Re: GM Closes 4 Suv and Truck Plants
 

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:49:42 -0500, Dan C
<youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:53:26 -0500, Gordon McGrew wrote:
>
>>>> You mean like universal health care that every other citizen in every
>>>> other country that is not a sinking shithole gets?
>
>>>Yeah, like that. Yet another useless and costly social program.
>>>that.
>
>> It is interesting that you consider health care useless.
>
>Nice try, but that isn't what I said. Go back and read it again. Now,
>what I actually said was that "the universal health care *social program*
>was useless and costly. Not the same thing as what you attempted to twist
>my words into.

You think Medicare is useless and costly? That is the closest thing
to a "universal health care social program" we have ever had in this
country. Unless you have quality insurance through an employer, you
probably can't get it or can't afford it even if you are a younger
person in average health. Can you imagine what the premium would be
if you had to seek private health insurance at age 68 if you had been
cured of cancer five years earlier? It would have to be north of
$10,000 a month - with big deductibles, co-pay and minimal drug
coverage.

I know a woman - under 30 - who had never had anything beyond routine
healthcare in her life. She paid a hefty premium for private health
insurance from Blue Cross (she is a full time student). Two months
after she got the insurance she started having excruciating headaches.
After several weeks of hospital admissions, diagnostic tests, etc. it
was determined that she had a potentially dangerous condition which,
in her case, abated on its own. It is possible that it may return or
it may not. Blue Cross cancelled her coverage and is refusing to pay
the $25,000 in medical bills. She had failed to disclose that she had
had a sinus infection years earlier that was treated with antibiotics.
Prior sinus infections are correlated with the condition she suffered.
Now she is 20-something, unemployed, uninsurable and $25,000 in debt.
Do you think she would consider a "universal health care social
program" useless and costly?


>> I assume that you have declined any health insurance that is available
>> to you and intend to wave Medicare coverage.
>
>No, I have good health insurance. The difference is that I pay for it.
>What a concept!

Really? Do you pay all of it or, does your employer chip in? Most
healthy people with insurance think they are immune to the crises in
US healthcare. Every year, a small but significant percentage of them
experience a set of circumstances which throws them into healthcare
hell so fast they don't know what happened.

>>>If you don't like the USA, why don't you ing leave, dickmunch? Go
>>>find yourself a nice, cozy ing communist/socialist bullshit country,
>>>and enjoy their "free" healthcare. Just right off and die,
>>>asswipe.
>
>> Blow me. America is not defined by the denial of health care. We are a
>> democratic country and we can vote it in. At that point, *you* can
>> leave for whatever godforsaken third world country you choose which
>> lacks universal healthcare. I would ask you to write us and let us know
>> how it is, but I doubt you will be able to get Internet service there.
>
>Why would I want to leave? I have good health care, and I'm not the one
>complaining about how ed up America is. Damn, man, try to stay
>focused.

So you wouldn't leave if America adopted a "universal health care
social program" which turned us into "a nice, cozy ing
communist/socialist bullshit country"?

>> This is the question I have asked many times and no one can answer. What
>> is the second richest country that doesn't have universal healthcare?
>
>Who cares?
>
>Go spew your socialism to idiots that want to hear it. This is America.

America is a country where I can say what I want. If you don't like
that, you can move to some third-world fascist hellhole.