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WickeddollŽ wrote: > "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message > news:kf-dnZO1ldem_EDcRVn-3w@rogers.com... >> Full_Name wrote: >> [snip] >>> >>> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every >>> method, patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior >>> modification and then Zyban. Zyban was amazingly effective for >>> him. After the second day on the >>> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was >>> so happy that he'd finally found something that worked. >>> >>> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt >>> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before >>> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A >>> doctor had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose. >>> >> [snip] >> >> I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in >> order to quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you >> mentioned. It has horrible side effects in some people. While it >> works for most people, if you are one of the unlucky ones then you >> are in trouble. >> >> Cosmin > > Wellbutrin is another alternative, but let me give you a tip if you > want to try it (Has way fewer side effects): Wellbutrin is usually > authorized by insurance companies only as a depression drug. So, not > that I'm telling you to lie, but, if you're feeling down because you > can't quit smoking or your life isn't going well, be sure to tell the > doctor... > Wellbutrin and Zyban are the same drug. It's a mild antidepressant that doctors discovered had a side effect that made smokers dislike cigarettes. It's covered by insurance companies for depression, and sold under the name of Zyban for smoking cessation. It's not clear if Zyban caused any of the side effects. Smokers get jittery when they quit. Some even get depressed. An anti-depressant should not make it worse, but since people who take antidepressants are often depressed to begin with, and could become more depressed without the drug, it makes sense that they could become more depressed with the drug too (although possibly less so.) While it's possible that Zyban caused the effects, it has not been established. Arguing that it's better to keep smoking than to risk side effects from Zyban is like arguing that seatbelt usage is bad since you might roll over into the ocean and lose a few seconds getting your seatbelt off. It ignores reality. You are statistically much more likely to die from complications of smoking than from complications of Zyban. |
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WickeddollŽ wrote: > "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message > news:kf-dnZO1ldem_EDcRVn-3w@rogers.com... >> Full_Name wrote: >> [snip] >>> >>> My brother a smoker since his teens tried to stop using every >>> method, patch, gum, hypnosis, cold turkey 3+ times, behavior >>> modification and then Zyban. Zyban was amazingly effective for >>> him. After the second day on the >>> product he couldn't even light up it made him feel so ill. He was >>> so happy that he'd finally found something that worked. >>> >>> It did have some "minor" side effects, he couldn't sleep, felt >>> jittery & he had tremors. He was on Zyban for about 2 months before >>> he committed suicide at 38 (the first ever in our family). A >>> doctor had prescribed Zyban and monitored the dose. >>> >> [snip] >> >> I have looked into Zyban myself, and had considered taking it in >> order to quite smoking, but did not for exactly the reason you >> mentioned. It has horrible side effects in some people. While it >> works for most people, if you are one of the unlucky ones then you >> are in trouble. >> >> Cosmin > > Wellbutrin is another alternative, but let me give you a tip if you > want to try it (Has way fewer side effects): Wellbutrin is usually > authorized by insurance companies only as a depression drug. So, not > that I'm telling you to lie, but, if you're feeling down because you > can't quit smoking or your life isn't going well, be sure to tell the > doctor... > Wellbutrin and Zyban are the same drug. It's a mild antidepressant that doctors discovered had a side effect that made smokers dislike cigarettes. It's covered by insurance companies for depression, and sold under the name of Zyban for smoking cessation. It's not clear if Zyban caused any of the side effects. Smokers get jittery when they quit. Some even get depressed. An anti-depressant should not make it worse, but since people who take antidepressants are often depressed to begin with, and could become more depressed without the drug, it makes sense that they could become more depressed with the drug too (although possibly less so.) While it's possible that Zyban caused the effects, it has not been established. Arguing that it's better to keep smoking than to risk side effects from Zyban is like arguing that seatbelt usage is bad since you might roll over into the ocean and lose a few seconds getting your seatbelt off. It ignores reality. You are statistically much more likely to die from complications of smoking than from complications of Zyban. |
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Huw wrote:
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:b6kDd.2675$W32.398@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net... >> Huw wrote: >>> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message >>> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com... >>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P >>>> >>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes >>>> have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another >>>> study proving that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only >>>> solution to smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer >>>> pressure and other influences. >>> >>> I think you miss the point, which is that diesel exhaust is so much >>> relatively cleaner than cigarette exhaust. This doesn't highlight >>> the well known fact that cigarettes are a nasty habit tolerated >>> until now by millions of non smokers whenever they socialise, but it >>> highlights the absurd negative press about particulates directed by >>> pressure >>> groups against diesel engined cars. >>> It turns out that it takes about 3.5 modern diesel cars to create as >>> much particulate pollution as a single cigarette. >>> >>> Huw >> >> "Cigarette Exhaust". LOL You should register that one! > > Luckily the cigarette exhausts at both ends. The greater part of the > exhaust is filtered, mainly by the smoker's lungs. The filter has a > fairly long life and regenerates every morning when the smoker coughs > up phlegm. Of course it doesn't last forever but equals the life of > the rest of the system on average. > The exhaust does stink way more than the exhaust of a modern diesel > though and worse, it permeates clothes and furnishing to linger for > several days. > Huw As Archie Bunker would say ... "just go stifle yourself" ;-) -- ~Philip. |
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Huw wrote:
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:b6kDd.2675$W32.398@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net... >> Huw wrote: >>> "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message >>> news:a8ednSr7ioherUHcRVn-oQ@rogers.com... >>>> Let me light up a cigarette before I read the article. :P >>>> >>>> The sad part is that smokers (myself included) KNOW that cigarettes >>>> have very dire consequences on ones health. Creating yet another >>>> study proving that won't help. Educating adolescents is the only >>>> solution to smoking, because they are the most vulnerable to peer >>>> pressure and other influences. >>> >>> I think you miss the point, which is that diesel exhaust is so much >>> relatively cleaner than cigarette exhaust. This doesn't highlight >>> the well known fact that cigarettes are a nasty habit tolerated >>> until now by millions of non smokers whenever they socialise, but it >>> highlights the absurd negative press about particulates directed by >>> pressure >>> groups against diesel engined cars. >>> It turns out that it takes about 3.5 modern diesel cars to create as >>> much particulate pollution as a single cigarette. >>> >>> Huw >> >> "Cigarette Exhaust". LOL You should register that one! > > Luckily the cigarette exhausts at both ends. The greater part of the > exhaust is filtered, mainly by the smoker's lungs. The filter has a > fairly long life and regenerates every morning when the smoker coughs > up phlegm. Of course it doesn't last forever but equals the life of > the rest of the system on average. > The exhaust does stink way more than the exhaust of a modern diesel > though and worse, it permeates clothes and furnishing to linger for > several days. > Huw As Archie Bunker would say ... "just go stifle yourself" ;-) -- ~Philip. |
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In article <345q1pF46qf2aU1@individual.net>,
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:41dd9696$0$16589$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... > > Yes, I never dated a smoker. Kissing a stale ashtray is not very > > appealing... My wife smokes very little, then mostly not at home and never > > in front of our son. > > > > Did you say you're an ex-smoker...?... > > *ahem* > > HELL NO :-) Just tried to date one > > > > In fact I enjoy an occasional cigar myself and I am very concerned that our > > (UK) government is going the North American way by trying to impose a > > near-blanket ban on smoking in pubs and restaurants. Luckily there are two > > years for consultation and I hope they will back off. Measures to protect > > workers in smoky establishments are already being taken on a voluntary > > basis and this can be strengthened, perhaps even with legislation. > > > > DAS > > cigars stink very badly, IMO, but I do like the smell of cherry tobacco in a > pipe. > > See, the big fight here in the U.S. is that smokers want to be able to go out > and have drinks and smoke. The problem is that everyone has to inhale that > crap with them, so they're discouraged about going out. In Arizona(I left > there in June), they now have smoker's bars, where you can smoke all you want > without being stigmatized by we smoking Nazis. I think that's a good idea - > as everyone present wants to be around other smokers. > > Natalie I wonder about other smoke, such as incense, wood smoke, (from fireplace or pit), cooking smoke ect.? -- |
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In article <345q1pF46qf2aU1@individual.net>,
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:41dd9696$0$16589$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... > > Yes, I never dated a smoker. Kissing a stale ashtray is not very > > appealing... My wife smokes very little, then mostly not at home and never > > in front of our son. > > > > Did you say you're an ex-smoker...?... > > *ahem* > > HELL NO :-) Just tried to date one > > > > In fact I enjoy an occasional cigar myself and I am very concerned that our > > (UK) government is going the North American way by trying to impose a > > near-blanket ban on smoking in pubs and restaurants. Luckily there are two > > years for consultation and I hope they will back off. Measures to protect > > workers in smoky establishments are already being taken on a voluntary > > basis and this can be strengthened, perhaps even with legislation. > > > > DAS > > cigars stink very badly, IMO, but I do like the smell of cherry tobacco in a > pipe. > > See, the big fight here in the U.S. is that smokers want to be able to go out > and have drinks and smoke. The problem is that everyone has to inhale that > crap with them, so they're discouraged about going out. In Arizona(I left > there in June), they now have smoker's bars, where you can smoke all you want > without being stigmatized by we smoking Nazis. I think that's a good idea - > as everyone present wants to be around other smokers. > > Natalie I wonder about other smoke, such as incense, wood smoke, (from fireplace or pit), cooking smoke ect.? -- |
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Next time you fry your bacon just lean over and take a deep breath...and get
a nice lungful of nitrosamines, which are reckoned to be carcinogenic... DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- <diel@spim.com> wrote in message news:diel-BB978F.03381207012005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com... [...] > I wonder about other smoke, such as incense, wood smoke, (from fireplace > or pit), cooking smoke ect.? > -- > |
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Next time you fry your bacon just lean over and take a deep breath...and get
a nice lungful of nitrosamines, which are reckoned to be carcinogenic... DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- <diel@spim.com> wrote in message news:diel-BB978F.03381207012005@zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com... [...] > I wonder about other smoke, such as incense, wood smoke, (from fireplace > or pit), cooking smoke ect.? > -- > |
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You're as evangelical as an ex-smoker... :-)
In Manhattan in 2003 (or was it 2002?) I was in a smokers' bar (attached to a great steak restaurant) that had been given a one-month extension in the implementation of the smoking ban. It was very peculiar, almost pointless. Ok for me as I was visiting and fancied that smoke & drink, but for the locals? The extra month was not a solution. The problem with pure smoking establishments is that the smoke density is too great. Stink my clothes out. What's more, I don't inhale (....) and I don't want to breathe in smoke...bit of a paradox here, but who cares? And I am pleased to say the ashtrays in my cars stay pristinely clean, and in my latest car I don't even have one, having deleted it when ordering (to be vaguely in-topic). DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:345q1pF46qf2aU1@individual.net... > > "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:41dd9696$0$16589$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... >> Yes, I never dated a smoker. Kissing a stale ashtray is not very >> appealing... My wife smokes very little, then mostly not at home and >> never in front of our son. >> >> Did you say you're an ex-smoker...?... > > *ahem* > > HELL NO :-) Just tried to date one [...] > there in June), they now have smoker's bars, where you can smoke all you > want without being stigmatized by we smoking Nazis. I think that's a good > idea - as everyone present wants to be around other smokers. > > Natalie > |
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You're as evangelical as an ex-smoker... :-)
In Manhattan in 2003 (or was it 2002?) I was in a smokers' bar (attached to a great steak restaurant) that had been given a one-month extension in the implementation of the smoking ban. It was very peculiar, almost pointless. Ok for me as I was visiting and fancied that smoke & drink, but for the locals? The extra month was not a solution. The problem with pure smoking establishments is that the smoke density is too great. Stink my clothes out. What's more, I don't inhale (....) and I don't want to breathe in smoke...bit of a paradox here, but who cares? And I am pleased to say the ashtrays in my cars stay pristinely clean, and in my latest car I don't even have one, having deleted it when ordering (to be vaguely in-topic). DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:345q1pF46qf2aU1@individual.net... > > "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message > news:41dd9696$0$16589$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... >> Yes, I never dated a smoker. Kissing a stale ashtray is not very >> appealing... My wife smokes very little, then mostly not at home and >> never in front of our son. >> >> Did you say you're an ex-smoker...?... > > *ahem* > > HELL NO :-) Just tried to date one [...] > there in June), they now have smoker's bars, where you can smoke all you > want without being stigmatized by we smoking Nazis. I think that's a good > idea - as everyone present wants to be around other smokers. > > Natalie > |
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Not quite.
My understanding is the hairs that bring out the junk in the lungs eventually die off (no phlegm, no regeneration) so that even cessation of smoking does not bring back the status quo anti. Rubbish stays in lungs, more diseases, more problems --> potential premature general systems failure. DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:3462ckF46umq6U1@individual.net... [...] > Luckily the cigarette exhausts at both ends. The greater part of the > exhaust is filtered, mainly by the smoker's lungs. The filter has a fairly > long life and regenerates every morning when the smoker coughs up phlegm. > Of course it doesn't last forever but equals the life of the rest of the > system on average. [...] |
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Not quite.
My understanding is the hairs that bring out the junk in the lungs eventually die off (no phlegm, no regeneration) so that even cessation of smoking does not bring back the status quo anti. Rubbish stays in lungs, more diseases, more problems --> potential premature general systems failure. DAS -- For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:3462ckF46umq6U1@individual.net... [...] > Luckily the cigarette exhausts at both ends. The greater part of the > exhaust is filtered, mainly by the smoker's lungs. The filter has a fairly > long life and regenerates every morning when the smoker coughs up phlegm. > Of course it doesn't last forever but equals the life of the rest of the > system on average. [...] |
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Wonder if the same can be said about biodiesel aroma refined from used deep
fat fryer oils! LOL -- ~Philip. Dori A Schmetterling wrote: > Next time you fry your bacon just lean over and take a deep > breath...and get a nice lungful of nitrosamines, which are reckoned > to be carcinogenic... > DAS > >> I wonder about other smoke, such as incense, wood smoke, (from >> fireplace or pit), cooking smoke ect.? >> -- |
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Wonder if the same can be said about biodiesel aroma refined from used deep
fat fryer oils! LOL -- ~Philip. Dori A Schmetterling wrote: > Next time you fry your bacon just lean over and take a deep > breath...and get a nice lungful of nitrosamines, which are reckoned > to be carcinogenic... > DAS > >> I wonder about other smoke, such as incense, wood smoke, (from >> fireplace or pit), cooking smoke ect.? >> -- |
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diel@spim.com wrote: > In article <345q1pF46qf2aU1@individual.net>, > "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958nofeckingspam@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:41dd9696$0$16589$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com... >>> Yes, I never dated a smoker. Kissing a stale ashtray is not very >>> appealing... My wife smokes very little, then mostly not at home >>> and never in front of our son. >>> >>> Did you say you're an ex-smoker...?... >> >> *ahem* >> >> HELL NO :-) Just tried to date one >>> >>> In fact I enjoy an occasional cigar myself and I am very concerned >>> that our (UK) government is going the North American way by trying >>> to impose a near-blanket ban on smoking in pubs and restaurants. >>> Luckily there are two years for consultation and I hope they will >>> back off. Measures to protect workers in smoky establishments are >>> already being taken on a voluntary basis and this can be >>> strengthened, perhaps even with legislation. >>> >>> DAS >> >> cigars stink very badly, IMO, but I do like the smell of cherry >> tobacco in a pipe. >> >> See, the big fight here in the U.S. is that smokers want to be able >> to go out and have drinks and smoke. The problem is that everyone >> has to inhale that crap with them, so they're discouraged about >> going out. In Arizona(I left there in June), they now have smoker's >> bars, where you can smoke all you want without being stigmatized by >> us smoking Nazis. I think that's a good idea - as everyone present >> wants to be around other smokers. >> It's not true that everybody present wants to be around other smokers. It's just that most patrons present want to smoke. There's a difference. Some patrons will have gone because their friends went, but there's no reason to believe that bartenders and waitresses want to be around smokers. They are being told that they must put up with a threat to their life or they cannot work. In California, bartenders typically had the same problems as two-pack-a-day smokers before the laws were changed. Now, not only are bartenders healthier, but there is also even significant improvement in the lungs of bartenders who smoke. > I wonder about other smoke, such as incense, wood smoke, (from > fireplace or pit), cooking smoke ect.? Those are not good for you either. Wood smoke is highly carcinogenic. The builder of my home could have put in a media room and even thrown in the equipment for the cost of the fireplace, chimney, and gas lines (that's for lighting the wood fire.) Also, fireplaces are not very efficient ways to heat a home, especially when you have a furnace on anyway. They suck air up the chimney, and much of that is air that you paid to heat. I suppose I could convert my fireplace to gas logs, but right now I hardly use it at all. I don't know of specific studies on incense, but I'm sure there are some. What people miss is that you don't need studies to show many things. When I was growing up, there were no studies on second hand smoke. Yet, people who were around smokers ended up with red eyes, coughs, headaches, stomachaches, etc. It should not have been hard to figure out that if somebody came near me with a cigarette and it made me cough that my body did not like it. It should not have been hard for a smoker to figure out on the day he started that his body didn't like it either. I grew up being told I had hay fever. I took medicine for my allergy. Yes, I had an allergy, but it was to a poison, not to a growing plant. I was told that getting headaches at the end of the day was just a normal part of life. That's what aspirin was for, and everybody used it regularly. I also thought that coughing was normal. I knew that people coughed a lot when they were sick, but I also thought that coughing was something that people normally did occasionally on a daily basis as a way of reacting with the environment. Having clothing that needed washing at the end of the day was normal too. It didn't matter if it still looked clean, or never came in contact with anything dirty. It was understood that if I went to any affair, I would have to get my suit dry cleaned the next day. How anybody could believe that smoke could impregnate everything around it, stink up rooms, clothing, cars, and anything it contacted, turn ceilings brown, and cause obvious symptoms in people who don't smoke, but not be harmful is a sure sign of how people can delude themselves. |
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