MORE than expensive - outrageous!
#196
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
A valid comparison between a part for your car(igniter) and a part for a
computer would be trying to buy a NEW microprocessor for an 8088-based
PC,or for the original Apple PC(6502).Or for any support IC for those
computers. Or try to find a NEW 10 meg hard drive.
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#197
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
A valid comparison between a part for your car(igniter) and a part for a
computer would be trying to buy a NEW microprocessor for an 8088-based
PC,or for the original Apple PC(6502).Or for any support IC for those
computers. Or try to find a NEW 10 meg hard drive.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
remove null to contact me
#198
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
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#199
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
remove null to contact me
#200
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <K6FWa.15228$Vx2.7666540@newssvr28.news.prodigy.co m>,
EdRuscha <samsamjeh@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > They laughed at me, I'll get the last laugh. You refer to markets?
> > That's the way markets work sometimes and Honda erred by figuring that
> > someone with a failed igniter would roll over for some shoddy treatment
> > and outrageous costs.
>
> But you did roll over. "Jawboning" now does not change that.
As I've said many times, I had no other viable option. I can't
function where I live without one. As for jawboning, I'll just have to
play it one person at a time by showing them the part and spinning my
story.
EdRuscha <samsamjeh@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > They laughed at me, I'll get the last laugh. You refer to markets?
> > That's the way markets work sometimes and Honda erred by figuring that
> > someone with a failed igniter would roll over for some shoddy treatment
> > and outrageous costs.
>
> But you did roll over. "Jawboning" now does not change that.
As I've said many times, I had no other viable option. I can't
function where I live without one. As for jawboning, I'll just have to
play it one person at a time by showing them the part and spinning my
story.
#201
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <K6FWa.15228$Vx2.7666540@newssvr28.news.prodigy.co m>,
EdRuscha <samsamjeh@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > They laughed at me, I'll get the last laugh. You refer to markets?
> > That's the way markets work sometimes and Honda erred by figuring that
> > someone with a failed igniter would roll over for some shoddy treatment
> > and outrageous costs.
>
> But you did roll over. "Jawboning" now does not change that.
As I've said many times, I had no other viable option. I can't
function where I live without one. As for jawboning, I'll just have to
play it one person at a time by showing them the part and spinning my
story.
EdRuscha <samsamjeh@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > They laughed at me, I'll get the last laugh. You refer to markets?
> > That's the way markets work sometimes and Honda erred by figuring that
> > someone with a failed igniter would roll over for some shoddy treatment
> > and outrageous costs.
>
> But you did roll over. "Jawboning" now does not change that.
As I've said many times, I had no other viable option. I can't
function where I live without one. As for jawboning, I'll just have to
play it one person at a time by showing them the part and spinning my
story.
#202
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <Xns93CAE8545F037jyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote:
> A valid comparison between a part for your car(igniter) and a part for a
> computer would be trying to buy a NEW microprocessor for an 8088-based
> PC,or for the original Apple PC(6502).Or for any support IC for those
> computers. Or try to find a NEW 10 meg hard drive.
It was an interesting comparison, IMHO. But not scientific in the
least, nor was it intended to be.
<jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote:
> A valid comparison between a part for your car(igniter) and a part for a
> computer would be trying to buy a NEW microprocessor for an 8088-based
> PC,or for the original Apple PC(6502).Or for any support IC for those
> computers. Or try to find a NEW 10 meg hard drive.
It was an interesting comparison, IMHO. But not scientific in the
least, nor was it intended to be.
#203
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <Xns93CAE8545F037jyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote:
> A valid comparison between a part for your car(igniter) and a part for a
> computer would be trying to buy a NEW microprocessor for an 8088-based
> PC,or for the original Apple PC(6502).Or for any support IC for those
> computers. Or try to find a NEW 10 meg hard drive.
It was an interesting comparison, IMHO. But not scientific in the
least, nor was it intended to be.
<jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote:
> A valid comparison between a part for your car(igniter) and a part for a
> computer would be trying to buy a NEW microprocessor for an 8088-based
> PC,or for the original Apple PC(6502).Or for any support IC for those
> computers. Or try to find a NEW 10 meg hard drive.
It was an interesting comparison, IMHO. But not scientific in the
least, nor was it intended to be.
#204
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <Xns93CAE901149DBjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote:
> You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
> makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
> replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
> cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
But there are LOTS of parts available for old VW's.
I'm not contemplating the purchase of any foreign luxury cars. Just
one more car and that's it. Perhaps the Buick as someone suggested.
Or, if I am lucky enough to get the apartment I want, there'll be no
need for a car at all and I will be out from under the heels of auto
manufacturers, dealers, and insurance companies. The '81 Honda has to
get me about another 40,000 miles. I hope that there are no more rip
off's.
<jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote:
> You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
> makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
> replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
> cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
But there are LOTS of parts available for old VW's.
I'm not contemplating the purchase of any foreign luxury cars. Just
one more car and that's it. Perhaps the Buick as someone suggested.
Or, if I am lucky enough to get the apartment I want, there'll be no
need for a car at all and I will be out from under the heels of auto
manufacturers, dealers, and insurance companies. The '81 Honda has to
get me about another 40,000 miles. I hope that there are no more rip
off's.
#205
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <Xns93CAE901149DBjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21>, Jim Yanik
<jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote:
> You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
> makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
> replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
> cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
But there are LOTS of parts available for old VW's.
I'm not contemplating the purchase of any foreign luxury cars. Just
one more car and that's it. Perhaps the Buick as someone suggested.
Or, if I am lucky enough to get the apartment I want, there'll be no
need for a car at all and I will be out from under the heels of auto
manufacturers, dealers, and insurance companies. The '81 Honda has to
get me about another 40,000 miles. I hope that there are no more rip
off's.
<jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote:
> You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
> makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
> replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
> cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
But there are LOTS of parts available for old VW's.
I'm not contemplating the purchase of any foreign luxury cars. Just
one more car and that's it. Perhaps the Buick as someone suggested.
Or, if I am lucky enough to get the apartment I want, there'll be no
need for a car at all and I will be out from under the heels of auto
manufacturers, dealers, and insurance companies. The '81 Honda has to
get me about another 40,000 miles. I hope that there are no more rip
off's.
#206
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Sound familiar...a friend has a 1978 TR-7 (Triumph)...he's got a
Cadillac engine in it.
John D.
Jim Yanik <jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote in message news:<Xns93CAE901149DBjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21> ...
> You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
> makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
> replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
> cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
Cadillac engine in it.
John D.
Jim Yanik <jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote in message news:<Xns93CAE901149DBjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21> ...
> You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
> makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
> replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
> cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
#207
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Sound familiar...a friend has a 1978 TR-7 (Triumph)...he's got a
Cadillac engine in it.
John D.
Jim Yanik <jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote in message news:<Xns93CAE901149DBjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21> ...
> You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
> makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
> replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
> cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
Cadillac engine in it.
John D.
Jim Yanik <jyanik@nullkua.net> wrote in message news:<Xns93CAE901149DBjyanikkuanet@204.117.192.21> ...
> You think Honda parts are expensive,try Mercedes,Jaguar,or other foreign
> makes,especially for 22 year old models.I've read where Jag owners were
> replacing Jag rear differentials with Ford or Chevy ones,due to the
> cost,availability,and reliability of the Jag parts.(old Jag autos)
#208
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Look, let's face it. You had a part break on your car. You think
you're unlucky as it supposedly is a part that rarely breaks.
Unfortunately it broke and it cost $193 (probably in part because it
rarely breaks). You seem to think the part is worth less than that.
I've heard $27 based on you looking at the part -- looks like it's
worth $27 -- or weighing it and comparing it against computer
electronics. What you think the part is worth is really only of
interest to you. I think cars are overpriced in general. So what?
Think they'll sell me a car for half price because I think so? Dream
on.
Now I've also heard that the part might have cost less at another
Honda dealer. That's different. If indeed most other dealers sell that
part at significantly less, I'd complain to Honda. It won't get you
any money back, but it might make you feel better.
If you think the dealer laughed at your situation, then complain to
the dealer, Honda and your local better business bureau. My guess (as
someone else suggested) was that they were laughing at your insistence
that the part should cost less than it does. I wouldn't have wanted to
be mean, but if I was in their shoes and you kept insisting that, I'd
probably laugh eventually as well. Obviously I don't know what
happened, so it's your call.
I think you are making a whale of a mountain out of a pretty small
molehill. You keep saying that the others here don't seem to think
$193 is a lot of money. Well in car parts, actually, it isn't all that
expensive. But it's not a $193 extra cost. It's only the difference
between $193 and what you think it should have cost. Ignoring the $27
figure as laughable (even you seem to admit this now) and giving you
a very wide benefit of the doubt, let's say it could have cost $125 at
another dealer. That means you're getting this worked up over $50-75.
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:06:56 GMT, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>In article <K6FWa.15228$Vx2.7666540@newssvr28.news.prodigy.co m>,
>EdRuscha <samsamjeh@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They laughed at me, I'll get the last laugh. You refer to markets?
>> > That's the way markets work sometimes and Honda erred by figuring that
>> > someone with a failed igniter would roll over for some shoddy treatment
>> > and outrageous costs.
>>
>> But you did roll over. "Jawboning" now does not change that.
>
>As I've said many times, I had no other viable option. I can't
>function where I live without one. As for jawboning, I'll just have to
>play it one person at a time by showing them the part and spinning my
>story.
you're unlucky as it supposedly is a part that rarely breaks.
Unfortunately it broke and it cost $193 (probably in part because it
rarely breaks). You seem to think the part is worth less than that.
I've heard $27 based on you looking at the part -- looks like it's
worth $27 -- or weighing it and comparing it against computer
electronics. What you think the part is worth is really only of
interest to you. I think cars are overpriced in general. So what?
Think they'll sell me a car for half price because I think so? Dream
on.
Now I've also heard that the part might have cost less at another
Honda dealer. That's different. If indeed most other dealers sell that
part at significantly less, I'd complain to Honda. It won't get you
any money back, but it might make you feel better.
If you think the dealer laughed at your situation, then complain to
the dealer, Honda and your local better business bureau. My guess (as
someone else suggested) was that they were laughing at your insistence
that the part should cost less than it does. I wouldn't have wanted to
be mean, but if I was in their shoes and you kept insisting that, I'd
probably laugh eventually as well. Obviously I don't know what
happened, so it's your call.
I think you are making a whale of a mountain out of a pretty small
molehill. You keep saying that the others here don't seem to think
$193 is a lot of money. Well in car parts, actually, it isn't all that
expensive. But it's not a $193 extra cost. It's only the difference
between $193 and what you think it should have cost. Ignoring the $27
figure as laughable (even you seem to admit this now) and giving you
a very wide benefit of the doubt, let's say it could have cost $125 at
another dealer. That means you're getting this worked up over $50-75.
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:06:56 GMT, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>In article <K6FWa.15228$Vx2.7666540@newssvr28.news.prodigy.co m>,
>EdRuscha <samsamjeh@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They laughed at me, I'll get the last laugh. You refer to markets?
>> > That's the way markets work sometimes and Honda erred by figuring that
>> > someone with a failed igniter would roll over for some shoddy treatment
>> > and outrageous costs.
>>
>> But you did roll over. "Jawboning" now does not change that.
>
>As I've said many times, I had no other viable option. I can't
>function where I live without one. As for jawboning, I'll just have to
>play it one person at a time by showing them the part and spinning my
>story.
#209
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Look, let's face it. You had a part break on your car. You think
you're unlucky as it supposedly is a part that rarely breaks.
Unfortunately it broke and it cost $193 (probably in part because it
rarely breaks). You seem to think the part is worth less than that.
I've heard $27 based on you looking at the part -- looks like it's
worth $27 -- or weighing it and comparing it against computer
electronics. What you think the part is worth is really only of
interest to you. I think cars are overpriced in general. So what?
Think they'll sell me a car for half price because I think so? Dream
on.
Now I've also heard that the part might have cost less at another
Honda dealer. That's different. If indeed most other dealers sell that
part at significantly less, I'd complain to Honda. It won't get you
any money back, but it might make you feel better.
If you think the dealer laughed at your situation, then complain to
the dealer, Honda and your local better business bureau. My guess (as
someone else suggested) was that they were laughing at your insistence
that the part should cost less than it does. I wouldn't have wanted to
be mean, but if I was in their shoes and you kept insisting that, I'd
probably laugh eventually as well. Obviously I don't know what
happened, so it's your call.
I think you are making a whale of a mountain out of a pretty small
molehill. You keep saying that the others here don't seem to think
$193 is a lot of money. Well in car parts, actually, it isn't all that
expensive. But it's not a $193 extra cost. It's only the difference
between $193 and what you think it should have cost. Ignoring the $27
figure as laughable (even you seem to admit this now) and giving you
a very wide benefit of the doubt, let's say it could have cost $125 at
another dealer. That means you're getting this worked up over $50-75.
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:06:56 GMT, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>In article <K6FWa.15228$Vx2.7666540@newssvr28.news.prodigy.co m>,
>EdRuscha <samsamjeh@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They laughed at me, I'll get the last laugh. You refer to markets?
>> > That's the way markets work sometimes and Honda erred by figuring that
>> > someone with a failed igniter would roll over for some shoddy treatment
>> > and outrageous costs.
>>
>> But you did roll over. "Jawboning" now does not change that.
>
>As I've said many times, I had no other viable option. I can't
>function where I live without one. As for jawboning, I'll just have to
>play it one person at a time by showing them the part and spinning my
>story.
you're unlucky as it supposedly is a part that rarely breaks.
Unfortunately it broke and it cost $193 (probably in part because it
rarely breaks). You seem to think the part is worth less than that.
I've heard $27 based on you looking at the part -- looks like it's
worth $27 -- or weighing it and comparing it against computer
electronics. What you think the part is worth is really only of
interest to you. I think cars are overpriced in general. So what?
Think they'll sell me a car for half price because I think so? Dream
on.
Now I've also heard that the part might have cost less at another
Honda dealer. That's different. If indeed most other dealers sell that
part at significantly less, I'd complain to Honda. It won't get you
any money back, but it might make you feel better.
If you think the dealer laughed at your situation, then complain to
the dealer, Honda and your local better business bureau. My guess (as
someone else suggested) was that they were laughing at your insistence
that the part should cost less than it does. I wouldn't have wanted to
be mean, but if I was in their shoes and you kept insisting that, I'd
probably laugh eventually as well. Obviously I don't know what
happened, so it's your call.
I think you are making a whale of a mountain out of a pretty small
molehill. You keep saying that the others here don't seem to think
$193 is a lot of money. Well in car parts, actually, it isn't all that
expensive. But it's not a $193 extra cost. It's only the difference
between $193 and what you think it should have cost. Ignoring the $27
figure as laughable (even you seem to admit this now) and giving you
a very wide benefit of the doubt, let's say it could have cost $125 at
another dealer. That means you're getting this worked up over $50-75.
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 03:06:56 GMT, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>In article <K6FWa.15228$Vx2.7666540@newssvr28.news.prodigy.co m>,
>EdRuscha <samsamjeh@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > They laughed at me, I'll get the last laugh. You refer to markets?
>> > That's the way markets work sometimes and Honda erred by figuring that
>> > someone with a failed igniter would roll over for some shoddy treatment
>> > and outrageous costs.
>>
>> But you did roll over. "Jawboning" now does not change that.
>
>As I've said many times, I had no other viable option. I can't
>function where I live without one. As for jawboning, I'll just have to
>play it one person at a time by showing them the part and spinning my
>story.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
>> But there are LOTS of parts available for old VW's.
> VWs being a 'hobby' car that is the platform for many off-road buggies
> and other vehicles.
Umm hmmm. Then I'd have to crawl in the dirt to adjust the valves.
> They just stopped MAKING new 'old-style'
> Beetles in Mexico,there was an
> article about it in the paper the
> other day. They never stopped production
> until this week! IIRC,70 years of production.
> Maybe you should buy a Beetle (not
> the 'new' Beetle)! Plenty of parts in
> supply,and plenty of junkers to
> cannabalize,and all those aftermarket
> goodies.
I'd rather have the new Beetle. What's the word on the street about
those? Good car or what?
I had a '66 Beetle once. It was a neat car and I'd like to have it
back.