Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

Among my collection of old cars there is a 1971 Pinto. Currently there is
305K on the clock. Looks and runs as good as new. It even wins it class at
old cars shows. Know what I have yet to see at an old car show? ANY
Japanese cars, in my class, except for a low mileage XR7 or a 'Z' car on
occasion in the sport class. Lots of British, German, even French and
Italian small cars from that era but hardly ever see a Jap car ;)


mike hunt


"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1154557182.254540.173170@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> > What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
>> > the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
>> > allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
>> > known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
>> > SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it.
>>
>> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
>> little
>> crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in the past,
>> but it was only temporary.
>
> well, the Fox-body certainly lasted long enough... I think that had
> some Pinto genes in it, no? the Vega was a POS from the get go though,
> although it certainly was a sharp *looking* little car. Too bad GM
> didn't see fit to put an actual engine under the hood instead of the
> grenade they stuffed in there. You forgot to mention the Chevette as
> well, which was another GM compact that simply disappeared off the
> roads almost as soon as it was discontinued. The Horizon was a poor
> imitation of the Rabbit...
>
> meanwhile, up until very recently, any of the import brands offered
> just the kinds of vehicles that you sneer at. Now that fuel prices are
> going up, they're bringing over some of the smaller models (Yaris,
> etc.) to fill the gap left when they moved their existing models
> upsized and upmarket.
>
> nate
>
> (still miss my old VW Scirocco... couldn't kill the damn thing even at
> 240K miles, and it would get close to 30 MPG if you could keep your
> foot out of it. Sold it because I thought I wanted a new car, that was
> dumb. Can I have it back now please?)
>

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

Among my collection of old cars there is a 1971 Pinto. Currently there is
305K on the clock. Looks and runs as good as new. It even wins it class at
old cars shows. Know what I have yet to see at an old car show? ANY
Japanese cars, in my class, except for a low mileage XR7 or a 'Z' car on
occasion in the sport class. Lots of British, German, even French and
Italian small cars from that era but hardly ever see a Jap car ;)


mike hunt


"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1154557182.254540.173170@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> > What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
>> > the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
>> > allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
>> > known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
>> > SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it.
>>
>> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
>> little
>> crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in the past,
>> but it was only temporary.
>
> well, the Fox-body certainly lasted long enough... I think that had
> some Pinto genes in it, no? the Vega was a POS from the get go though,
> although it certainly was a sharp *looking* little car. Too bad GM
> didn't see fit to put an actual engine under the hood instead of the
> grenade they stuffed in there. You forgot to mention the Chevette as
> well, which was another GM compact that simply disappeared off the
> roads almost as soon as it was discontinued. The Horizon was a poor
> imitation of the Rabbit...
>
> meanwhile, up until very recently, any of the import brands offered
> just the kinds of vehicles that you sneer at. Now that fuel prices are
> going up, they're bringing over some of the smaller models (Yaris,
> etc.) to fill the gap left when they moved their existing models
> upsized and upmarket.
>
> nate
>
> (still miss my old VW Scirocco... couldn't kill the damn thing even at
> 240K miles, and it would get close to 30 MPG if you could keep your
> foot out of it. Sold it because I thought I wanted a new car, that was
> dumb. Can I have it back now please?)
>

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

Among my collection of old cars there is a 1971 Pinto. Currently there is
305K on the clock. Looks and runs as good as new. It even wins it class at
old cars shows. Know what I have yet to see at an old car show? ANY
Japanese cars, in my class, except for a low mileage XR7 or a 'Z' car on
occasion in the sport class. Lots of British, German, even French and
Italian small cars from that era but hardly ever see a Jap car ;)


mike hunt


"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1154557182.254540.173170@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> > What you call the "midget class," oh top posting one, is the class of
>> > the future, at least until some kind of technological breakthrough
>> > allows us to move away from fossil fuels. The US mfgrs. should have
>> > known this but instead of planning long term, they've been milking the
>> > SUV craze while it lasted, and now they're paying for it.
>>
>> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
>> little
>> crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in the past,
>> but it was only temporary.
>
> well, the Fox-body certainly lasted long enough... I think that had
> some Pinto genes in it, no? the Vega was a POS from the get go though,
> although it certainly was a sharp *looking* little car. Too bad GM
> didn't see fit to put an actual engine under the hood instead of the
> grenade they stuffed in there. You forgot to mention the Chevette as
> well, which was another GM compact that simply disappeared off the
> roads almost as soon as it was discontinued. The Horizon was a poor
> imitation of the Rabbit...
>
> meanwhile, up until very recently, any of the import brands offered
> just the kinds of vehicles that you sneer at. Now that fuel prices are
> going up, they're bringing over some of the smaller models (Yaris,
> etc.) to fill the gap left when they moved their existing models
> upsized and upmarket.
>
> nate
>
> (still miss my old VW Scirocco... couldn't kill the damn thing even at
> 240K miles, and it would get close to 30 MPG if you could keep your
> foot out of it. Sold it because I thought I wanted a new car, that was
> dumb. Can I have it back now please?)
>

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Among my collection of old cars there is a 1971 Pinto. Currently there is
> 305K on the clock. Looks and runs as good as new. It even wins it class at
> old cars shows. Know what I have yet to see at an old car show? ANY
> Japanese cars, in my class, except for a low mileage XR7 or a 'Z' car on
> occasion in the sport class. Lots of British, German, even French and
> Italian small cars from that era but hardly ever see a Jap car ;)

That's odd, I've seen quite a few B210s done up for vintage racing.

nate

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Among my collection of old cars there is a 1971 Pinto. Currently there is
> 305K on the clock. Looks and runs as good as new. It even wins it class at
> old cars shows. Know what I have yet to see at an old car show? ANY
> Japanese cars, in my class, except for a low mileage XR7 or a 'Z' car on
> occasion in the sport class. Lots of British, German, even French and
> Italian small cars from that era but hardly ever see a Jap car ;)

That's odd, I've seen quite a few B210s done up for vintage racing.

nate

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Among my collection of old cars there is a 1971 Pinto. Currently there is
> 305K on the clock. Looks and runs as good as new. It even wins it class at
> old cars shows. Know what I have yet to see at an old car show? ANY
> Japanese cars, in my class, except for a low mileage XR7 or a 'Z' car on
> occasion in the sport class. Lots of British, German, even French and
> Italian small cars from that era but hardly ever see a Jap car ;)

That's odd, I've seen quite a few B210s done up for vintage racing.

nate

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

designed, not made. However, if you can keep the rust monster at bay,
an old FIAT will actually last quite a long time; when I was a kid a
neighbor down the street had one of those little red boxy looking FIAT
coupes, and his wife drove the wheels off of it. It was a cute little
thing, and since he kept up with the maintenance (and squirting oil up
into all the nooks and crannies apparently,) last I heard it was handed
down to his daughter.

Apparently you can make a neat little GTI type racer by mixing and
matching FIAT and Yugo parts...

nate


Mike Hunter wrote:
> An engine made by FIAT to boot ;)
>
>
> mike
>
>
> "grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message
> news:1154565454_2931@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> > "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
> > news:oubAg.764$1f6.85@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
> >
> >> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
> >> little crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in
> >> the past, but it was only temporary.
> >
> >
> > The Omni/Horizon were decent cars. They had the 2.2 4 banger -- great
> > little durable engine. Small cars get bad reps for being junk,
> > unreliable. Usually it was lack of maintenance. People who buy cheap
> > cars tend not to maintain them as well as more pricier cars because of
> > the cheap initial cost of the cars and that these economy car buyers
> > tend to be of a lower socio-economic class. A lot of Yugo buyers never
> > bothered to change their oil and would have the Yugos with their seized
> > engines towed to the dealer angrily demanding a new engine and when told
> > no, replied "you expect me to change oil on a $3900 car!?" But the Yugo
> > engine is actually a bulletproof, reliable, easy to maintain engine.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

designed, not made. However, if you can keep the rust monster at bay,
an old FIAT will actually last quite a long time; when I was a kid a
neighbor down the street had one of those little red boxy looking FIAT
coupes, and his wife drove the wheels off of it. It was a cute little
thing, and since he kept up with the maintenance (and squirting oil up
into all the nooks and crannies apparently,) last I heard it was handed
down to his daughter.

Apparently you can make a neat little GTI type racer by mixing and
matching FIAT and Yugo parts...

nate


Mike Hunter wrote:
> An engine made by FIAT to boot ;)
>
>
> mike
>
>
> "grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message
> news:1154565454_2931@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> > "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
> > news:oubAg.764$1f6.85@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
> >
> >> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
> >> little crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in
> >> the past, but it was only temporary.
> >
> >
> > The Omni/Horizon were decent cars. They had the 2.2 4 banger -- great
> > little durable engine. Small cars get bad reps for being junk,
> > unreliable. Usually it was lack of maintenance. People who buy cheap
> > cars tend not to maintain them as well as more pricier cars because of
> > the cheap initial cost of the cars and that these economy car buyers
> > tend to be of a lower socio-economic class. A lot of Yugo buyers never
> > bothered to change their oil and would have the Yugos with their seized
> > engines towed to the dealer angrily demanding a new engine and when told
> > no, replied "you expect me to change oil on a $3900 car!?" But the Yugo
> > engine is actually a bulletproof, reliable, easy to maintain engine.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet
> > News==----
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> > Newsgroups
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

designed, not made. However, if you can keep the rust monster at bay,
an old FIAT will actually last quite a long time; when I was a kid a
neighbor down the street had one of those little red boxy looking FIAT
coupes, and his wife drove the wheels off of it. It was a cute little
thing, and since he kept up with the maintenance (and squirting oil up
into all the nooks and crannies apparently,) last I heard it was handed
down to his daughter.

Apparently you can make a neat little GTI type racer by mixing and
matching FIAT and Yugo parts...

nate


Mike Hunter wrote:
> An engine made by FIAT to boot ;)
>
>
> mike
>
>
> "grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message
> news:1154565454_2931@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> > "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in
> > news:oubAg.764$1f6.85@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
> >
> >> If what you are saying is true, the Pinto, Vega, Horizon, and other
> >> little crap boxes would still exist. I heard your words many times in
> >> the past, but it was only temporary.
> >
> >
> > The Omni/Horizon were decent cars. They had the 2.2 4 banger -- great
> > little durable engine. Small cars get bad reps for being junk,
> > unreliable. Usually it was lack of maintenance. People who buy cheap
> > cars tend not to maintain them as well as more pricier cars because of
> > the cheap initial cost of the cars and that these economy car buyers
> > tend to be of a lower socio-economic class. A lot of Yugo buyers never
> > bothered to change their oil and would have the Yugos with their seized
> > engines towed to the dealer angrily demanding a new engine and when told
> > no, replied "you expect me to change oil on a $3900 car!?" But the Yugo
> > engine is actually a bulletproof, reliable, easy to maintain engine.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet
> > News==----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+
> > Newsgroups
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Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

That is incredibly stupid


Mike Hunter wrote:
> History repeatedly tells us
> what they ALWAYS want is their vehicles to be bigger and more powerful.


People want transport from a to b and they want it to be safe,
comfortable and at a low cost

In Europe that means increasingly using trains for long trips and small
cars at the destination

There is an increasing number of powerful transport options using
combination of high quality trains and comfortable long lasting small
cars

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

That is incredibly stupid


Mike Hunter wrote:
> History repeatedly tells us
> what they ALWAYS want is their vehicles to be bigger and more powerful.


People want transport from a to b and they want it to be safe,
comfortable and at a low cost

In Europe that means increasingly using trains for long trips and small
cars at the destination

There is an increasing number of powerful transport options using
combination of high quality trains and comfortable long lasting small
cars

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

That is incredibly stupid


Mike Hunter wrote:
> History repeatedly tells us
> what they ALWAYS want is their vehicles to be bigger and more powerful.


People want transport from a to b and they want it to be safe,
comfortable and at a low cost

In Europe that means increasingly using trains for long trips and small
cars at the destination

There is an increasing number of powerful transport options using
combination of high quality trains and comfortable long lasting small
cars

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

Perhaps, with all new drive trains, but not originals at old car shows ;)

mike


"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> Among my collection of old cars there is a 1971 Pinto. Currently there
>> is
>> 305K on the clock. Looks and runs as good as new. It even wins it class
>> at
>> old cars shows. Know what I have yet to see at an old car show? ANY
>> Japanese cars, in my class, except for a low mileage XR7 or a 'Z' car on
>> occasion in the sport class. Lots of British, German, even French and
>> Italian small cars from that era but hardly ever see a Jap car ;)
>
> That's odd, I've seen quite a few B210s done up for vintage racing.
>
> nate
>

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

Perhaps, with all new drive trains, but not originals at old car shows ;)

mike


"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> Among my collection of old cars there is a 1971 Pinto. Currently there
>> is
>> 305K on the clock. Looks and runs as good as new. It even wins it class
>> at
>> old cars shows. Know what I have yet to see at an old car show? ANY
>> Japanese cars, in my class, except for a low mileage XR7 or a 'Z' car on
>> occasion in the sport class. Lots of British, German, even French and
>> Italian small cars from that era but hardly ever see a Jap car ;)
>
> That's odd, I've seen quite a few B210s done up for vintage racing.
>
> nate
>

Re: GM U.S. July sales down 19.5 percent, Honda up 10.2%
 

Perhaps, with all new drive trains, but not originals at old car shows ;)

mike


"N8N" <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1154632856.607624.99920@s13g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> Among my collection of old cars there is a 1971 Pinto. Currently there
>> is
>> 305K on the clock. Looks and runs as good as new. It even wins it class
>> at
>> old cars shows. Know what I have yet to see at an old car show? ANY
>> Japanese cars, in my class, except for a low mileage XR7 or a 'Z' car on
>> occasion in the sport class. Lots of British, German, even French and
>> Italian small cars from that era but hardly ever see a Jap car ;)
>
> That's odd, I've seen quite a few B210s done up for vintage racing.
>
> nate
>