a bigot if I was one.

\Big"ot*ry\, n. [Cf. F. bigoterie.]
1. The state of mind of a bigot; obstinate and unreasoning
attachment of one's own belief and opinions, with
narrow-minded intolerance of beliefs opposed to them.
2. The practice or tenets of a bigot.

Still, I'm not sure what the bigtry refered to was. Was it agains
"foreing" cars or was it anti-union workers?

If it was about the country of manufacture, that's just stupid, although
you might be tempted to generalize and say the German cars are better
than NA cars, and of course get into a huge flame war. Please don't say
that I said that, it's just an example.

As for the union situation, I would argue that in some cases a unionized
labour force constantly butting heads with management is not a healthy
environment for quality or cost consciousness. Management needs to treat
workers fairly. Labour needs to see the big picture beyond the next pay
cheque or overtime bonus.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> My apologies. I'll be more careful. |^ (
> --
>
> ~~Philip "Never let school interfere
> with your education - Mark Twain"

Thanks. I guess I wouldn't care about being called a bigot if I was one.

\Big"ot*ry\, n. [Cf. F. bigoterie.]
1. The state of mind of a bigot; obstinate and unreasoning
attachment of one's own belief and opinions, with
narrow-minded intolerance of beliefs opposed to them.
2. The practice or tenets of a bigot.

Still, I'm not sure what the bigtry refered to was. Was it agains
"foreing" cars or was it anti-union workers?

If it was about the country of manufacture, that's just stupid, although
you might be tempted to generalize and say the German cars are better
than NA cars, and of course get into a huge flame war. Please don't say
that I said that, it's just an example.

As for the union situation, I would argue that in some cases a unionized
labour force constantly butting heads with management is not a healthy
environment for quality or cost consciousness. Management needs to treat
workers fairly. Labour needs to see the big picture beyond the next pay
cheque or overtime bonus.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <hJWsb.9799$nz.4741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>, 1chip-state
1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>Nobody of experience gives Consumer Reports much credence. They are
>handy ... but not much more. I've seen them print laughable reviews
>while other times they get it close to right. That publication
>should never make up your mind.
>
>The back door tours I got of GM Southgate back in '78 was when I had
>a part time job picking up special deliveries of parts baskets from
>LAX and running them (often late at night) to the plant. GM
>Southgate at that time was a shoddy place by any standard. It was
>soon closed.
>
>Take this to the bank, friend .... what you learn in a library is
>only icing on the cake ... after a factory tour, especially an
>unguided tour. I also took an unguided tour of Ford's truck assembly
>plant in Richmond, VA (1989?). Damned JIT delivery. But I didn't
>let that layover time turn into wasted time. :-)
>--
>
> ~~Philip


So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual survey on quality and
reliability? They survey 600,000 people each year vs. you. You consider
their reviews and surveys are "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the
truth. CR has 4 million paid subscribers.

You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR campaign. To get
a real education, go to the library or go back to school. Getting backdoor
treatment at UAW plants only increase your usage of Preparation H.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <hJWsb.9799$nz.4741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>, 1chip-state
1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>Nobody of experience gives Consumer Reports much credence. They are
>handy ... but not much more. I've seen them print laughable reviews
>while other times they get it close to right. That publication
>should never make up your mind.
>
>The back door tours I got of GM Southgate back in '78 was when I had
>a part time job picking up special deliveries of parts baskets from
>LAX and running them (often late at night) to the plant. GM
>Southgate at that time was a shoddy place by any standard. It was
>soon closed.
>
>Take this to the bank, friend .... what you learn in a library is
>only icing on the cake ... after a factory tour, especially an
>unguided tour. I also took an unguided tour of Ford's truck assembly
>plant in Richmond, VA (1989?). Damned JIT delivery. But I didn't
>let that layover time turn into wasted time. :-)
>--
>
> ~~Philip


So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual survey on quality and
reliability? They survey 600,000 people each year vs. you. You consider
their reviews and surveys are "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the
truth. CR has 4 million paid subscribers.

You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR campaign. To get
a real education, go to the library or go back to school. Getting backdoor
treatment at UAW plants only increase your usage of Preparation H.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <hJWsb.9799$nz.4741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>, 1chip-state
1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>Nobody of experience gives Consumer Reports much credence. They are
>handy ... but not much more. I've seen them print laughable reviews
>while other times they get it close to right. That publication
>should never make up your mind.
>
>The back door tours I got of GM Southgate back in '78 was when I had
>a part time job picking up special deliveries of parts baskets from
>LAX and running them (often late at night) to the plant. GM
>Southgate at that time was a shoddy place by any standard. It was
>soon closed.
>
>Take this to the bank, friend .... what you learn in a library is
>only icing on the cake ... after a factory tour, especially an
>unguided tour. I also took an unguided tour of Ford's truck assembly
>plant in Richmond, VA (1989?). Damned JIT delivery. But I didn't
>let that layover time turn into wasted time. :-)
>--
>
> ~~Philip


So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual survey on quality and
reliability? They survey 600,000 people each year vs. you. You consider
their reviews and surveys are "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the
truth. CR has 4 million paid subscribers.

You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR campaign. To get
a real education, go to the library or go back to school. Getting backdoor
treatment at UAW plants only increase your usage of Preparation H.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <hJWsb.9799$nz.4741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>, 1chip-state
1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>Nobody of experience gives Consumer Reports much credence. They are
>handy ... but not much more. I've seen them print laughable reviews
>while other times they get it close to right. That publication
>should never make up your mind.
>
>The back door tours I got of GM Southgate back in '78 was when I had
>a part time job picking up special deliveries of parts baskets from
>LAX and running them (often late at night) to the plant. GM
>Southgate at that time was a shoddy place by any standard. It was
>soon closed.
>
>Take this to the bank, friend .... what you learn in a library is
>only icing on the cake ... after a factory tour, especially an
>unguided tour. I also took an unguided tour of Ford's truck assembly
>plant in Richmond, VA (1989?). Damned JIT delivery. But I didn't
>let that layover time turn into wasted time. :-)
>--
>
> ~~Philip


So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual survey on quality and
reliability? They survey 600,000 people each year vs. you. You consider
their reviews and surveys are "laughable" because *you* refuse to face the
truth. CR has 4 million paid subscribers.

You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR campaign. To get
a real education, go to the library or go back to school. Getting backdoor
treatment at UAW plants only increase your usage of Preparation H.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

HarrierAWD wrote:

> It's got very low clearance so it's really not designed to go offroad. Its
> gas tank also hangs dangerously low underneath. Hopefully its AWD system will
> do OK on beach sand.

Like I said - so close to having a budget vehicle that could compete with
the Liberty and XTerra. The rest of the car, including the interior are
perfect for a budget off-road thrasher. Too bad it's not good for off-road use.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

HarrierAWD wrote:

> It's got very low clearance so it's really not designed to go offroad. Its
> gas tank also hangs dangerously low underneath. Hopefully its AWD system will
> do OK on beach sand.

Like I said - so close to having a budget vehicle that could compete with
the Liberty and XTerra. The rest of the car, including the interior are
perfect for a budget off-road thrasher. Too bad it's not good for off-road use.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

HarrierAWD wrote:

> It's got very low clearance so it's really not designed to go offroad. Its
> gas tank also hangs dangerously low underneath. Hopefully its AWD system will
> do OK on beach sand.

Like I said - so close to having a budget vehicle that could compete with
the Liberty and XTerra. The rest of the car, including the interior are
perfect for a budget off-road thrasher. Too bad it's not good for off-road use.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

HarrierAWD wrote:

> It's got very low clearance so it's really not designed to go offroad. Its
> gas tank also hangs dangerously low underneath. Hopefully its AWD system will
> do OK on beach sand.

Like I said - so close to having a budget vehicle that could compete with
the Liberty and XTerra. The rest of the car, including the interior are
perfect for a budget off-road thrasher. Too bad it's not good for off-road use.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development. Complacency.
>
> Floyd
>

Floyd, this is very true.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development. Complacency.
>
> Floyd
>

Floyd, this is very true.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development. Complacency.
>
> Floyd
>

Floyd, this is very true.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> The main problem I see with the US's auto industry is that they
> have always been too focused on current profits and haven't
> spent enough on R&D and product development. Complacency.
>
> Floyd
>

Floyd, this is very true.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In news:y-ednRjVQ8Ph7ymiRVn-vg@comcast.com,
HarrierAWD <harrierawd@giganews.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
> In article <hJWsb.9799$nz.4741@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
> 1chip-state 1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
> >
> > Nobody of experience gives Consumer Reports much credence. They
> > are handy ... but not much more. I've seen them print laughable
> > reviews while other times they get it close to right. That
> > publication should never make up your mind.
> >
> > The back door tours I got of GM Southgate back in '78 was when I
> > had a part time job picking up special deliveries of parts
> > baskets from LAX and running them (often late at night) to the
> > plant. GM Southgate at that time was a shoddy place by any
> > standard. It was soon closed.
> >
> > Take this to the bank, friend .... what you learn in a library is
> > only icing on the cake ... after a factory tour, especially an
> > unguided tour. I also took an unguided tour of Ford's truck
> > assembly plant in Richmond, VA (1989?). Damned JIT delivery.
> > But I didn't let that layover time turn into wasted time. :-)
> > --
> >
> > ~~Philip
>
>
> So *you* have more credence than Consumer Reports annual survey on
> quality and reliability? They survey 600,000 people each year vs.
> you. You consider their reviews and surveys are "laughable"
> because *you* refuse to face the truth. CR has 4 million paid
> subscribers.
>
> You learn nothing at plant tour. It's just auto maker's PR
> campaign. To get a real education, go to the library or go back
> to school. Getting backdoor treatment at UAW plants only increase
> your usage of Preparation H.

CR's automotive division is a handful of evaluators and editors.
They have their biases. They also have their priorities which often
differ from mine. My point is you bless CR with far more credibility
than they deserve.

A visit to an assembly line is not valuable to a person with
underdeveloped engineering or mechanical skills. So, I will note
your projections with that apparent deficiency in mind.

--

~~Philip "Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"