Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

Business Week

Given the parlous state of the auto industry, the rivalry between Honda's
new Insight and Toyota's third-generation Prius is proving to be an
enjoyable diversion. Committed to increasing sales of gas-electric models,
the companies are launching hybrid cars in quick succession-and neither one
is skimping when it comes to generating hype...

Continued: http://tinyurl.com/HybridWar

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

Hope their TOTAL Life CO2 will be less than a Jeep with the new model

"rtc" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
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> Business Week
>
> Given the parlous state of the auto industry, the rivalry between Honda's
> new Insight and Toyota's third-generation Prius is proving to be an
> enjoyable diversion. Committed to increasing sales of gas-electric models,
> the companies are launching hybrid cars in quick succession-and neither
> one is skimping when it comes to generating hype...
>
> Continued: http://tinyurl.com/HybridWar

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
for a Prius exterior look, but it employs the same mild hybrid IMA set-
up Honda used on the Civic, which left me totally unimpressed.

In article <1860B155655B4B039F2D55D0FDCA3C71@DefaultPC>, rtc (Use-
Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]) says...
> Business Week
>
> Given the parlous state of the auto industry, the rivalry between Honda's
> new Insight and Toyota's third-generation Prius is proving to be an
> enjoyable diversion. Committed to increasing sales of gas-electric models,
> the companies are launching hybrid cars in quick succession-and neither one
> is skimping when it comes to generating hype...
>
> Continued: http://tinyurl.com/HybridWar
>
>

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

Actually, it is going for a HCX /Insight 1/FCX Clarity look, the Prius
copied Honda, not the other way.

"Mr. G" <mrg@aol.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.243b4a9f5cc3a2c89896b3@news.giganews.com. ..
> From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
> for a Prius exterior look, but it employs the same mild hybrid IMA set-
> up Honda used on the Civic, which left me totally unimpressed.
>
> In article <1860B155655B4B039F2D55D0FDCA3C71@DefaultPC>, rtc (Use-
> Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]) says...
>> Business Week
>>
>> Given the parlous state of the auto industry, the rivalry between Honda's
>> new Insight and Toyota's third-generation Prius is proving to be an
>> enjoyable diversion. Committed to increasing sales of gas-electric
>> models,
>> the companies are launching hybrid cars in quick succession-and neither
>> one
>> is skimping when it comes to generating hype...
>>
>> Continued: http://tinyurl.com/HybridWar
>>
>>

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

In article <gqs0vn$3uc$1@news.motzarella.org>, Justbob30 (justbob30
@hotmail.com) says...
> Actually, it is going for a HCX /Insight 1/FCX Clarity look, the Prius
> copied Honda, not the other way.
>
The original Insight looks *nothing* like either the new Insight or the
Prius, and the Clarity concept car wasn't unveiled until long after the
NHW20 Prius.

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

In article <MPG.243b4a9f5cc3a2c89896b3@news.giganews.com>,
Mr. G <mrg@aol.com> wrote:

> From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
> for a Prius exterior look,

The original 2-seater Insight had that same look, and it predated the
Prius.

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Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

Does anyone who does not have a private jet at their beck and call actually
drive these the most ungreen of green cars?

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

I've just driven the new Insight. As an owner of the current-edition
Prius since its release in October 2003, my opinion of the Honda entry
is of course mostly shaped by my Prius experience. I've also driven the
Accord and Civic hybrids, though. Nice cars, but seem to be playing
catch-up. They all run much like a series hybrid rather than the
remarkable Toyota parallel system.

Few will drive Insight and Prius and choose the Honda, as it's simply
less of a car. When the new Prius reaches the market, the difference
will grow.

Ike

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

In article <73eidgFuhcjiU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Ttoommy" <ttoommy@googlemail.co.uk> wrote:

> Does anyone who does not have a private jet at their beck and call actually
> drive these the most ungreen of green cars?

I think you have the wrong newsgroup; the Hummer group is down the hall.

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Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

Yeah, Ike, I guess it is a matter of perspective. I have an HCHII, the
reasons I bought it are many, first I did not want to tell the world "look
at me I have a hybrid" it is more like a car not a video game with an
overall better look and feel.
I have driven the Prius 1,000 miles in 4 days, not fun...less headroom,
seating position too upright, I HATE the video game screen, I HATE the a/c
controls, the bar across the back, the seating position is too high & too
upright, less headroom odd console, cup holder, pushbutton start, shift
knobbie on the dash to bang my knee on the list goes on and on, yes I know
it has more interior room than the Civic but in the cargo area, not in the
passenger area where it counts....so, while my Civic may not be a Prius, I
am thankful for that every day, yeah, I get 1 less mpg than my friend with a
prius but, who cares, at least I have a car I am comfortable in and does not
have a top heavy skitterish ride.
I does look like the 2010 prius has fixed most of my issues, I am sure the
seating position has not been fixed because for me Toyotas (generally)have
the most uncomfortable seats on the market and I see the bar across the back
is there too (a major fault on the insight too, sadly).

"Ike" <binarydotike@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've just driven the new Insight. As an owner of the current-edition Prius
> since its release in October 2003, my opinion of the Honda entry is of
> course mostly shaped by my Prius experience. I've also driven the Accord
> and Civic hybrids, though. Nice cars, but seem to be playing catch-up.
> They all run much like a series hybrid rather than the remarkable Toyota
> parallel system.
>
> Few will drive Insight and Prius and choose the Honda, as it's simply less
> of a car. When the new Prius reaches the market, the difference will grow.
>
> Ike

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

Yes Tommy, People do, in spite of your obvious hybrid misinformation and
disgust for anything different than what you have. you have posted 2 vague
accusations now, post some facts and, please don't post that tired urban
legend about the nickel mines in Canada that were cleaned up 10 years before
the Hybrid was introduced

"Ttoommy" <ttoommy@googlemail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:73eidgFuhcjiU1@mid.individual.net...
> Does anyone who does not have a private jet at their beck and call
> actually drive these the most ungreen of green cars?
>
>

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

In article <gqt6t6$fg5$1@news.motzarella.org>,
Ike <binarydotike@gmail.com> wrote:

> Few will drive Insight and Prius and choose the Honda, as it's simply
> less of a car.

Everyone will evaluate the features and size against the price for each
vehicle, and will make his own choice.

Not everyone wants or can afford the Prius. While they might have
otherwise bought a Corolla, now that the Honda is out many will go that
route.

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

In article <gqt8vh$26s$1@news.motzarella.org>,
"Justbob30" <justbob30@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have driven the Prius 1,000 miles in 4 days, not fun...

250 miles a day??? Where's the stress in THAT?

The Prius is a very comfortable car, even for 1000 miles in one day.



> I HATE the video game screen

I don't even see it anymore. I agree--it was way too much "look at me!
I'm different!"


> I HATE the a/c
> controls

??? Little button on the wheel--it goes up, it goes down, the
temperature goes accordingly.

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

In article <michelle-69716C.22505130032009@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
Michelle Steiner (michelle@michelle.org) says...
> In article <MPG.243b4a9f5cc3a2c89896b3@news.giganews.com>,
> Mr. G <mrg@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > From what I've read and seen about the Insight, they seem to be going
> > for a Prius exterior look,
>
> The original 2-seater Insight had that same look, and it predated the
> Prius.

I guess you and I have very different ideas of what constitutes looking
'alike'. I've seen the Insight in a showroom, I've seen photos, and
there's one I often see on my drive to work. It has never occurred to
me that it looks anything like a Prius. Or the new Insight.

Re: Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota
 

In article <MPG.243c6f3e42f634889896b5@news.giganews.com>,
Mr. G <mrg@aol.com> wrote:

> I've seen the Insight in a showroom, I've seen photos, and
> there's one I often see on my drive to work. It has never occurred to
> me that it looks anything like a Prius. Or the new Insight.

Absolutely agreed.