My Si has a DX motor!
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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>E Meyer wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>
>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>> not
>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>
>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>
>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>
>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>> day.
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>> it
>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>> bought
>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>> $704.
>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>
> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
> care /what/ edmunds say.
I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
the offer will be about $50.
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
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>E Meyer wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>
>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>> not
>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>
>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>
>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>
>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>> day.
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>> it
>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>> bought
>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>> $704.
>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>
> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
> care /what/ edmunds say.
I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
the offer will be about $50.
#153
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:RvudnSzq1OSWAibYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>E Meyer wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>
>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>> not
>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>
>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>
>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>
>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>> day.
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>> it
>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>> bought
>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>> $704.
>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>
> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
> care /what/ edmunds say.
I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
the offer will be about $50.
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
E. Meyer wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:RvudnSzq1OSWAibYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> E Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>>
>>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>>> day.
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>>> it
>>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>>> bought
>>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>>> $704.
>>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>>
>> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
>> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
>> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
>> care /what/ edmunds say.
>
> I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
> the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
> that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
> if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
> the offer will be about $50.
>
>
yeah, and all the service techs take them home to sell on the private
market for a good deal more. except the crx's - they keep those. the
dealer near where i live always has a bunch of crx's out the back where
the staff park.
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:RvudnSzq1OSWAibYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> E Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>>
>>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>>> day.
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>>> it
>>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>>> bought
>>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>>> $704.
>>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>>
>> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
>> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
>> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
>> care /what/ edmunds say.
>
> I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
> the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
> that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
> if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
> the offer will be about $50.
>
>
yeah, and all the service techs take them home to sell on the private
market for a good deal more. except the crx's - they keep those. the
dealer near where i live always has a bunch of crx's out the back where
the staff park.
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
E. Meyer wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:RvudnSzq1OSWAibYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> E Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>>
>>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>>> day.
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>>> it
>>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>>> bought
>>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>>> $704.
>>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>>
>> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
>> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
>> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
>> care /what/ edmunds say.
>
> I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
> the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
> that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
> if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
> the offer will be about $50.
>
>
yeah, and all the service techs take them home to sell on the private
market for a good deal more. except the crx's - they keep those. the
dealer near where i live always has a bunch of crx's out the back where
the staff park.
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:RvudnSzq1OSWAibYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> E Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>>
>>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>>> day.
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>>> it
>>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>>> bought
>>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>>> $704.
>>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>>
>> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
>> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
>> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
>> care /what/ edmunds say.
>
> I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
> the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
> that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
> if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
> the offer will be about $50.
>
>
yeah, and all the service techs take them home to sell on the private
market for a good deal more. except the crx's - they keep those. the
dealer near where i live always has a bunch of crx's out the back where
the staff park.
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
E. Meyer wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:RvudnSzq1OSWAibYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> E Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>>
>>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>>> day.
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>>> it
>>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>>> bought
>>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>>> $704.
>>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>>
>> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
>> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
>> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
>> care /what/ edmunds say.
>
> I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
> the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
> that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
> if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
> the offer will be about $50.
>
>
yeah, and all the service techs take them home to sell on the private
market for a good deal more. except the crx's - they keep those. the
dealer near where i live always has a bunch of crx's out the back where
the staff park.
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:RvudnSzq1OSWAibYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> E Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>>
>>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>>> day.
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>>> it
>>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>>> bought
>>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>>> $704.
>>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>>
>> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
>> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
>> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
>> care /what/ edmunds say.
>
> I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
> the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
> that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
> if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
> the offer will be about $50.
>
>
yeah, and all the service techs take them home to sell on the private
market for a good deal more. except the crx's - they keep those. the
dealer near where i live always has a bunch of crx's out the back where
the staff park.
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
E. Meyer wrote:
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:RvudnSzq1OSWAibYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> E Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>>
>>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>>> day.
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>>> it
>>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>>> bought
>>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>>> $704.
>>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>>
>> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
>> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
>> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
>> care /what/ edmunds say.
>
> I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
> the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
> that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
> if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
> the offer will be about $50.
>
>
yeah, and all the service techs take them home to sell on the private
market for a good deal more. except the crx's - they keep those. the
dealer near where i live always has a bunch of crx's out the back where
the staff park.
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:RvudnSzq1OSWAibYnZ2dnUVZ_oOonZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> E Meyer wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07 9:28 PM, in article MPG.2023314d9ff46f5098a15f@207.14.116.130,
>>> "Dave Garrett" <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <elmop-2AA927.20041925012007@nntp2.usenetserver.com>,
>>>> elmop@nastydesigns.com says...
>>>>> In article <MPG.2022bac2940e63d898a15a@207.14.116.130>,
>>>>> Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> And yeah, to say that I'm a bit chapped is probably an understatement.
>>>>>> This should've been disclosed by the dealer.
>>>>> Um, no, you should have opened the hood and looked and known exactly
>>>>> what you were buying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The used car dealer's job is merely to present the car to you. It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> his job to be your friend, hold your hand, and look out for your best
>>>>> interests. You're on your own.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not meant to be mean; it's simply reality. It's time you owned
>>>>> up to the fact that you live in reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you do a carfax? What did it say?
>>>> As I said in my first post, it's entirely possible the dealer had no
>>>> idea about this - as jimbeam said, it's difficult to tell the difference
>>>> between the two engines externally. I'll admit there's no way of knowing
>>>> now, and so some of my previous comments were probably ill-advised; I
>>>> shouldn't be accusing the dealer of bad faith without proof.
>>>>
>>>> What I have a problem with is *if* the dealer knew, and knowingly
>>>> misrepresented the car as an Si when it did not have an Si engine. I'm
>>>> well aware that in "reality", used car dealers screw customers every
>>>> day.
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>> So, to make sure I understand this: You have owned this car for ** 15 **
>>> years and just now you find out it doesn't have the engine you thought it
>>> had and you are all bent out of shape about it? I assume you test drove
>>> it
>>> **15** years ago and were satisfied with the power it had before you
>>> bought
>>> it? Edmunds.com lists the current trade-in value of a 1990 CRX Si at
>>> $704.
>>> Changing the engine would cost more than the car is worth and result in a
>>> car that is still 17 years old and isn't worth any more than $704.
>>>
>> buddy, come to the san francisco bay area, list a stock crx si for sale at
>> $704 and tell me how many calls you get on it. your phone will ring off
>> the hook for months afterwards. $704? that's a complete joke - i don't
>> care /what/ edmunds say.
>
> I can't speak for San Francisco, but around here (Dallas area) I have found
> the Edmunds numbers to be a maximum you can only aspire to. You did notice
> that it is the trade-in value, not suggested retail? My experience has been
> if you drive into a dealer with a 17 year old car of any type or pedigree,
> the offer will be about $50.
>
>
yeah, and all the service techs take them home to sell on the private
market for a good deal more. except the crx's - they keep those. the
dealer near where i live always has a bunch of crx's out the back where
the staff park.
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
>
> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
> exactly is in it???
>
> JT
>
>
And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
>
> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
> exactly is in it???
>
> JT
>
>
And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
>
> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
> exactly is in it???
>
> JT
>
>
And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
>
> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
> exactly is in it???
>
> JT
>
>
And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
>
> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
> exactly is in it???
>
> JT
>
>
And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
>
> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
> exactly is in it???
>
> JT
>
>
And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
>
> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
> exactly is in it???
>
> JT
>
>
And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
>
> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
> exactly is in it???
>
> JT
>
>
And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>
>> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
>> exactly is in it???
>>
>> JT
>>
>>
>
> And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
>
>
If it were me... I wouldn't even admit it!
<G>
JT
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>
>> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
>> exactly is in it???
>>
>> JT
>>
>>
>
> And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
>
>
If it were me... I wouldn't even admit it!
<G>
JT
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>
>> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
>> exactly is in it???
>>
>> JT
>>
>>
>
> And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
>
>
If it were me... I wouldn't even admit it!
<G>
JT
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Re: My Si has a DX motor!
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:LMPuh.474974$Fi1.65926@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>
>> OTOH, how can someone have a car for that long and not be aware of what
>> exactly is in it???
>>
>> JT
>>
>>
>
> And does it matter now, if it wasn't a problem all those years?
>
>
If it were me... I wouldn't even admit it!
<G>
JT