Grumpy AuContraire

Michael Pardee wrote:

> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:ij3Xh.70489$VU4.26659@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>>Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>snip
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>>>Don't listen to anybody who tries to tell you the bolt can be loosened by
>>>putting the handle of a socket wrench on a jackstand and hitting the
>>>starter. The engine turns the wrong way 8^O
>>>
>>>Mike again
>>
>>
>>
>>Awwww, you just don't want to see him flip the car over on its back!
>>
>><G>
>>
>>
>>JT
>>
>>
>>
>
> I only tried that once, on an old Toyota. It scared the bejeebers out of
> me - for some odd reason I didn't expect the front of the car to rise
> several inches when I bumped the starter. And that was a succesful
> operation....
>
> Mike
>


In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking
up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number
went their "own" way...

JT

Grumpy AuContraire

Michael Pardee wrote:

> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:ij3Xh.70489$VU4.26659@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>>Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>snip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Don't listen to anybody who tries to tell you the bolt can be loosened by
>>>putting the handle of a socket wrench on a jackstand and hitting the
>>>starter. The engine turns the wrong way 8^O
>>>
>>>Mike again
>>
>>
>>
>>Awwww, you just don't want to see him flip the car over on its back!
>>
>><G>
>>
>>
>>JT
>>
>>
>>
>
> I only tried that once, on an old Toyota. It scared the bejeebers out of
> me - for some odd reason I didn't expect the front of the car to rise
> several inches when I bumped the starter. And that was a succesful
> operation....
>
> Mike
>


In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking
up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number
went their "own" way...

JT

Michael Pardee

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking
> up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number
> went their "own" way...
>
> JT
>

Kinda like propping a small plane and finding the throttle was open a bit
too far and the the plane wasn't tied down - my brother did that with his
Cessna 140 :-(

It must have taken some muscle power to rotate the wheel. I suppose they
used a fairly high gear?

Michael Pardee

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking
> up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number
> went their "own" way...
>
> JT
>

Kinda like propping a small plane and finding the throttle was open a bit
too far and the the plane wasn't tied down - my brother did that with his
Cessna 140 :-(

It must have taken some muscle power to rotate the wheel. I suppose they
used a fairly high gear?

Grumpy AuContraire

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:Rz9Xh.352199$5j1.36253@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>>In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking
>>up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number
>>went their "own" way...
>>
>>JT
>>
>
>
> Kinda like propping a small plane and finding the throttle was open a bit
> too far and the the plane wasn't tied down - my brother did that with his
> Cessna 140 :-(
>
> It must have taken some muscle power to rotate the wheel. I suppose they
> used a fairly high gear?
>
>


I never saw it in person but remember vivid tales told by my grandfather...

JT

Grumpy AuContraire

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:Rz9Xh.352199$5j1.36253@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>>In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking
>>up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number
>>went their "own" way...
>>
>>JT
>>
>
>
> Kinda like propping a small plane and finding the throttle was open a bit
> too far and the the plane wasn't tied down - my brother did that with his
> Cessna 140 :-(
>
> It must have taken some muscle power to rotate the wheel. I suppose they
> used a fairly high gear?
>
>


I never saw it in person but remember vivid tales told by my grandfather...

JT

jim beam

Tegger wrote:
> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone tell
>> me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?
>>
>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,
>>
>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and
>>
>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
>
>
>
> You don't need any of that stuff.
>
> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place for
> about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so little effort
> you'll think you're in paradise.

should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.

>
> The black 19mm deep socket can be had at any hardware store for about $10.
>
>
>

jim beam

Tegger wrote:
> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone tell
>> me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?
>>
>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,
>>
>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and
>>
>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
>
>
>
> You don't need any of that stuff.
>
> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place for
> about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so little effort
> you'll think you're in paradise.

should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.

>
> The black 19mm deep socket can be had at any hardware store for about $10.
>
>
>

Tegger

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Tegger wrote:
>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone
>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?
>>>
>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,
>>>
>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and
>>>
>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
>>
>>
>>
>> You don't need any of that stuff.
>>
>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place
>> for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so
>> little effort you'll think you're in paradise.
>
> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.
>



Good point, but only if you've got an automatic.

With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal with the
tranny in gear.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Tegger

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Tegger wrote:
>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>
>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone
>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?
>>>
>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,
>>>
>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and
>>>
>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
>>
>>
>>
>> You don't need any of that stuff.
>>
>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place
>> for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so
>> little effort you'll think you're in paradise.
>
> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.
>



Good point, but only if you've got an automatic.

With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal with the
tranny in gear.



--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

jim beam

Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in
>>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>
>>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone
>>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?
>>>>
>>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,
>>>>
>>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and
>>>>
>>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't need any of that stuff.
>>>
>>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place
>>> for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so
>>> little effort you'll think you're in paradise.
>> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.
>>
>
>
>
> Good point, but only if you've got an automatic.
>
> With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal with the
> tranny in gear.
>
>
>
still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash in
the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that affects
ability to set torque correctly.

jim beam

Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in
>>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>
>>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone
>>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?
>>>>
>>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,
>>>>
>>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and
>>>>
>>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
>>>
>>>
>>> You don't need any of that stuff.
>>>
>>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place
>>> for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so
>>> little effort you'll think you're in paradise.
>> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.
>>
>
>
>
> Good point, but only if you've got an automatic.
>
> With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal with the
> tranny in gear.
>
>
>
still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash in
the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that affects
ability to set torque correctly.

Tegger

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Tegger wrote:
>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
>> news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>>
>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>>
>>>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone
>>>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?
>>>>>
>>>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,
>>>>>
>>>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and
>>>>>
>>>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You don't need any of that stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental
>>>> place for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off
>>>> with so little effort you'll think you're in paradise.
>>> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good point, but only if you've got an automatic.
>>
>> With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal
>> with the tranny in gear.
>>
>>
>>
> still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash
> in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that
> affects ability to set torque correctly.
>


It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you should be
doing anyway.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Tegger

jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:

> Tegger wrote:
>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
>> news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>>
>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>>
>>>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone
>>>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?
>>>>>
>>>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,
>>>>>
>>>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and
>>>>>
>>>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You don't need any of that stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental
>>>> place for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off
>>>> with so little effort you'll think you're in paradise.
>>> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good point, but only if you've got an automatic.
>>
>> With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal
>> with the tranny in gear.
>>
>>
>>
> still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash
> in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that
> affects ability to set torque correctly.
>


It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you should be
doing anyway.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

jim beam

Tegger wrote:
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
> news:LL2dneF_SbE4_rDbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>
>> Tegger wrote:
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in
>>> news:LL2dneZ_SbH6_7DbnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>>>
>>>> Tegger wrote:
>>>>> "Zeek" <cedricbmason@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:PP-dnSrK_O-M9rHbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone
>>>>>> tell me where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need any of that stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental
>>>>> place for about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off
>>>>> with so little effort you'll think you're in paradise.
>>>> should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good point, but only if you've got an automatic.
>>>
>>> With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal
>>> with the tranny in gear.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash
>> in the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that
>> affects ability to set torque correctly.
>>
>
>
> It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you should be
> doing anyway.
>
you'd think, but in practice, it's very hard to get it right if there's
too much elasticity. friction of the bolt interfaces is uneven - the
more elasticity, the more opportunity for friction to momentarily lock
movement. to put it another way, /you/ may be turning the wrench
smoothly, but with excess elasticity, the crank is not resisting smoothly.