MORE than expensive - outrageous!
#121
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <8IgWa.49175$Id4.38887@fe10.atl2.webusenet.com>, Elmo P.
Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <310720031331213549%common_sense@emodgnik.com>,
> expensive <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay. That's fine. Mental gymnastics... kind of fun and creative... I
> > can agree with that. The only really pertinent facts are that the part
> > cost an arm and a leg as far as I'm concerned, I feel like I got ripped
> > off, and I am not taking it without complaint.
>
> San Leandro Honda sells it for $153.
Thank you.
That's still too much as far as I'm concerned. Halve that and I'm
still sore but not so much that I'd complain.
Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <310720031331213549%common_sense@emodgnik.com>,
> expensive <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay. That's fine. Mental gymnastics... kind of fun and creative... I
> > can agree with that. The only really pertinent facts are that the part
> > cost an arm and a leg as far as I'm concerned, I feel like I got ripped
> > off, and I am not taking it without complaint.
>
> San Leandro Honda sells it for $153.
Thank you.
That's still too much as far as I'm concerned. Halve that and I'm
still sore but not so much that I'd complain.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Even if the car has only 110,00 miles it stll is 22 years. Some parts
will need replacing even with the low mileage.
I feel like I'm explaining this to my cat. God said forgive them they
do not know any better.
Daniel
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:12:06 GMT, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>
>I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
>While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
>has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
>Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
>was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
>Okay, so the repair bill was $193 for just the part! It's a little
>sucka that ain't much bigger than your average rotor. After getting
>home, I took the old igniter and pulled off a little cap to see what
>was inside. Just a few electronic components not much unlike the kind
>I see in computers.
>
>The whole gizmo with the cap on weighs 1.25 ounces. Comparing with my
>notebook computer at 7 pounds, that's 7 pounds times 16 ounces = 112
>ounces; divided by 1.25 ounces I get a factor of close to 90. 90 times
>$193 comes to approximately $17,000.
>
>That's pretty astounding. And I thought Apple computers were
>expensive! Listen, my Apple notebook, a marvel of miniaturization, was
>$2,400. Dividing $2,400 by 90 I get about $27, which seems like a
>reasonable price for the part.
>
>So how does Honda figure they can both sell outrageously expensive
>parts like this while, at the same time, keep customers? I went into
>the sales room and confronted the sales manager with the part and the
>price. He simply laughed.
>
>There is no way I will ever buy another Honda. I don't care what the
>price is for parts for the next car (my last car, when I retire), Honda
>is not on my shopping list. And something the manufacturer does not
>count on... I will carry that part on my dashboard as a conversation
>piece. I should be able to turn a few people away from Honda with it.
>It shouldn't make much of a dent in Honda's sales, but, as everyone
>knows, the landscape is littered with the corpses of companies that
>abused their customers.
>
>$193 for a $27 part, indeed! That's abusive!
#123
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Even if the car has only 110,00 miles it stll is 22 years. Some parts
will need replacing even with the low mileage.
I feel like I'm explaining this to my cat. God said forgive them they
do not know any better.
Daniel
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:12:06 GMT, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>
>I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
>While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
>has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
>Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
>was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
>Okay, so the repair bill was $193 for just the part! It's a little
>sucka that ain't much bigger than your average rotor. After getting
>home, I took the old igniter and pulled off a little cap to see what
>was inside. Just a few electronic components not much unlike the kind
>I see in computers.
>
>The whole gizmo with the cap on weighs 1.25 ounces. Comparing with my
>notebook computer at 7 pounds, that's 7 pounds times 16 ounces = 112
>ounces; divided by 1.25 ounces I get a factor of close to 90. 90 times
>$193 comes to approximately $17,000.
>
>That's pretty astounding. And I thought Apple computers were
>expensive! Listen, my Apple notebook, a marvel of miniaturization, was
>$2,400. Dividing $2,400 by 90 I get about $27, which seems like a
>reasonable price for the part.
>
>So how does Honda figure they can both sell outrageously expensive
>parts like this while, at the same time, keep customers? I went into
>the sales room and confronted the sales manager with the part and the
>price. He simply laughed.
>
>There is no way I will ever buy another Honda. I don't care what the
>price is for parts for the next car (my last car, when I retire), Honda
>is not on my shopping list. And something the manufacturer does not
>count on... I will carry that part on my dashboard as a conversation
>piece. I should be able to turn a few people away from Honda with it.
>It shouldn't make much of a dent in Honda's sales, but, as everyone
>knows, the landscape is littered with the corpses of companies that
>abused their customers.
>
>$193 for a $27 part, indeed! That's abusive!
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Rex,
I am doing that now from a guy in Nevada...he has some stock 1200
parts. Lots of 1200 owners here (and just about all of them in
Australia) throw out the stock parts to put in other stuff...for
racing mods. Trying to keep a car stock seems to be harder to do.
But I will admit, I have not at all exhausted the auto salvage yards,
even locally. Still, the fact that the car is so old and yard owners
often shred the older cars, I doubt I'll find on there. LOTS of Datsun
Z Cars, though!
I will continue to look for a good parts car.
Thanks,
John D.
NOSPAMrex@REMOVEtxol.net (Rex B) wrote in message news:<3f2961b5.279326072@news.txol.net>...
> |
> |As for finding an 1981 car in an auto salvage yard after all these
> |years, I have the SAME problem but a whole lot worse: Try finding a
> |1973 Datsun 1200!
> |
> |But as for parts, I haven't seen one of these cars in a junkyard for
> |years. Eventually I may have to give it up just for that reason...I
> |guess that sometimes happens if you keep a car long enough.
>
> Buy a parts car from an individual and pay someone to store it for you where you
> can access it as needed.
I am doing that now from a guy in Nevada...he has some stock 1200
parts. Lots of 1200 owners here (and just about all of them in
Australia) throw out the stock parts to put in other stuff...for
racing mods. Trying to keep a car stock seems to be harder to do.
But I will admit, I have not at all exhausted the auto salvage yards,
even locally. Still, the fact that the car is so old and yard owners
often shred the older cars, I doubt I'll find on there. LOTS of Datsun
Z Cars, though!
I will continue to look for a good parts car.
Thanks,
John D.
NOSPAMrex@REMOVEtxol.net (Rex B) wrote in message news:<3f2961b5.279326072@news.txol.net>...
> |
> |As for finding an 1981 car in an auto salvage yard after all these
> |years, I have the SAME problem but a whole lot worse: Try finding a
> |1973 Datsun 1200!
> |
> |But as for parts, I haven't seen one of these cars in a junkyard for
> |years. Eventually I may have to give it up just for that reason...I
> |guess that sometimes happens if you keep a car long enough.
>
> Buy a parts car from an individual and pay someone to store it for you where you
> can access it as needed.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Rex,
I am doing that now from a guy in Nevada...he has some stock 1200
parts. Lots of 1200 owners here (and just about all of them in
Australia) throw out the stock parts to put in other stuff...for
racing mods. Trying to keep a car stock seems to be harder to do.
But I will admit, I have not at all exhausted the auto salvage yards,
even locally. Still, the fact that the car is so old and yard owners
often shred the older cars, I doubt I'll find on there. LOTS of Datsun
Z Cars, though!
I will continue to look for a good parts car.
Thanks,
John D.
NOSPAMrex@REMOVEtxol.net (Rex B) wrote in message news:<3f2961b5.279326072@news.txol.net>...
> |
> |As for finding an 1981 car in an auto salvage yard after all these
> |years, I have the SAME problem but a whole lot worse: Try finding a
> |1973 Datsun 1200!
> |
> |But as for parts, I haven't seen one of these cars in a junkyard for
> |years. Eventually I may have to give it up just for that reason...I
> |guess that sometimes happens if you keep a car long enough.
>
> Buy a parts car from an individual and pay someone to store it for you where you
> can access it as needed.
I am doing that now from a guy in Nevada...he has some stock 1200
parts. Lots of 1200 owners here (and just about all of them in
Australia) throw out the stock parts to put in other stuff...for
racing mods. Trying to keep a car stock seems to be harder to do.
But I will admit, I have not at all exhausted the auto salvage yards,
even locally. Still, the fact that the car is so old and yard owners
often shred the older cars, I doubt I'll find on there. LOTS of Datsun
Z Cars, though!
I will continue to look for a good parts car.
Thanks,
John D.
NOSPAMrex@REMOVEtxol.net (Rex B) wrote in message news:<3f2961b5.279326072@news.txol.net>...
> |
> |As for finding an 1981 car in an auto salvage yard after all these
> |years, I have the SAME problem but a whole lot worse: Try finding a
> |1973 Datsun 1200!
> |
> |But as for parts, I haven't seen one of these cars in a junkyard for
> |years. Eventually I may have to give it up just for that reason...I
> |guess that sometimes happens if you keep a car long enough.
>
> Buy a parts car from an individual and pay someone to store it for you where you
> can access it as needed.
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That's it I just went out and set fire to my 2002 Accord. Saw my
neighbour do the same this thread is really working.
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:50:03 GMT, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>In article <Xns93C9B5DE25BBAwyrmshutup@130.133.1.4>, Pahsons -
>Somnolent <pahsons@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> Falling asleep through expensive's post...
>
>> > Somehow I have to believe that this is not the only thing that astounds
>> > you.
>
>> That you're going on and on about it does as well
>
>THAT's not astounding. What does astounding mean? To astonish and
>bewilder? I didn't realize that I had that power. Actually, I think
>that I am just persistent. And willing to stick around long enough to
>create a thread that nobody who is thinking about buying a Honda can
>miss if they come over to this group to accomplish due diligence.
>
>> > The $19.30 figure was derived from the $193.00 price and my speculation
>> > that perhaps some math-challenged Japanese fellow misplaced the decimal
>> > point.
>
>> Haha, that was good
>
>Y'know, it's possible. I think Haha was the name of the guy at the
>cash register.
>
>> > If you happen to run across an '81 Honda in a junkyard, take out the
>> > igniter and pry off the cap to look inside. It REALLY DOES look like a
>> > $19.30 part. If they sold it for $50, I wouldn't have a problem with
>> > it.
>
>> I've learned that you cannot price parts like that in a junkyard. The hard
>> way.
>
>Like I said, IF you run across an '81 Honda in a junkyard. Maybe in
>California. Anywhere else and 81's have gone the way of other cars of
>the era.
>
>> > By the way, I'm not a complete mechanical idiot. Next time you fly you
>> > should think about the fact that I may have just worked on one of the
>> > engines or perhaps the flaps or landing gear. Sorry in advance.
>
>> I take back any remark then. Still, the way you carried on sounded like
>> one without any mechanical experience.
>
>I used to like working on cars. I hate it now.
>
>> > Oh, and age may have something to do with it, but a well-maintained car
>> > is is less a creature of age than mileage. My '81 Honda is really sort
>> > of middle-aged at 110,000 miles. But, if you looked at it, mostly due
>> > to the bad paint year of 1981, it looks like it should be scrapped.
>>
>> Even if parts are never supposed to die in Hondas, and your's was a rare
>> part to break, remember the time it was made. Electronics have come a long
>> way. You got 22 years out of it. Low milage or not, it's sat through at
>> least 21 winters and summers, all of which can with a consumer grade
>> part. But, you are expecting a little much, now knowing that you were/are
>> an avaition mechanic. They don't build cars like those planes! Especially
>> back then
>
>I suppose. I'm tired of arguing "it shouldn't have burned out because
>it has low mileage" versus "it should have burned out because your car
>is so old." The mechanic was as surprised as I was. he said it was a
>rare occurrence. I don't appreciate being ripped off by the dealer for
>the replacement part.
>
>And they don't build planes like you think. I won't fly. I haven't
>flown for 20 years and I don't plan on it ever again.
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That's it I just went out and set fire to my 2002 Accord. Saw my
neighbour do the same this thread is really working.
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 22:50:03 GMT, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
>In article <Xns93C9B5DE25BBAwyrmshutup@130.133.1.4>, Pahsons -
>Somnolent <pahsons@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> Falling asleep through expensive's post...
>
>> > Somehow I have to believe that this is not the only thing that astounds
>> > you.
>
>> That you're going on and on about it does as well
>
>THAT's not astounding. What does astounding mean? To astonish and
>bewilder? I didn't realize that I had that power. Actually, I think
>that I am just persistent. And willing to stick around long enough to
>create a thread that nobody who is thinking about buying a Honda can
>miss if they come over to this group to accomplish due diligence.
>
>> > The $19.30 figure was derived from the $193.00 price and my speculation
>> > that perhaps some math-challenged Japanese fellow misplaced the decimal
>> > point.
>
>> Haha, that was good
>
>Y'know, it's possible. I think Haha was the name of the guy at the
>cash register.
>
>> > If you happen to run across an '81 Honda in a junkyard, take out the
>> > igniter and pry off the cap to look inside. It REALLY DOES look like a
>> > $19.30 part. If they sold it for $50, I wouldn't have a problem with
>> > it.
>
>> I've learned that you cannot price parts like that in a junkyard. The hard
>> way.
>
>Like I said, IF you run across an '81 Honda in a junkyard. Maybe in
>California. Anywhere else and 81's have gone the way of other cars of
>the era.
>
>> > By the way, I'm not a complete mechanical idiot. Next time you fly you
>> > should think about the fact that I may have just worked on one of the
>> > engines or perhaps the flaps or landing gear. Sorry in advance.
>
>> I take back any remark then. Still, the way you carried on sounded like
>> one without any mechanical experience.
>
>I used to like working on cars. I hate it now.
>
>> > Oh, and age may have something to do with it, but a well-maintained car
>> > is is less a creature of age than mileage. My '81 Honda is really sort
>> > of middle-aged at 110,000 miles. But, if you looked at it, mostly due
>> > to the bad paint year of 1981, it looks like it should be scrapped.
>>
>> Even if parts are never supposed to die in Hondas, and your's was a rare
>> part to break, remember the time it was made. Electronics have come a long
>> way. You got 22 years out of it. Low milage or not, it's sat through at
>> least 21 winters and summers, all of which can with a consumer grade
>> part. But, you are expecting a little much, now knowing that you were/are
>> an avaition mechanic. They don't build cars like those planes! Especially
>> back then
>
>I suppose. I'm tired of arguing "it shouldn't have burned out because
>it has low mileage" versus "it should have burned out because your car
>is so old." The mechanic was as surprised as I was. he said it was a
>rare occurrence. I don't appreciate being ripped off by the dealer for
>the replacement part.
>
>And they don't build planes like you think. I won't fly. I haven't
>flown for 20 years and I don't plan on it ever again.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <300720031914480532%common_sense@emodgnik.com>, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
> I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
> While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
> has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
> Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
> was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
> Okay, so the repair bill was $193 for just the part! It's a little
> sucka that ain't much bigger than your average rotor. After getting
> home, I took the old igniter and pulled off a little cap to see what
> was inside. Just a few electronic components not much unlike the kind
> I see in computers.
>
> The whole gizmo with the cap on weighs 1.25 ounces. Comparing with my
> notebook computer at 7 pounds, that's 7 pounds times 16 ounces = 112
> ounces; divided by 1.25 ounces I get a factor of close to 90. 90 times
> $193 comes to approximately $17,000.
>
> That's pretty astounding. And I thought Apple computers were
> expensive! Listen, my Apple notebook, a marvel of miniaturization, was
> $2,400. Dividing $2,400 by 90 I get about $27, which seems like a
> reasonable price for the part.
>
> So how does Honda figure they can both sell outrageously expensive
> parts like this while, at the same time, keep customers? I went into
> the sales room and confronted the sales manager with the part and the
> price. He simply laughed.
>
> There is no way I will ever buy another Honda. I don't care what the
> price is for parts for the next car (my last car, when I retire), Honda
> is not on my shopping list. And something the manufacturer does not
> count on... I will carry that part on my dashboard as a conversation
> piece. I should be able to turn a few people away from Honda with it.
> It shouldn't make much of a dent in Honda's sales, but, as everyone
> knows, the landscape is littered with the corpses of companies that
> abused their customers.
>
> $193 for a $27 part, indeed! That's abusive!
I only read a couple of the many posted responses. I'll add my two cents.
I believe you left out some very important information. I believe you
failed to mention the amount of time spent by the mechanic hooking up the
computerized testing equipment and disconnecting it. You paid for his time
used to figure out what was wrong with your car. You also paid for his
time in removing the old part and replacing the new part. If you check
your bill very carefully--you will see that most of the charges on the
bill were related to labor. If I am wrong about some of these
statements--I apologize. I suppose that it is possible that the part
actually did cost $193 but I doubt it.
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
> I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
> While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
> has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
> Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
> was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
> Okay, so the repair bill was $193 for just the part! It's a little
> sucka that ain't much bigger than your average rotor. After getting
> home, I took the old igniter and pulled off a little cap to see what
> was inside. Just a few electronic components not much unlike the kind
> I see in computers.
>
> The whole gizmo with the cap on weighs 1.25 ounces. Comparing with my
> notebook computer at 7 pounds, that's 7 pounds times 16 ounces = 112
> ounces; divided by 1.25 ounces I get a factor of close to 90. 90 times
> $193 comes to approximately $17,000.
>
> That's pretty astounding. And I thought Apple computers were
> expensive! Listen, my Apple notebook, a marvel of miniaturization, was
> $2,400. Dividing $2,400 by 90 I get about $27, which seems like a
> reasonable price for the part.
>
> So how does Honda figure they can both sell outrageously expensive
> parts like this while, at the same time, keep customers? I went into
> the sales room and confronted the sales manager with the part and the
> price. He simply laughed.
>
> There is no way I will ever buy another Honda. I don't care what the
> price is for parts for the next car (my last car, when I retire), Honda
> is not on my shopping list. And something the manufacturer does not
> count on... I will carry that part on my dashboard as a conversation
> piece. I should be able to turn a few people away from Honda with it.
> It shouldn't make much of a dent in Honda's sales, but, as everyone
> knows, the landscape is littered with the corpses of companies that
> abused their customers.
>
> $193 for a $27 part, indeed! That's abusive!
I only read a couple of the many posted responses. I'll add my two cents.
I believe you left out some very important information. I believe you
failed to mention the amount of time spent by the mechanic hooking up the
computerized testing equipment and disconnecting it. You paid for his time
used to figure out what was wrong with your car. You also paid for his
time in removing the old part and replacing the new part. If you check
your bill very carefully--you will see that most of the charges on the
bill were related to labor. If I am wrong about some of these
statements--I apologize. I suppose that it is possible that the part
actually did cost $193 but I doubt it.
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article <300720031914480532%common_sense@emodgnik.com>, expensive
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
> I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
> While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
> has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
> Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
> was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
> Okay, so the repair bill was $193 for just the part! It's a little
> sucka that ain't much bigger than your average rotor. After getting
> home, I took the old igniter and pulled off a little cap to see what
> was inside. Just a few electronic components not much unlike the kind
> I see in computers.
>
> The whole gizmo with the cap on weighs 1.25 ounces. Comparing with my
> notebook computer at 7 pounds, that's 7 pounds times 16 ounces = 112
> ounces; divided by 1.25 ounces I get a factor of close to 90. 90 times
> $193 comes to approximately $17,000.
>
> That's pretty astounding. And I thought Apple computers were
> expensive! Listen, my Apple notebook, a marvel of miniaturization, was
> $2,400. Dividing $2,400 by 90 I get about $27, which seems like a
> reasonable price for the part.
>
> So how does Honda figure they can both sell outrageously expensive
> parts like this while, at the same time, keep customers? I went into
> the sales room and confronted the sales manager with the part and the
> price. He simply laughed.
>
> There is no way I will ever buy another Honda. I don't care what the
> price is for parts for the next car (my last car, when I retire), Honda
> is not on my shopping list. And something the manufacturer does not
> count on... I will carry that part on my dashboard as a conversation
> piece. I should be able to turn a few people away from Honda with it.
> It shouldn't make much of a dent in Honda's sales, but, as everyone
> knows, the landscape is littered with the corpses of companies that
> abused their customers.
>
> $193 for a $27 part, indeed! That's abusive!
I only read a couple of the many posted responses. I'll add my two cents.
I believe you left out some very important information. I believe you
failed to mention the amount of time spent by the mechanic hooking up the
computerized testing equipment and disconnecting it. You paid for his time
used to figure out what was wrong with your car. You also paid for his
time in removing the old part and replacing the new part. If you check
your bill very carefully--you will see that most of the charges on the
bill were related to labor. If I am wrong about some of these
statements--I apologize. I suppose that it is possible that the part
actually did cost $193 but I doubt it.
<common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote:
> I'm very angry. And for good cause.
>
> While zooming along the freeway in my '81 Honda (my second Honda, which
> has 109,000 miles on it), I suddenly lost power. After a $100 tow, the
> Honda mechanic replaced the igniter. I didn't know what it was, so it
> was explained to me that it replaces the points.
>
> Okay, so the repair bill was $193 for just the part! It's a little
> sucka that ain't much bigger than your average rotor. After getting
> home, I took the old igniter and pulled off a little cap to see what
> was inside. Just a few electronic components not much unlike the kind
> I see in computers.
>
> The whole gizmo with the cap on weighs 1.25 ounces. Comparing with my
> notebook computer at 7 pounds, that's 7 pounds times 16 ounces = 112
> ounces; divided by 1.25 ounces I get a factor of close to 90. 90 times
> $193 comes to approximately $17,000.
>
> That's pretty astounding. And I thought Apple computers were
> expensive! Listen, my Apple notebook, a marvel of miniaturization, was
> $2,400. Dividing $2,400 by 90 I get about $27, which seems like a
> reasonable price for the part.
>
> So how does Honda figure they can both sell outrageously expensive
> parts like this while, at the same time, keep customers? I went into
> the sales room and confronted the sales manager with the part and the
> price. He simply laughed.
>
> There is no way I will ever buy another Honda. I don't care what the
> price is for parts for the next car (my last car, when I retire), Honda
> is not on my shopping list. And something the manufacturer does not
> count on... I will carry that part on my dashboard as a conversation
> piece. I should be able to turn a few people away from Honda with it.
> It shouldn't make much of a dent in Honda's sales, but, as everyone
> knows, the landscape is littered with the corpses of companies that
> abused their customers.
>
> $193 for a $27 part, indeed! That's abusive!
I only read a couple of the many posted responses. I'll add my two cents.
I believe you left out some very important information. I believe you
failed to mention the amount of time spent by the mechanic hooking up the
computerized testing equipment and disconnecting it. You paid for his time
used to figure out what was wrong with your car. You also paid for his
time in removing the old part and replacing the new part. If you check
your bill very carefully--you will see that most of the charges on the
bill were related to labor. If I am wrong about some of these
statements--I apologize. I suppose that it is possible that the part
actually did cost $193 but I doubt it.
#130
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Okay, before anyone kills me for posting binaries here, it was a
mistake.
I got the first one, the biggest one,
- gizmo_a.jpg (1/1) pictures for alt.autos.honda
posted to
alt binaries.test.
But the other two showed up here. Fortunately they were the smaller
ones.
I know that this isn't a binaries group, so please forgive me.
#131
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Posts: n/a
Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Okay, before anyone kills me for posting binaries here, it was a
mistake.
I got the first one, the biggest one,
- gizmo_a.jpg (1/1) pictures for alt.autos.honda
posted to
alt binaries.test.
But the other two showed up here. Fortunately they were the smaller
ones.
I know that this isn't a binaries group, so please forgive me.
#132
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Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Go price auto glass for older cars.....its more costly for 20-40 year old
cars than the newer ones in production as there are fewer of them on the
road, the glass becomes more expensive, as they can't the cost over
many many units. Auto parts are the same thing.....there aren't near as
many 81 Civics on the road as there might be 91 or 01 Civics. Companies do
not look at the profitability of ing the cost around.....they look at
he profitability of having to support each unit. If this part were no
longer made, you'd gladly pay your $193 to obtain it....used....to get your
car running again. Its your money...you can spend it where you want.....but
don't blame Honda for this.....its pure and simple economics of scale.
"expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
news:310720031529361713%common_sense@emodgnik.com. ..
> In article <cCfWa.293$9Q3.26194184@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com >, Larry
> <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > I have to get a good laugh out of this. This discussion wouldn't have
been
> > brought up had this been a Chev Chevette or Ford Escort that were both
made
> > in 1981.....those cars would have been long since dead as you see very
very
> > few of them on the road anymore, regardless of mileage. And don't
confuse
> > mileage with parts longevity as cars that are not driven much, usually
have
> > more things go wrong as time progresses. Low mileage cars usually live a
> > harder life than a car driven higher miles
> > Your decision to refuse to buy another Honda in this case, or any brand
for
> > that matter, because of this part is also very shortsighted. Get real,
this
> > is a 22 year old car! It is very difficult to get any car repaired for
less
> > than $200 anymore, given the cost of labor to install this $27 part
($80/hr
> > here). Have you even considered the Liability insurance, the Workers
> > Compensation insurance, the Group Medical, the local, state, and federal
> > taxes that the dealer and a manufacturer have to pay. It is extremely
high
> > these days.
> > Back in 1981, $193 went a long way towards a repair....it sure as hell
> > doesn't in 2003.
>
> But we're not talking about a repair. We're talking about a part. And
> all of the costs beyond manufacturing, even distribution, are
> across mamny, many parts in an inventory. There is nothing that
> justifies charging $193 for this part except for mistake or greed.
> Right now I'm sniffing greed. Greed and the arrogance of a dealer who
> would laugh in your face for having given him some consumer feedback.
> And they expect you to do what Rusty Warren sang about... "Roll me
> over, in the clover, roll me over, lay me down, and do it again).
>
> Well, I ain't doin' it again with Honda. And it's gonna cost 'em by
> word of mouth. See, I have the part and I can hand it to anyone and
> say, "How'd yuh like to hear the story behind this little gizmo?" If I
> keep this local dealer from selling one car, I'll be happy. I know I
> can do it. I'll be the Honda un-salesman. The non-Honda
> transportation consultant. I'll be the guy with a heart, not the guy
> without a heart.
>
> I have the part. The part screams "tell me the story." Guess how much
> I cost.
cars than the newer ones in production as there are fewer of them on the
road, the glass becomes more expensive, as they can't the cost over
many many units. Auto parts are the same thing.....there aren't near as
many 81 Civics on the road as there might be 91 or 01 Civics. Companies do
not look at the profitability of ing the cost around.....they look at
he profitability of having to support each unit. If this part were no
longer made, you'd gladly pay your $193 to obtain it....used....to get your
car running again. Its your money...you can spend it where you want.....but
don't blame Honda for this.....its pure and simple economics of scale.
"expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
news:310720031529361713%common_sense@emodgnik.com. ..
> In article <cCfWa.293$9Q3.26194184@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com >, Larry
> <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > I have to get a good laugh out of this. This discussion wouldn't have
been
> > brought up had this been a Chev Chevette or Ford Escort that were both
made
> > in 1981.....those cars would have been long since dead as you see very
very
> > few of them on the road anymore, regardless of mileage. And don't
confuse
> > mileage with parts longevity as cars that are not driven much, usually
have
> > more things go wrong as time progresses. Low mileage cars usually live a
> > harder life than a car driven higher miles
> > Your decision to refuse to buy another Honda in this case, or any brand
for
> > that matter, because of this part is also very shortsighted. Get real,
this
> > is a 22 year old car! It is very difficult to get any car repaired for
less
> > than $200 anymore, given the cost of labor to install this $27 part
($80/hr
> > here). Have you even considered the Liability insurance, the Workers
> > Compensation insurance, the Group Medical, the local, state, and federal
> > taxes that the dealer and a manufacturer have to pay. It is extremely
high
> > these days.
> > Back in 1981, $193 went a long way towards a repair....it sure as hell
> > doesn't in 2003.
>
> But we're not talking about a repair. We're talking about a part. And
> all of the costs beyond manufacturing, even distribution, are
> across mamny, many parts in an inventory. There is nothing that
> justifies charging $193 for this part except for mistake or greed.
> Right now I'm sniffing greed. Greed and the arrogance of a dealer who
> would laugh in your face for having given him some consumer feedback.
> And they expect you to do what Rusty Warren sang about... "Roll me
> over, in the clover, roll me over, lay me down, and do it again).
>
> Well, I ain't doin' it again with Honda. And it's gonna cost 'em by
> word of mouth. See, I have the part and I can hand it to anyone and
> say, "How'd yuh like to hear the story behind this little gizmo?" If I
> keep this local dealer from selling one car, I'll be happy. I know I
> can do it. I'll be the Honda un-salesman. The non-Honda
> transportation consultant. I'll be the guy with a heart, not the guy
> without a heart.
>
> I have the part. The part screams "tell me the story." Guess how much
> I cost.
#133
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
Go price auto glass for older cars.....its more costly for 20-40 year old
cars than the newer ones in production as there are fewer of them on the
road, the glass becomes more expensive, as they can't the cost over
many many units. Auto parts are the same thing.....there aren't near as
many 81 Civics on the road as there might be 91 or 01 Civics. Companies do
not look at the profitability of ing the cost around.....they look at
he profitability of having to support each unit. If this part were no
longer made, you'd gladly pay your $193 to obtain it....used....to get your
car running again. Its your money...you can spend it where you want.....but
don't blame Honda for this.....its pure and simple economics of scale.
"expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
news:310720031529361713%common_sense@emodgnik.com. ..
> In article <cCfWa.293$9Q3.26194184@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com >, Larry
> <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > I have to get a good laugh out of this. This discussion wouldn't have
been
> > brought up had this been a Chev Chevette or Ford Escort that were both
made
> > in 1981.....those cars would have been long since dead as you see very
very
> > few of them on the road anymore, regardless of mileage. And don't
confuse
> > mileage with parts longevity as cars that are not driven much, usually
have
> > more things go wrong as time progresses. Low mileage cars usually live a
> > harder life than a car driven higher miles
> > Your decision to refuse to buy another Honda in this case, or any brand
for
> > that matter, because of this part is also very shortsighted. Get real,
this
> > is a 22 year old car! It is very difficult to get any car repaired for
less
> > than $200 anymore, given the cost of labor to install this $27 part
($80/hr
> > here). Have you even considered the Liability insurance, the Workers
> > Compensation insurance, the Group Medical, the local, state, and federal
> > taxes that the dealer and a manufacturer have to pay. It is extremely
high
> > these days.
> > Back in 1981, $193 went a long way towards a repair....it sure as hell
> > doesn't in 2003.
>
> But we're not talking about a repair. We're talking about a part. And
> all of the costs beyond manufacturing, even distribution, are
> across mamny, many parts in an inventory. There is nothing that
> justifies charging $193 for this part except for mistake or greed.
> Right now I'm sniffing greed. Greed and the arrogance of a dealer who
> would laugh in your face for having given him some consumer feedback.
> And they expect you to do what Rusty Warren sang about... "Roll me
> over, in the clover, roll me over, lay me down, and do it again).
>
> Well, I ain't doin' it again with Honda. And it's gonna cost 'em by
> word of mouth. See, I have the part and I can hand it to anyone and
> say, "How'd yuh like to hear the story behind this little gizmo?" If I
> keep this local dealer from selling one car, I'll be happy. I know I
> can do it. I'll be the Honda un-salesman. The non-Honda
> transportation consultant. I'll be the guy with a heart, not the guy
> without a heart.
>
> I have the part. The part screams "tell me the story." Guess how much
> I cost.
cars than the newer ones in production as there are fewer of them on the
road, the glass becomes more expensive, as they can't the cost over
many many units. Auto parts are the same thing.....there aren't near as
many 81 Civics on the road as there might be 91 or 01 Civics. Companies do
not look at the profitability of ing the cost around.....they look at
he profitability of having to support each unit. If this part were no
longer made, you'd gladly pay your $193 to obtain it....used....to get your
car running again. Its your money...you can spend it where you want.....but
don't blame Honda for this.....its pure and simple economics of scale.
"expensive" <common_sense@emodgnik.com> wrote in message
news:310720031529361713%common_sense@emodgnik.com. ..
> In article <cCfWa.293$9Q3.26194184@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com >, Larry
> <zieglerl@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > I have to get a good laugh out of this. This discussion wouldn't have
been
> > brought up had this been a Chev Chevette or Ford Escort that were both
made
> > in 1981.....those cars would have been long since dead as you see very
very
> > few of them on the road anymore, regardless of mileage. And don't
confuse
> > mileage with parts longevity as cars that are not driven much, usually
have
> > more things go wrong as time progresses. Low mileage cars usually live a
> > harder life than a car driven higher miles
> > Your decision to refuse to buy another Honda in this case, or any brand
for
> > that matter, because of this part is also very shortsighted. Get real,
this
> > is a 22 year old car! It is very difficult to get any car repaired for
less
> > than $200 anymore, given the cost of labor to install this $27 part
($80/hr
> > here). Have you even considered the Liability insurance, the Workers
> > Compensation insurance, the Group Medical, the local, state, and federal
> > taxes that the dealer and a manufacturer have to pay. It is extremely
high
> > these days.
> > Back in 1981, $193 went a long way towards a repair....it sure as hell
> > doesn't in 2003.
>
> But we're not talking about a repair. We're talking about a part. And
> all of the costs beyond manufacturing, even distribution, are
> across mamny, many parts in an inventory. There is nothing that
> justifies charging $193 for this part except for mistake or greed.
> Right now I'm sniffing greed. Greed and the arrogance of a dealer who
> would laugh in your face for having given him some consumer feedback.
> And they expect you to do what Rusty Warren sang about... "Roll me
> over, in the clover, roll me over, lay me down, and do it again).
>
> Well, I ain't doin' it again with Honda. And it's gonna cost 'em by
> word of mouth. See, I have the part and I can hand it to anyone and
> say, "How'd yuh like to hear the story behind this little gizmo?" If I
> keep this local dealer from selling one car, I'll be happy. I know I
> can do it. I'll be the Honda un-salesman. The non-Honda
> transportation consultant. I'll be the guy with a heart, not the guy
> without a heart.
>
> I have the part. The part screams "tell me the story." Guess how much
> I cost.
#134
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Posts: n/a
Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article
<billbjohnson555-3107031621520001@pm2-broad-159.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
Bill B. Johnson <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
> I only read a couple of the many posted responses. I'll add my two cents.
> I believe you left out some very important information. I believe you
> failed to mention the amount of time spent by the mechanic hooking up the
> computerized testing equipment and disconnecting it. You paid for his time
> used to figure out what was wrong with your car. You also paid for his
> time in removing the old part and replacing the new part. If you check
> your bill very carefully--you will see that most of the charges on the
> bill were related to labor. If I am wrong about some of these
> statements--I apologize. I suppose that it is possible that the part
> actually did cost $193 but I doubt it.
The part alone is $193 at the Honda dealer's parts counter.
<billbjohnson555-3107031621520001@pm2-broad-159.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
Bill B. Johnson <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
> I only read a couple of the many posted responses. I'll add my two cents.
> I believe you left out some very important information. I believe you
> failed to mention the amount of time spent by the mechanic hooking up the
> computerized testing equipment and disconnecting it. You paid for his time
> used to figure out what was wrong with your car. You also paid for his
> time in removing the old part and replacing the new part. If you check
> your bill very carefully--you will see that most of the charges on the
> bill were related to labor. If I am wrong about some of these
> statements--I apologize. I suppose that it is possible that the part
> actually did cost $193 but I doubt it.
The part alone is $193 at the Honda dealer's parts counter.
#135
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: MORE than expensive - outrageous!
In article
<billbjohnson555-3107031621520001@pm2-broad-159.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
Bill B. Johnson <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
> I only read a couple of the many posted responses. I'll add my two cents.
> I believe you left out some very important information. I believe you
> failed to mention the amount of time spent by the mechanic hooking up the
> computerized testing equipment and disconnecting it. You paid for his time
> used to figure out what was wrong with your car. You also paid for his
> time in removing the old part and replacing the new part. If you check
> your bill very carefully--you will see that most of the charges on the
> bill were related to labor. If I am wrong about some of these
> statements--I apologize. I suppose that it is possible that the part
> actually did cost $193 but I doubt it.
The part alone is $193 at the Honda dealer's parts counter.
<billbjohnson555-3107031621520001@pm2-broad-159.snlo.dialup.fix.net>,
Bill B. Johnson <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
> I only read a couple of the many posted responses. I'll add my two cents.
> I believe you left out some very important information. I believe you
> failed to mention the amount of time spent by the mechanic hooking up the
> computerized testing equipment and disconnecting it. You paid for his time
> used to figure out what was wrong with your car. You also paid for his
> time in removing the old part and replacing the new part. If you check
> your bill very carefully--you will see that most of the charges on the
> bill were related to labor. If I am wrong about some of these
> statements--I apologize. I suppose that it is possible that the part
> actually did cost $193 but I doubt it.
The part alone is $193 at the Honda dealer's parts counter.