Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <6DCsb.11036$6c3.4720@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>In news:9FBsb.41$ge.18059@read2.cgocable.net,
>Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> > Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built in a
>> > Fremont, CA UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture. You know
>> > what happens when GM and UAW get together to build a vehicle.
>
>What happens is... people such as yourself start regurgitating
>bigotry as it has been spoon fed to you.
>
>I bought new a 1990 Geo Prizm and in the subsequent 12 years, put
>285,000 miles on it. The ONLY major repair was the automatic
>transmission at 180,000 miles and one water pump at 160,000 miles.
>Sold the car for $1000. That was a NUMMI built car. Following that
>impressive ownership, I replaced the Prizm with a 2003 Corolla...
>also a NUMMI built car. So far, the only failure has been a rear
>wheel bearing assembly at 15,000 miles (warranty). I have put 31,800
>miles on the car in 14½ months.
>
>Someday, DO tour the NUMMI plant like I did. NUMMI builds cars and
>trucks per Toyota's blueprint. NUMMI is a builder/assembler.... not
>a designer.


Why would you want to tour an NUMMI plant??? Can't afford Disneyland? NUMMI
being the builder is exactly the problem. Having rear wheel bearing failed at
only 15,000 miles speaks for itself about the build quality.

Fact is that Toyota's non-union shops in the *U.S.* continue to churn out
quality automobiles, while GM/UAW shops continue to crank out craps. That's
the fact, period. Consumer Reports annual survey is far more credible than
your story.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <6DCsb.11036$6c3.4720@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>In news:9FBsb.41$ge.18059@read2.cgocable.net,
>Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> > Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built in a
>> > Fremont, CA UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture. You know
>> > what happens when GM and UAW get together to build a vehicle.
>
>What happens is... people such as yourself start regurgitating
>bigotry as it has been spoon fed to you.
>
>I bought new a 1990 Geo Prizm and in the subsequent 12 years, put
>285,000 miles on it. The ONLY major repair was the automatic
>transmission at 180,000 miles and one water pump at 160,000 miles.
>Sold the car for $1000. That was a NUMMI built car. Following that
>impressive ownership, I replaced the Prizm with a 2003 Corolla...
>also a NUMMI built car. So far, the only failure has been a rear
>wheel bearing assembly at 15,000 miles (warranty). I have put 31,800
>miles on the car in 14½ months.
>
>Someday, DO tour the NUMMI plant like I did. NUMMI builds cars and
>trucks per Toyota's blueprint. NUMMI is a builder/assembler.... not
>a designer.


Why would you want to tour an NUMMI plant??? Can't afford Disneyland? NUMMI
being the builder is exactly the problem. Having rear wheel bearing failed at
only 15,000 miles speaks for itself about the build quality.

Fact is that Toyota's non-union shops in the *U.S.* continue to churn out
quality automobiles, while GM/UAW shops continue to crank out craps. That's
the fact, period. Consumer Reports annual survey is far more credible than
your story.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <6DCsb.11036$6c3.4720@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>In news:9FBsb.41$ge.18059@read2.cgocable.net,
>Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> > Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built in a
>> > Fremont, CA UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture. You know
>> > what happens when GM and UAW get together to build a vehicle.
>
>What happens is... people such as yourself start regurgitating
>bigotry as it has been spoon fed to you.
>
>I bought new a 1990 Geo Prizm and in the subsequent 12 years, put
>285,000 miles on it. The ONLY major repair was the automatic
>transmission at 180,000 miles and one water pump at 160,000 miles.
>Sold the car for $1000. That was a NUMMI built car. Following that
>impressive ownership, I replaced the Prizm with a 2003 Corolla...
>also a NUMMI built car. So far, the only failure has been a rear
>wheel bearing assembly at 15,000 miles (warranty). I have put 31,800
>miles on the car in 14½ months.
>
>Someday, DO tour the NUMMI plant like I did. NUMMI builds cars and
>trucks per Toyota's blueprint. NUMMI is a builder/assembler.... not
>a designer.


Why would you want to tour an NUMMI plant??? Can't afford Disneyland? NUMMI
being the builder is exactly the problem. Having rear wheel bearing failed at
only 15,000 miles speaks for itself about the build quality.

Fact is that Toyota's non-union shops in the *U.S.* continue to churn out
quality automobiles, while GM/UAW shops continue to crank out craps. That's
the fact, period. Consumer Reports annual survey is far more credible than
your story.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <6DCsb.11036$6c3.4720@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>, 1chip-
state1@earthlink.net.invalid says...
>
>In news:9FBsb.41$ge.18059@read2.cgocable.net,
>Tom Burns <tburnz874@hotmail.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
>> > Well, the Toyota Matrix really isn't a Toyota. It's built in a
>> > Fremont, CA UAW plant under a GM/Toyota joint venture. You know
>> > what happens when GM and UAW get together to build a vehicle.
>
>What happens is... people such as yourself start regurgitating
>bigotry as it has been spoon fed to you.
>
>I bought new a 1990 Geo Prizm and in the subsequent 12 years, put
>285,000 miles on it. The ONLY major repair was the automatic
>transmission at 180,000 miles and one water pump at 160,000 miles.
>Sold the car for $1000. That was a NUMMI built car. Following that
>impressive ownership, I replaced the Prizm with a 2003 Corolla...
>also a NUMMI built car. So far, the only failure has been a rear
>wheel bearing assembly at 15,000 miles (warranty). I have put 31,800
>miles on the car in 14½ months.
>
>Someday, DO tour the NUMMI plant like I did. NUMMI builds cars and
>trucks per Toyota's blueprint. NUMMI is a builder/assembler.... not
>a designer.


Why would you want to tour an NUMMI plant??? Can't afford Disneyland? NUMMI
being the builder is exactly the problem. Having rear wheel bearing failed at
only 15,000 miles speaks for itself about the build quality.

Fact is that Toyota's non-union shops in the *U.S.* continue to churn out
quality automobiles, while GM/UAW shops continue to crank out craps. That's
the fact, period. Consumer Reports annual survey is far more credible than
your story.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>
There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
driving vehicle.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>
There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
driving vehicle.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>
There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
driving vehicle.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

> Yes. American automakers need to stop making crap. For some strange
> reason people seem drawn to quality, service and value.
>
There are some American vehicles that do perform well with respect to
overall quality, but they are few. What bothers me is that Toyota is looking
more at the profit margen. It seems every time a company starts looking more
at that, quality takes a hit in favor of profit. So, you start getting the
problems. I drove a Toyota Matrix, and I can tell you this, It is not built
as well as either of my Hondas. The plastic trim on the dash and doors is
like paper and the interior in general feels cheaper. It was a nice vehicle,
but I would much rather have a Honda. The only other vehicle that came close
to a Honda was the Nissan Spec V I drove. That was a nice built and nice
driving vehicle.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:

> One easy target for cost-cutting is trim and interiors.
> 1) Interiors are not exposed to the weather
> 2) Interiors and trim are subject to only the most basic governmental
> regulation (other than air-bags)
> 3) Interiors are increasingly important to consumers as the cars themselves
> become so reliable as to become almost appliances
> 4) Interiors and trim are cheap and quick ways of altering the look and
> functionality of cars in ways that do not involve government crash-testing,
> emissions certification or other expensive compliance procedures.

You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:

> One easy target for cost-cutting is trim and interiors.
> 1) Interiors are not exposed to the weather
> 2) Interiors and trim are subject to only the most basic governmental
> regulation (other than air-bags)
> 3) Interiors are increasingly important to consumers as the cars themselves
> become so reliable as to become almost appliances
> 4) Interiors and trim are cheap and quick ways of altering the look and
> functionality of cars in ways that do not involve government crash-testing,
> emissions certification or other expensive compliance procedures.

You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:

> One easy target for cost-cutting is trim and interiors.
> 1) Interiors are not exposed to the weather
> 2) Interiors and trim are subject to only the most basic governmental
> regulation (other than air-bags)
> 3) Interiors are increasingly important to consumers as the cars themselves
> become so reliable as to become almost appliances
> 4) Interiors and trim are cheap and quick ways of altering the look and
> functionality of cars in ways that do not involve government crash-testing,
> emissions certification or other expensive compliance procedures.

You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:

> One easy target for cost-cutting is trim and interiors.
> 1) Interiors are not exposed to the weather
> 2) Interiors and trim are subject to only the most basic governmental
> regulation (other than air-bags)
> 3) Interiors are increasingly important to consumers as the cars themselves
> become so reliable as to become almost appliances
> 4) Interiors and trim are cheap and quick ways of altering the look and
> functionality of cars in ways that do not involve government crash-testing,
> emissions certification or other expensive compliance procedures.

You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"elmo" <m@vfd.com> wrote in message
news:Sqdsb.34987$vn.74560@sea-read.news.verio.net...
>
> http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazi...8001_mz001.htm
> An inside look at how it's reinventing the auto industry.
>

Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers go
work for auto manufacturers.

In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"elmo" <m@vfd.com> wrote in message
news:Sqdsb.34987$vn.74560@sea-read.news.verio.net...
>
> http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazi...8001_mz001.htm
> An inside look at how it's reinventing the auto industry.
>

Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers go
work for auto manufacturers.

In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"elmo" <m@vfd.com> wrote in message
news:Sqdsb.34987$vn.74560@sea-read.news.verio.net...
>
> http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazi...8001_mz001.htm
> An inside look at how it's reinventing the auto industry.
>

Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers go
work for auto manufacturers.

In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.