Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"elmo" <m@vfd.com> wrote in message
news:Sqdsb.34987$vn.74560@sea-read.news.verio.net...
>
> http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazi...8001_mz001.htm
> An inside look at how it's reinventing the auto industry.
>

Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers go
work for auto manufacturers.

In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote
> "elmo" <m@vfd.com> wrote
> > http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazi...8001_mz001.htm
> > An inside look at how it's reinventing the auto industry.
> >
>
> Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
> and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers
go
> work for auto manufacturers.
>
> In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.

In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.

Floyd

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote
> "elmo" <m@vfd.com> wrote
> > http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazi...8001_mz001.htm
> > An inside look at how it's reinventing the auto industry.
> >
>
> Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
> and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers
go
> work for auto manufacturers.
>
> In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.

In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.

Floyd

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote
> "elmo" <m@vfd.com> wrote
> > http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazi...8001_mz001.htm
> > An inside look at how it's reinventing the auto industry.
> >
>
> Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
> and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers
go
> work for auto manufacturers.
>
> In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.

In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.

Floyd

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote
> "elmo" <m@vfd.com> wrote
> > http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazi...8001_mz001.htm
> > An inside look at how it's reinventing the auto industry.
> >
>
> Latest Car and Driver had a great letter. In it someone pointed out, Japan
> and Germany is forbidden from building armies. Their brightest engineers
go
> work for auto manufacturers.
>
> In the U.S. , brightest minds go to work for defense companies.

In your dreams. I've worked at Boeing and in the high-tech industries,
and there is no comparison - best and brightest computer people work
for Apple, Intel, Microsoft, NEC. If it is the same for manufacturing
and mechanical design, I'd put my money on the auto-industry people.

Floyd

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <bUKsb.9199$nz.2555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
>exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
>such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.

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Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <bUKsb.9199$nz.2555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
>exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
>such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.

--
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Timothy J. Lee
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <bUKsb.9199$nz.2555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
>exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
>such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Timothy J. Lee
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

In article <bUKsb.9199$nz.2555@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote:
>You'll note that Ford's SUVs from the Escape to the Excursion all have the
>exact same worthless interior. Trim lines add leather and sunroofs and
>such, but nothing to the basic worthless bare bones plasticky interior.

Although it would make sense for an SUV to have an easy-clean interior
like the Wrangler or Element (or old SUV), as opposed to a "nice" interior
that gets dirty easily and is hard to clean.

--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Timothy J. Lee
Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome.
No warranty of any kind is provided with this message.

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote in message news:<Xns9431CDC01F93Fteggeratistop@66.11.168.195> ...
> "W Bittle" <wbittle1@alltel.net>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
> news:1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com:
>
> >
> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
> to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
> noise.
This is not an accident. It's an intentional :) Years ago I studied
up on statistical quality control. The Japanese are the masters of
the game (yes, I know all about Deming). They are totally
Manic-Depressive. If a part DOESN'T break it is made too well and
should be cheapened up. If a part DOES break it needs to be improved.
The number of miles a car is supposed to last is a closely guarded
secret. 60K, 100K, 150K? Who knows? You want all the parts to have
the same lifetime. No use having your turn signal lever outlast your
trunk lid. They expect parts prices to go down 10% a year, or
whatever, through automation and more advanced production techniques.
They really put the fear of switching contractors in their suppliers.
These guys do not believe in waste. They make the people at
misc.consumers.frugal-living look like drunken lottery winners. They
sweat the small stuff. Productivity increases that eventually
eliminate your own job are just a fact of life. I did some of this as
an American engineer. I doubt much of this will ever go on in
American auto factories. Automation and productivity are so high that
you can have high unemployment and abundent goods and services.
Welcome to the post industrial society. Most people, by now, have
adjusted to the post agricultural society. Oops, wrong newsgroup for
that rant. Toyota works hard at delivering a good product. Nothing
wrong with that.

> I wouldn't necessarily blame the automakers, though. They are under almost
> insane pressures to cut costs
I absolutely agree.

Cheers,
Roadie Roger
Book of the month:
Dr. Hondalove, or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Rev's

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote in message news:<Xns9431CDC01F93Fteggeratistop@66.11.168.195> ...
> "W Bittle" <wbittle1@alltel.net>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
> news:1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com:
>
> >
> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
> to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
> noise.
This is not an accident. It's an intentional :) Years ago I studied
up on statistical quality control. The Japanese are the masters of
the game (yes, I know all about Deming). They are totally
Manic-Depressive. If a part DOESN'T break it is made too well and
should be cheapened up. If a part DOES break it needs to be improved.
The number of miles a car is supposed to last is a closely guarded
secret. 60K, 100K, 150K? Who knows? You want all the parts to have
the same lifetime. No use having your turn signal lever outlast your
trunk lid. They expect parts prices to go down 10% a year, or
whatever, through automation and more advanced production techniques.
They really put the fear of switching contractors in their suppliers.
These guys do not believe in waste. They make the people at
misc.consumers.frugal-living look like drunken lottery winners. They
sweat the small stuff. Productivity increases that eventually
eliminate your own job are just a fact of life. I did some of this as
an American engineer. I doubt much of this will ever go on in
American auto factories. Automation and productivity are so high that
you can have high unemployment and abundent goods and services.
Welcome to the post industrial society. Most people, by now, have
adjusted to the post agricultural society. Oops, wrong newsgroup for
that rant. Toyota works hard at delivering a good product. Nothing
wrong with that.

> I wouldn't necessarily blame the automakers, though. They are under almost
> insane pressures to cut costs
I absolutely agree.

Cheers,
Roadie Roger
Book of the month:
Dr. Hondalove, or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Rev's

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote in message news:<Xns9431CDC01F93Fteggeratistop@66.11.168.195> ...
> "W Bittle" <wbittle1@alltel.net>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
> news:1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com:
>
> >
> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
> to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
> noise.
This is not an accident. It's an intentional :) Years ago I studied
up on statistical quality control. The Japanese are the masters of
the game (yes, I know all about Deming). They are totally
Manic-Depressive. If a part DOESN'T break it is made too well and
should be cheapened up. If a part DOES break it needs to be improved.
The number of miles a car is supposed to last is a closely guarded
secret. 60K, 100K, 150K? Who knows? You want all the parts to have
the same lifetime. No use having your turn signal lever outlast your
trunk lid. They expect parts prices to go down 10% a year, or
whatever, through automation and more advanced production techniques.
They really put the fear of switching contractors in their suppliers.
These guys do not believe in waste. They make the people at
misc.consumers.frugal-living look like drunken lottery winners. They
sweat the small stuff. Productivity increases that eventually
eliminate your own job are just a fact of life. I did some of this as
an American engineer. I doubt much of this will ever go on in
American auto factories. Automation and productivity are so high that
you can have high unemployment and abundent goods and services.
Welcome to the post industrial society. Most people, by now, have
adjusted to the post agricultural society. Oops, wrong newsgroup for
that rant. Toyota works hard at delivering a good product. Nothing
wrong with that.

> I wouldn't necessarily blame the automakers, though. They are under almost
> insane pressures to cut costs
I absolutely agree.

Cheers,
Roadie Roger
Book of the month:
Dr. Hondalove, or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Rev's

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

"Tegger®" <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote in message news:<Xns9431CDC01F93Fteggeratistop@66.11.168.195> ...
> "W Bittle" <wbittle1@alltel.net>, being of unsound mind, did utter in
> news:1068677919.897292@cache6.usenetserver.com:
>
> >
> It does, yes. Walked past our '99 Tercel today and my wedding ring happened
> to hit the plastic mirror body. It made a dreadfully thin-sounding hollow
> noise.
This is not an accident. It's an intentional :) Years ago I studied
up on statistical quality control. The Japanese are the masters of
the game (yes, I know all about Deming). They are totally
Manic-Depressive. If a part DOESN'T break it is made too well and
should be cheapened up. If a part DOES break it needs to be improved.
The number of miles a car is supposed to last is a closely guarded
secret. 60K, 100K, 150K? Who knows? You want all the parts to have
the same lifetime. No use having your turn signal lever outlast your
trunk lid. They expect parts prices to go down 10% a year, or
whatever, through automation and more advanced production techniques.
They really put the fear of switching contractors in their suppliers.
These guys do not believe in waste. They make the people at
misc.consumers.frugal-living look like drunken lottery winners. They
sweat the small stuff. Productivity increases that eventually
eliminate your own job are just a fact of life. I did some of this as
an American engineer. I doubt much of this will ever go on in
American auto factories. Automation and productivity are so high that
you can have high unemployment and abundent goods and services.
Welcome to the post industrial society. Most people, by now, have
adjusted to the post agricultural society. Oops, wrong newsgroup for
that rant. Toyota works hard at delivering a good product. Nothing
wrong with that.

> I wouldn't necessarily blame the automakers, though. They are under almost
> insane pressures to cut costs
I absolutely agree.

Cheers,
Roadie Roger
Book of the month:
Dr. Hondalove, or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Rev's

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:

>
> I wouldn't necessarily blame the automakers, though. They are under almost
> insane pressures to cut costs while satisfying a bewildering and very
> expensive array of government mandates.


Sorry, but I disagree. ALL manufacturers are selling cars in the same
market and regulatory jungle, so you can't use that as a reason why do
what they do to quality. Price is obviously a reflection of quality, but
I dare say that dollar for dollar the US Big 3 are not delivering the
same overall quality as their foreign competitors. Look at Toyota sales!

Re: Can Anything Stop Toyota?
 

Tegger® wrote:

>
> I wouldn't necessarily blame the automakers, though. They are under almost
> insane pressures to cut costs while satisfying a bewildering and very
> expensive array of government mandates.


Sorry, but I disagree. ALL manufacturers are selling cars in the same
market and regulatory jungle, so you can't use that as a reason why do
what they do to quality. Price is obviously a reflection of quality, but
I dare say that dollar for dollar the US Big 3 are not delivering the
same overall quality as their foreign competitors. Look at Toyota sales!