MORE than expensive - outrageous!
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <3F2983D4.8000904@XXX.optonline.net>, Gus
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> expensive wrote:
> > I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
> I don't agree.
>
> > While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
> > has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
> > Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
> > was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
> What's an "igniter"? I'm not familiar with the term.
It's a little super-gotcha hummer under the rotor that takes the place
of points and associated stuff. It looks like a little pile of
electronic components like diodes and other circuitry encased in resin
and a plastic case. That's why I compared it with my notebook
computer. They both might not be beagles, but they're both canines.
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> expensive wrote:
> > I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
> I don't agree.
>
> > While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
> > has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
> > Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
> > was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
> What's an "igniter"? I'm not familiar with the term.
It's a little super-gotcha hummer under the rotor that takes the place
of points and associated stuff. It looks like a little pile of
electronic components like diodes and other circuitry encased in resin
and a plastic case. That's why I compared it with my notebook
computer. They both might not be beagles, but they're both canines.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <3F2983D4.8000904@XXX.optonline.net>, Gus
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> expensive wrote:
> > I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
> I don't agree.
>
> > While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
> > has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
> > Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
> > was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
> What's an "igniter"? I'm not familiar with the term.
It's a little super-gotcha hummer under the rotor that takes the place
of points and associated stuff. It looks like a little pile of
electronic components like diodes and other circuitry encased in resin
and a plastic case. That's why I compared it with my notebook
computer. They both might not be beagles, but they're both canines.
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> expensive wrote:
> > I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
> I don't agree.
>
> > While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
> > has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
> > Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
> > was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
> What's an "igniter"? I'm not familiar with the term.
It's a little super-gotcha hummer under the rotor that takes the place
of points and associated stuff. It looks like a little pile of
electronic components like diodes and other circuitry encased in resin
and a plastic case. That's why I compared it with my notebook
computer. They both might not be beagles, but they're both canines.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <3F2984BD.905@XXX.optonline.net>, Gus
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Brian Smith wrote:
> > "TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
> > news:7n8iivktl42tp9o19l6mphfl78c8ifj9ij@4ax.com...
> >
> >>Electronics pricing by weight? That's about the best laugh I've had in
> >>a long time.
> >>
> >>Why not just weigh the whole car and do the math that way. LOL
> >
> > With or without the driver and passengers? LOL!
>
> No, with or without gas & oil?
I would say without the driver but with gas and oil.
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Brian Smith wrote:
> > "TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
> > news:7n8iivktl42tp9o19l6mphfl78c8ifj9ij@4ax.com...
> >
> >>Electronics pricing by weight? That's about the best laugh I've had in
> >>a long time.
> >>
> >>Why not just weigh the whole car and do the math that way. LOL
> >
> > With or without the driver and passengers? LOL!
>
> No, with or without gas & oil?
I would say without the driver but with gas and oil.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <3F2984BD.905@XXX.optonline.net>, Gus
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Brian Smith wrote:
> > "TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
> > news:7n8iivktl42tp9o19l6mphfl78c8ifj9ij@4ax.com...
> >
> >>Electronics pricing by weight? That's about the best laugh I've had in
> >>a long time.
> >>
> >>Why not just weigh the whole car and do the math that way. LOL
> >
> > With or without the driver and passengers? LOL!
>
> No, with or without gas & oil?
I would say without the driver but with gas and oil.
<GusPod@XXX.optonline.net> wrote:
> Brian Smith wrote:
> > "TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
> > news:7n8iivktl42tp9o19l6mphfl78c8ifj9ij@4ax.com...
> >
> >>Electronics pricing by weight? That's about the best laugh I've had in
> >>a long time.
> >>
> >>Why not just weigh the whole car and do the math that way. LOL
> >
> > With or without the driver and passengers? LOL!
>
> No, with or without gas & oil?
I would say without the driver but with gas and oil.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
"expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
news:310720031343418107%>
> Warranty is not the question. I believe that this part should not have
> burned out in the first place, but it did, in which and like cases I
> expect to pay something reasonable (even if it's at the high end of
> reasonableness) for a replacement part, not get my wallet jacked out of
> my jeans.
You're going well past reasonable with this discussion. Do you really
believe that anything man-made will last forever? In the same way as people
get sick, vehicles break down, it's a fact of life.
Whether you want to admit it or not, you are driving a vehicle that is
twenty two years old. It does not matter that you only drive it a few times
a week, the parts that make up the vehicle are twenty two years old and you
are extremely lucky to have gotten that much time out of the vehicle.
You're crying over a very small amount of money to get your vehicle back on
the road. I think if this amount of petty cash has you worked up to this
point, you probably can't afford to operate a vehicle in the first place. My
god man, give your head a shake and when the rattling dies down, that means
that the marbles have lined themselves back into place. LOL!
--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
"expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
news:310720031343418107%>
> Warranty is not the question. I believe that this part should not have
> burned out in the first place, but it did, in which and like cases I
> expect to pay something reasonable (even if it's at the high end of
> reasonableness) for a replacement part, not get my wallet jacked out of
> my jeans.
You're going well past reasonable with this discussion. Do you really
believe that anything man-made will last forever? In the same way as people
get sick, vehicles break down, it's a fact of life.
Whether you want to admit it or not, you are driving a vehicle that is
twenty two years old. It does not matter that you only drive it a few times
a week, the parts that make up the vehicle are twenty two years old and you
are extremely lucky to have gotten that much time out of the vehicle.
You're crying over a very small amount of money to get your vehicle back on
the road. I think if this amount of petty cash has you worked up to this
point, you probably can't afford to operate a vehicle in the first place. My
god man, give your head a shake and when the rattling dies down, that means
that the marbles have lined themselves back into place. LOL!
--
Brian
www.accesswave.ca/~orion
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
"expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
news:310720031529361713%common_sense@emodgnik.com. ..
> In article <cCfWa.293$9Q3.26194184@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com >, Larry
> <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > I have to get a good laugh out of this. This discussion wouldn't have
been
> > brought up had this been a Chev Chevette or Ford Escort that were both
made
> > in 1981.....those cars would have been long since dead as you see very
very
> > few of them on the road anymore, regardless of mileage. And don't
confuse
> > mileage with parts longevity as cars that are not driven much, usually
have
> > more things go wrong as time progresses. Low mileage cars usually live a
> > harder life than a car driven higher miles
> > Your decision to refuse to buy another Honda in this case, or any brand
for
> > that matter, because of this part is also very shortsighted. Get real,
this
> > is a 22 year old car! It is very difficult to get any car repaired for
less
> > than $200 anymore, given the cost of labor to install this $27 part
($80/hr
> > here). Have you even considered the Liability insurance, the Workers
> > Compensation insurance, the Group Medical, the local, state, and federal
> > taxes that the dealer and a manufacturer have to pay. It is extremely
high
> > these days.
> > Back in 1981, $193 went a long way towards a repair....it sure as hell
> > doesn't in 2003.
>
> But we're not talking about a repair. We're talking about a part. And
> all of the costs beyond manufacturing, even distribution, are
> across mamny, many parts in an inventory. There is nothing that
> justifies charging $193 for this part except for mistake or greed.
> Right now I'm sniffing greed. Greed and the arrogance of a dealer who
> would laugh in your face for having given him some consumer feedback.
> And they expect you to do what Rusty Warren sang about... "Roll me
> over, in the clover, roll me over, lay me down, and do it again).
>
> Well, I ain't doin' it again with Honda. And it's gonna cost 'em by
> word of mouth. See, I have the part and I can hand it to anyone and
> say, "How'd yuh like to hear the story behind this little gizmo?" If I
> keep this local dealer from selling one car, I'll be happy. I know I
> can do it. I'll be the Honda un-salesman. The non-Honda
> transportation consultant. I'll be the guy with a heart, not the guy
> without a heart.
>
> I have the part. The part screams "tell me the story." Guess how much
> I cost.
You're priceless.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
"expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
news:310720031529361713%common_sense@emodgnik.com. ..
> In article <cCfWa.293$9Q3.26194184@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com >, Larry
> <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > I have to get a good laugh out of this. This discussion wouldn't have
been
> > brought up had this been a Chev Chevette or Ford Escort that were both
made
> > in 1981.....those cars would have been long since dead as you see very
very
> > few of them on the road anymore, regardless of mileage. And don't
confuse
> > mileage with parts longevity as cars that are not driven much, usually
have
> > more things go wrong as time progresses. Low mileage cars usually live a
> > harder life than a car driven higher miles
> > Your decision to refuse to buy another Honda in this case, or any brand
for
> > that matter, because of this part is also very shortsighted. Get real,
this
> > is a 22 year old car! It is very difficult to get any car repaired for
less
> > than $200 anymore, given the cost of labor to install this $27 part
($80/hr
> > here). Have you even considered the Liability insurance, the Workers
> > Compensation insurance, the Group Medical, the local, state, and federal
> > taxes that the dealer and a manufacturer have to pay. It is extremely
high
> > these days.
> > Back in 1981, $193 went a long way towards a repair....it sure as hell
> > doesn't in 2003.
>
> But we're not talking about a repair. We're talking about a part. And
> all of the costs beyond manufacturing, even distribution, are
> across mamny, many parts in an inventory. There is nothing that
> justifies charging $193 for this part except for mistake or greed.
> Right now I'm sniffing greed. Greed and the arrogance of a dealer who
> would laugh in your face for having given him some consumer feedback.
> And they expect you to do what Rusty Warren sang about... "Roll me
> over, in the clover, roll me over, lay me down, and do it again).
>
> Well, I ain't doin' it again with Honda. And it's gonna cost 'em by
> word of mouth. See, I have the part and I can hand it to anyone and
> say, "How'd yuh like to hear the story behind this little gizmo?" If I
> keep this local dealer from selling one car, I'll be happy. I know I
> can do it. I'll be the Honda un-salesman. The non-Honda
> transportation consultant. I'll be the guy with a heart, not the guy
> without a heart.
>
> I have the part. The part screams "tell me the story." Guess how much
> I cost.
You're priceless.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <310720031331213549%common_sense@emodgnik.com>,
expensive <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
> Okay. That's fine. Mental gymnastics... kind of fun and creative... I
> can agree with that. The only really pertinent facts are that the part
> cost an arm and a leg as far as I'm concerned, I feel like I got ripped
> off, and I am not taking it without complaint.
San Leandro Honda sells it for $153.
expensive <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
> Okay. That's fine. Mental gymnastics... kind of fun and creative... I
> can agree with that. The only really pertinent facts are that the part
> cost an arm and a leg as far as I'm concerned, I feel like I got ripped
> off, and I am not taking it without complaint.
San Leandro Honda sells it for $153.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <310720031331213549%common_sense@emodgnik.com>,
expensive <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
> Okay. That's fine. Mental gymnastics... kind of fun and creative... I
> can agree with that. The only really pertinent facts are that the part
> cost an arm and a leg as far as I'm concerned, I feel like I got ripped
> off, and I am not taking it without complaint.
San Leandro Honda sells it for $153.
expensive <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
> Okay. That's fine. Mental gymnastics... kind of fun and creative... I
> can agree with that. The only really pertinent facts are that the part
> cost an arm and a leg as far as I'm concerned, I feel like I got ripped
> off, and I am not taking it without complaint.
San Leandro Honda sells it for $153.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <NxgWa.49479$PD3.4523593@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Brian Smith
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> "expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
> news:310720031343418107%>
> > Warranty is not the question. I believe that this part should not have
> > burned out in the first place, but it did, in which and like cases I
> > expect to pay something reasonable (even if it's at the high end of
> > reasonableness) for a replacement part, not get my wallet jacked out of
> > my jeans.
>
> You're going well past reasonable with this discussion. Do you really
> believe that anything man-made will last forever? In the same way as people
> get sick, vehicles break down, it's a fact of life.
>
> Whether you want to admit it or not, you are driving a vehicle that is
> twenty two years old. It does not matter that you only drive it a few times
> a week, the parts that make up the vehicle are twenty two years old and you
> are extremely lucky to have gotten that much time out of the vehicle.
>
> You're crying over a very small amount of money to get your vehicle back on
> the road. I think if this amount of petty cash has you worked up to this
> point, you probably can't afford to operate a vehicle in the first place. My
> god man, give your head a shake and when the rattling dies down, that means
> that the marbles have lined themselves back into place. LOL!
That's one way to look at it, I guess. But I don't agree. Once
someone feels as if they've been wronged, it's hard to dispel the
notion. So that's where I'm at. The dealer, in my opinion, made my
bank account smaller than he should have. If I do the same by telling
my igniter story, then turnabout's fair play.
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> "expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
> news:310720031343418107%>
> > Warranty is not the question. I believe that this part should not have
> > burned out in the first place, but it did, in which and like cases I
> > expect to pay something reasonable (even if it's at the high end of
> > reasonableness) for a replacement part, not get my wallet jacked out of
> > my jeans.
>
> You're going well past reasonable with this discussion. Do you really
> believe that anything man-made will last forever? In the same way as people
> get sick, vehicles break down, it's a fact of life.
>
> Whether you want to admit it or not, you are driving a vehicle that is
> twenty two years old. It does not matter that you only drive it a few times
> a week, the parts that make up the vehicle are twenty two years old and you
> are extremely lucky to have gotten that much time out of the vehicle.
>
> You're crying over a very small amount of money to get your vehicle back on
> the road. I think if this amount of petty cash has you worked up to this
> point, you probably can't afford to operate a vehicle in the first place. My
> god man, give your head a shake and when the rattling dies down, that means
> that the marbles have lined themselves back into place. LOL!
That's one way to look at it, I guess. But I don't agree. Once
someone feels as if they've been wronged, it's hard to dispel the
notion. So that's where I'm at. The dealer, in my opinion, made my
bank account smaller than he should have. If I do the same by telling
my igniter story, then turnabout's fair play.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <NxgWa.49479$PD3.4523593@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, Brian Smith
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> "expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
> news:310720031343418107%>
> > Warranty is not the question. I believe that this part should not have
> > burned out in the first place, but it did, in which and like cases I
> > expect to pay something reasonable (even if it's at the high end of
> > reasonableness) for a replacement part, not get my wallet jacked out of
> > my jeans.
>
> You're going well past reasonable with this discussion. Do you really
> believe that anything man-made will last forever? In the same way as people
> get sick, vehicles break down, it's a fact of life.
>
> Whether you want to admit it or not, you are driving a vehicle that is
> twenty two years old. It does not matter that you only drive it a few times
> a week, the parts that make up the vehicle are twenty two years old and you
> are extremely lucky to have gotten that much time out of the vehicle.
>
> You're crying over a very small amount of money to get your vehicle back on
> the road. I think if this amount of petty cash has you worked up to this
> point, you probably can't afford to operate a vehicle in the first place. My
> god man, give your head a shake and when the rattling dies down, that means
> that the marbles have lined themselves back into place. LOL!
That's one way to look at it, I guess. But I don't agree. Once
someone feels as if they've been wronged, it's hard to dispel the
notion. So that's where I'm at. The dealer, in my opinion, made my
bank account smaller than he should have. If I do the same by telling
my igniter story, then turnabout's fair play.
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> "expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
> news:310720031343418107%>
> > Warranty is not the question. I believe that this part should not have
> > burned out in the first place, but it did, in which and like cases I
> > expect to pay something reasonable (even if it's at the high end of
> > reasonableness) for a replacement part, not get my wallet jacked out of
> > my jeans.
>
> You're going well past reasonable with this discussion. Do you really
> believe that anything man-made will last forever? In the same way as people
> get sick, vehicles break down, it's a fact of life.
>
> Whether you want to admit it or not, you are driving a vehicle that is
> twenty two years old. It does not matter that you only drive it a few times
> a week, the parts that make up the vehicle are twenty two years old and you
> are extremely lucky to have gotten that much time out of the vehicle.
>
> You're crying over a very small amount of money to get your vehicle back on
> the road. I think if this amount of petty cash has you worked up to this
> point, you probably can't afford to operate a vehicle in the first place. My
> god man, give your head a shake and when the rattling dies down, that means
> that the marbles have lined themselves back into place. LOL!
That's one way to look at it, I guess. But I don't agree. Once
someone feels as if they've been wronged, it's hard to dispel the
notion. So that's where I'm at. The dealer, in my opinion, made my
bank account smaller than he should have. If I do the same by telling
my igniter story, then turnabout's fair play.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <8IgWa.49175$Id4.38887@fe10.atl2.webusenet.com>, Elmo P.
Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <310720031331213549%common_sense@emodgnik.com>,
> expensive <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay. That's fine. Mental gymnastics... kind of fun and creative... I
> > can agree with that. The only really pertinent facts are that the part
> > cost an arm and a leg as far as I'm concerned, I feel like I got ripped
> > off, and I am not taking it without complaint.
>
> San Leandro Honda sells it for $153.
Thank you.
That's still too much as far as I'm concerned. Halve that and I'm
still sore but not so much that I'd complain.
Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <310720031331213549%common_sense@emodgnik.com>,
> expensive <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay. That's fine. Mental gymnastics... kind of fun and creative... I
> > can agree with that. The only really pertinent facts are that the part
> > cost an arm and a leg as far as I'm concerned, I feel like I got ripped
> > off, and I am not taking it without complaint.
>
> San Leandro Honda sells it for $153.
Thank you.
That's still too much as far as I'm concerned. Halve that and I'm
still sore but not so much that I'd complain.