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Keith J 01-09-2004 09:14 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 
Was the non-starting as turning over but not starting?
Also, have the battery & alternator checked. I have a '99 V6 Accord and
displayed the problems you state. One new battery later, it starts quicker
than I can ever remember.

Did it seem like a lack of gas?
If like a like of gas...when really cold, turn the key to "ON" for a few
seconds then try to start it. It should start easier.

Keith





"Bryan Canter" <bcnewsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:614be1fb.0401090546.37665e59@posting.google.c om...
> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com> wrote in message

news:<3FFDE172.2A5FE2EA@neo.rr.com>...
> > How many miles on the car and the tune-up?

>
> About 39,000 in 3.5 years. 37,500 service is scheduled for this
> Wednesday (14th). I am going to bring it up with them but just
> thought to ask here first, since this group is pretty informed.
>
> Last oil change was about 34,000 miles between the 30,000 and 37,500
> service. All the services/oil changes so far have been done by Honda
> dealerships on time.




Keith J 01-09-2004 09:14 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 
Was the non-starting as turning over but not starting?
Also, have the battery & alternator checked. I have a '99 V6 Accord and
displayed the problems you state. One new battery later, it starts quicker
than I can ever remember.

Did it seem like a lack of gas?
If like a like of gas...when really cold, turn the key to "ON" for a few
seconds then try to start it. It should start easier.

Keith





"Bryan Canter" <bcnewsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:614be1fb.0401090546.37665e59@posting.google.c om...
> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com> wrote in message

news:<3FFDE172.2A5FE2EA@neo.rr.com>...
> > How many miles on the car and the tune-up?

>
> About 39,000 in 3.5 years. 37,500 service is scheduled for this
> Wednesday (14th). I am going to bring it up with them but just
> thought to ask here first, since this group is pretty informed.
>
> Last oil change was about 34,000 miles between the 30,000 and 37,500
> service. All the services/oil changes so far have been done by Honda
> dealerships on time.




Keith J 01-09-2004 09:14 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 
Was the non-starting as turning over but not starting?
Also, have the battery & alternator checked. I have a '99 V6 Accord and
displayed the problems you state. One new battery later, it starts quicker
than I can ever remember.

Did it seem like a lack of gas?
If like a like of gas...when really cold, turn the key to "ON" for a few
seconds then try to start it. It should start easier.

Keith





"Bryan Canter" <bcnewsgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:614be1fb.0401090546.37665e59@posting.google.c om...
> "N.E.Ohio Bob" <rgstroud@neo.rr.com> wrote in message

news:<3FFDE172.2A5FE2EA@neo.rr.com>...
> > How many miles on the car and the tune-up?

>
> About 39,000 in 3.5 years. 37,500 service is scheduled for this
> Wednesday (14th). I am going to bring it up with them but just
> thought to ask here first, since this group is pretty informed.
>
> Last oil change was about 34,000 miles between the 30,000 and 37,500
> service. All the services/oil changes so far have been done by Honda
> dealerships on time.




xxxxxxxx 01-10-2004 08:35 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 

"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message
news:Xns946B83E6B3ACFMyMessagesRock@151.164.30.48. ..
> bcnewsgroups@yahoo.com (Bryan Canter) wrote in
> news:614be1fb.0401090553.177834b8@posting.google.c om:
> my `92 accord takes about 3-5 seconds to start up here in southern Ontario

in this cold weather we`re having now ? 5*F below zero)
235,000klms(145,700 miles)5w30 Mobil 1 oil

Last "tuneup" March `03.

Second battery... .I place a 150- watt light bulb in close proximity to the
battery to just give it a little edge in these cold mornings ? A fully
charged brand-new battery will lose HALF its power at 0*F.

So if your battery has some age on it it may lose a little more? therefore
accounting for the slower start-up time .
> Dont forget even with synthetic oil it does have a tendency to thicken a

little, but not as much as dino oil will, given the same viscosity..
> > ed/ontario
> > Well, during summer it starts the moment I turn the key. But I agree
> > that I should not worry as long as it starts. However, I am worrying
> > about the odd chance that it does not start and if there is any thing
> > I can do to avoid that situation. I try to remember to press the gas
> > pedal to floor before attempting to start every morning. And I try to
> > keep the fuel tank more than half full to keep the fuel line from
> > freezing. Are there any other things I should keep in mind?
> >
> > Hopefully the temps will improve in the next few days and it will not
> > get any worse.

>
> Each car has its own starting pattern. My Accord needs the starter engaged
> for approx. .5 seconds to start, so as soon as I turn the key I let go of
> it. My Nissan needs a good 2 seconds or so to start.
>
> As your car ages you may experience slightly longer start times, I doubt
> there's anything to be done about it. You are not supposed to floor the
> throttle normally. RTFM (read the fine manual) !




xxxxxxxx 01-10-2004 08:35 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 

"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message
news:Xns946B83E6B3ACFMyMessagesRock@151.164.30.48. ..
> bcnewsgroups@yahoo.com (Bryan Canter) wrote in
> news:614be1fb.0401090553.177834b8@posting.google.c om:
> my `92 accord takes about 3-5 seconds to start up here in southern Ontario

in this cold weather we`re having now ? 5*F below zero)
235,000klms(145,700 miles)5w30 Mobil 1 oil

Last "tuneup" March `03.

Second battery... .I place a 150- watt light bulb in close proximity to the
battery to just give it a little edge in these cold mornings ? A fully
charged brand-new battery will lose HALF its power at 0*F.

So if your battery has some age on it it may lose a little more? therefore
accounting for the slower start-up time .
> Dont forget even with synthetic oil it does have a tendency to thicken a

little, but not as much as dino oil will, given the same viscosity..
> > ed/ontario
> > Well, during summer it starts the moment I turn the key. But I agree
> > that I should not worry as long as it starts. However, I am worrying
> > about the odd chance that it does not start and if there is any thing
> > I can do to avoid that situation. I try to remember to press the gas
> > pedal to floor before attempting to start every morning. And I try to
> > keep the fuel tank more than half full to keep the fuel line from
> > freezing. Are there any other things I should keep in mind?
> >
> > Hopefully the temps will improve in the next few days and it will not
> > get any worse.

>
> Each car has its own starting pattern. My Accord needs the starter engaged
> for approx. .5 seconds to start, so as soon as I turn the key I let go of
> it. My Nissan needs a good 2 seconds or so to start.
>
> As your car ages you may experience slightly longer start times, I doubt
> there's anything to be done about it. You are not supposed to floor the
> throttle normally. RTFM (read the fine manual) !




xxxxxxxx 01-10-2004 08:35 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 

"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message
news:Xns946B83E6B3ACFMyMessagesRock@151.164.30.48. ..
> bcnewsgroups@yahoo.com (Bryan Canter) wrote in
> news:614be1fb.0401090553.177834b8@posting.google.c om:
> my `92 accord takes about 3-5 seconds to start up here in southern Ontario

in this cold weather we`re having now ? 5*F below zero)
235,000klms(145,700 miles)5w30 Mobil 1 oil

Last "tuneup" March `03.

Second battery... .I place a 150- watt light bulb in close proximity to the
battery to just give it a little edge in these cold mornings ? A fully
charged brand-new battery will lose HALF its power at 0*F.

So if your battery has some age on it it may lose a little more? therefore
accounting for the slower start-up time .
> Dont forget even with synthetic oil it does have a tendency to thicken a

little, but not as much as dino oil will, given the same viscosity..
> > ed/ontario
> > Well, during summer it starts the moment I turn the key. But I agree
> > that I should not worry as long as it starts. However, I am worrying
> > about the odd chance that it does not start and if there is any thing
> > I can do to avoid that situation. I try to remember to press the gas
> > pedal to floor before attempting to start every morning. And I try to
> > keep the fuel tank more than half full to keep the fuel line from
> > freezing. Are there any other things I should keep in mind?
> >
> > Hopefully the temps will improve in the next few days and it will not
> > get any worse.

>
> Each car has its own starting pattern. My Accord needs the starter engaged
> for approx. .5 seconds to start, so as soon as I turn the key I let go of
> it. My Nissan needs a good 2 seconds or so to start.
>
> As your car ages you may experience slightly longer start times, I doubt
> there's anything to be done about it. You are not supposed to floor the
> throttle normally. RTFM (read the fine manual) !




xxxxxxxx 01-10-2004 08:35 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 

"Ed" <do.not@spam.me> wrote in message
news:Xns946B83E6B3ACFMyMessagesRock@151.164.30.48. ..
> bcnewsgroups@yahoo.com (Bryan Canter) wrote in
> news:614be1fb.0401090553.177834b8@posting.google.c om:
> my `92 accord takes about 3-5 seconds to start up here in southern Ontario

in this cold weather we`re having now ? 5*F below zero)
235,000klms(145,700 miles)5w30 Mobil 1 oil

Last "tuneup" March `03.

Second battery... .I place a 150- watt light bulb in close proximity to the
battery to just give it a little edge in these cold mornings ? A fully
charged brand-new battery will lose HALF its power at 0*F.

So if your battery has some age on it it may lose a little more? therefore
accounting for the slower start-up time .
> Dont forget even with synthetic oil it does have a tendency to thicken a

little, but not as much as dino oil will, given the same viscosity..
> > ed/ontario
> > Well, during summer it starts the moment I turn the key. But I agree
> > that I should not worry as long as it starts. However, I am worrying
> > about the odd chance that it does not start and if there is any thing
> > I can do to avoid that situation. I try to remember to press the gas
> > pedal to floor before attempting to start every morning. And I try to
> > keep the fuel tank more than half full to keep the fuel line from
> > freezing. Are there any other things I should keep in mind?
> >
> > Hopefully the temps will improve in the next few days and it will not
> > get any worse.

>
> Each car has its own starting pattern. My Accord needs the starter engaged
> for approx. .5 seconds to start, so as soon as I turn the key I let go of
> it. My Nissan needs a good 2 seconds or so to start.
>
> As your car ages you may experience slightly longer start times, I doubt
> there's anything to be done about it. You are not supposed to floor the
> throttle normally. RTFM (read the fine manual) !




Bryan Canter 01-12-2004 09:23 AM

Re: Starting in winter
 
"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
> Bryan,
>
> Inless your manual is completely different from the CRV and Odyssey
> manuals, it doesn't say to 'press the pedal to the floor'!
>
> It says: For Cold weather / high altitude starting: Turn off all
> electrical accessories (to reduce battery drain) HOLD the gas pedal
> half-way to the floor, turn the key to START position for up to 15
> seconds (no longer).
>
> When the engine is not running, pushing the pedal to the floor and back
> does NOTHING (except maybe free up a stuck throttle plate, but that's a
> different thread). Your car is fuel injected. There's no mechanical
> choke that needs to be 'loaded', and no accelerator pump to piss fuel
> into the venturi.
>
> We should really start calling it the air pedal, not gas pedal. Your
> manual is telling you to hold the pedal half way to the floor because
> the engine needs a little extra help getting air when it can't crank at
> full speed, and because that position sets the computer to the optimum
> fuel and ignition timing for cold starts.
>
> I don't think it's really suggested in the manual, but in winter I
> always perform the 'lamp check' to give the puel pump time to charge up
> the system, before I start to crank it.
>
> I hope this will clear up some confusion for some who don't understand
> cold weather starting. I had some preconcieved notions about Fuel
> Injection before I read my manual(s).
>
> 'Curly' On the chilly Canadian Prairies.


Thank you 'Curly' for the informative post (well, it wouldn't be *as*
informative if we all read the manual every once in a while -- I
remember skimming through it when I bought the car but that was in
Florida so, yes, I should give it a more thorough read again)

I will revise my starting procedure to (1) switch the key to 'On' (not
'Accesories' because that will start draining the batteries, right? Or
should I turn off the radio and turn it to 'Accesories?') and (2)
press the gas pedal about half way and hold it there for a couple of
seconds and finally (3) turn the key to Start position and hold it
until start or about 10 seconds.

Today was comparatively mild and it started within a second but cold
weather is on the way again, so this will come in very handy. Also, I
am taking her for service on Wednesday so I will ask them for advice
and post it here.

Drive safely all.

Bryan Canter 01-12-2004 09:23 AM

Re: Starting in winter
 
"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
> Bryan,
>
> Inless your manual is completely different from the CRV and Odyssey
> manuals, it doesn't say to 'press the pedal to the floor'!
>
> It says: For Cold weather / high altitude starting: Turn off all
> electrical accessories (to reduce battery drain) HOLD the gas pedal
> half-way to the floor, turn the key to START position for up to 15
> seconds (no longer).
>
> When the engine is not running, pushing the pedal to the floor and back
> does NOTHING (except maybe free up a stuck throttle plate, but that's a
> different thread). Your car is fuel injected. There's no mechanical
> choke that needs to be 'loaded', and no accelerator pump to piss fuel
> into the venturi.
>
> We should really start calling it the air pedal, not gas pedal. Your
> manual is telling you to hold the pedal half way to the floor because
> the engine needs a little extra help getting air when it can't crank at
> full speed, and because that position sets the computer to the optimum
> fuel and ignition timing for cold starts.
>
> I don't think it's really suggested in the manual, but in winter I
> always perform the 'lamp check' to give the puel pump time to charge up
> the system, before I start to crank it.
>
> I hope this will clear up some confusion for some who don't understand
> cold weather starting. I had some preconcieved notions about Fuel
> Injection before I read my manual(s).
>
> 'Curly' On the chilly Canadian Prairies.


Thank you 'Curly' for the informative post (well, it wouldn't be *as*
informative if we all read the manual every once in a while -- I
remember skimming through it when I bought the car but that was in
Florida so, yes, I should give it a more thorough read again)

I will revise my starting procedure to (1) switch the key to 'On' (not
'Accesories' because that will start draining the batteries, right? Or
should I turn off the radio and turn it to 'Accesories?') and (2)
press the gas pedal about half way and hold it there for a couple of
seconds and finally (3) turn the key to Start position and hold it
until start or about 10 seconds.

Today was comparatively mild and it started within a second but cold
weather is on the way again, so this will come in very handy. Also, I
am taking her for service on Wednesday so I will ask them for advice
and post it here.

Drive safely all.

Bryan Canter 01-12-2004 09:23 AM

Re: Starting in winter
 
"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
> Bryan,
>
> Inless your manual is completely different from the CRV and Odyssey
> manuals, it doesn't say to 'press the pedal to the floor'!
>
> It says: For Cold weather / high altitude starting: Turn off all
> electrical accessories (to reduce battery drain) HOLD the gas pedal
> half-way to the floor, turn the key to START position for up to 15
> seconds (no longer).
>
> When the engine is not running, pushing the pedal to the floor and back
> does NOTHING (except maybe free up a stuck throttle plate, but that's a
> different thread). Your car is fuel injected. There's no mechanical
> choke that needs to be 'loaded', and no accelerator pump to piss fuel
> into the venturi.
>
> We should really start calling it the air pedal, not gas pedal. Your
> manual is telling you to hold the pedal half way to the floor because
> the engine needs a little extra help getting air when it can't crank at
> full speed, and because that position sets the computer to the optimum
> fuel and ignition timing for cold starts.
>
> I don't think it's really suggested in the manual, but in winter I
> always perform the 'lamp check' to give the puel pump time to charge up
> the system, before I start to crank it.
>
> I hope this will clear up some confusion for some who don't understand
> cold weather starting. I had some preconcieved notions about Fuel
> Injection before I read my manual(s).
>
> 'Curly' On the chilly Canadian Prairies.


Thank you 'Curly' for the informative post (well, it wouldn't be *as*
informative if we all read the manual every once in a while -- I
remember skimming through it when I bought the car but that was in
Florida so, yes, I should give it a more thorough read again)

I will revise my starting procedure to (1) switch the key to 'On' (not
'Accesories' because that will start draining the batteries, right? Or
should I turn off the radio and turn it to 'Accesories?') and (2)
press the gas pedal about half way and hold it there for a couple of
seconds and finally (3) turn the key to Start position and hold it
until start or about 10 seconds.

Today was comparatively mild and it started within a second but cold
weather is on the way again, so this will come in very handy. Also, I
am taking her for service on Wednesday so I will ask them for advice
and post it here.

Drive safely all.

Bryan Canter 01-12-2004 09:23 AM

Re: Starting in winter
 
"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco__@interbaun.com> wrote in message
> Bryan,
>
> Inless your manual is completely different from the CRV and Odyssey
> manuals, it doesn't say to 'press the pedal to the floor'!
>
> It says: For Cold weather / high altitude starting: Turn off all
> electrical accessories (to reduce battery drain) HOLD the gas pedal
> half-way to the floor, turn the key to START position for up to 15
> seconds (no longer).
>
> When the engine is not running, pushing the pedal to the floor and back
> does NOTHING (except maybe free up a stuck throttle plate, but that's a
> different thread). Your car is fuel injected. There's no mechanical
> choke that needs to be 'loaded', and no accelerator pump to piss fuel
> into the venturi.
>
> We should really start calling it the air pedal, not gas pedal. Your
> manual is telling you to hold the pedal half way to the floor because
> the engine needs a little extra help getting air when it can't crank at
> full speed, and because that position sets the computer to the optimum
> fuel and ignition timing for cold starts.
>
> I don't think it's really suggested in the manual, but in winter I
> always perform the 'lamp check' to give the puel pump time to charge up
> the system, before I start to crank it.
>
> I hope this will clear up some confusion for some who don't understand
> cold weather starting. I had some preconcieved notions about Fuel
> Injection before I read my manual(s).
>
> 'Curly' On the chilly Canadian Prairies.


Thank you 'Curly' for the informative post (well, it wouldn't be *as*
informative if we all read the manual every once in a while -- I
remember skimming through it when I bought the car but that was in
Florida so, yes, I should give it a more thorough read again)

I will revise my starting procedure to (1) switch the key to 'On' (not
'Accesories' because that will start draining the batteries, right? Or
should I turn off the radio and turn it to 'Accesories?') and (2)
press the gas pedal about half way and hold it there for a couple of
seconds and finally (3) turn the key to Start position and hold it
until start or about 10 seconds.

Today was comparatively mild and it started within a second but cold
weather is on the way again, so this will come in very handy. Also, I
am taking her for service on Wednesday so I will ask them for advice
and post it here.

Drive safely all.

'Curly Q. Links' 01-12-2004 12:26 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 
Bryan Canter wrote:

> Thank you 'Curly' for the informative post (well, it wouldn't be *as*
> informative if we all read the manual every once in a while -- I
> remember skimming through it when I bought the car but that was in
> Florida so, yes, I should give it a more thorough read again)
>
> I will revise my starting procedure to (1) switch the key to 'On' (not
> 'Accesories' because that will start draining the batteries, right? Or
> should I turn off the radio and turn it to 'Accesories?') and (2)
> press the gas pedal about half way and hold it there for a couple of
> seconds and finally (3) turn the key to Start position and hold it
> until start or about 10 seconds.
>
> Today was comparatively mild and it started within a second but cold
> weather is on the way again, so this will come in very handy. Also, I
> am taking her for service on Wednesday so I will ask them for advice
> and post it here.
>
> Drive safely all.


======================

Bryan,

I'll clarify a couple of things you said, since this is a very timely
topic for many owners in Eastern Canada and the New England states...
The 'accessories' part is talking about conservation of your poor
battery's precious resources. In very cold weather your battery's
ability to crank is greatly diminished, so the point they're making:
Don't sit there with the headlights on, listing to the weather report,
with heater fan blowing, and then expect your engine to start
effortlessly.

About the gas pedal. the 'FINE' (love that) manual states that you hold
the pedal half-way to the floor _while_ cranking in extremely cold
weather, because 1_ The engine needs air. 2_ That position of the
throttle sets the computer for the best combination of ignition timing
and fuel mix.

About the key: The manual also states that you should check your 'idiot
lights' once in a while, and it gives the added bonus of waiting an
extra two seconds for the fuel pump to 'charge' the injection system
BEFORE you start cranking the engine. For the owners of the Hondas that
have MAIN RELAY PROBLEMS, it gives them the opportunity to listen to the
fuel pump run (or not run), before trying to start.

'Curly'
--

=======================

'Curly Q. Links' 01-12-2004 12:26 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 
Bryan Canter wrote:

> Thank you 'Curly' for the informative post (well, it wouldn't be *as*
> informative if we all read the manual every once in a while -- I
> remember skimming through it when I bought the car but that was in
> Florida so, yes, I should give it a more thorough read again)
>
> I will revise my starting procedure to (1) switch the key to 'On' (not
> 'Accesories' because that will start draining the batteries, right? Or
> should I turn off the radio and turn it to 'Accesories?') and (2)
> press the gas pedal about half way and hold it there for a couple of
> seconds and finally (3) turn the key to Start position and hold it
> until start or about 10 seconds.
>
> Today was comparatively mild and it started within a second but cold
> weather is on the way again, so this will come in very handy. Also, I
> am taking her for service on Wednesday so I will ask them for advice
> and post it here.
>
> Drive safely all.


======================

Bryan,

I'll clarify a couple of things you said, since this is a very timely
topic for many owners in Eastern Canada and the New England states...
The 'accessories' part is talking about conservation of your poor
battery's precious resources. In very cold weather your battery's
ability to crank is greatly diminished, so the point they're making:
Don't sit there with the headlights on, listing to the weather report,
with heater fan blowing, and then expect your engine to start
effortlessly.

About the gas pedal. the 'FINE' (love that) manual states that you hold
the pedal half-way to the floor _while_ cranking in extremely cold
weather, because 1_ The engine needs air. 2_ That position of the
throttle sets the computer for the best combination of ignition timing
and fuel mix.

About the key: The manual also states that you should check your 'idiot
lights' once in a while, and it gives the added bonus of waiting an
extra two seconds for the fuel pump to 'charge' the injection system
BEFORE you start cranking the engine. For the owners of the Hondas that
have MAIN RELAY PROBLEMS, it gives them the opportunity to listen to the
fuel pump run (or not run), before trying to start.

'Curly'
--

=======================

'Curly Q. Links' 01-12-2004 12:26 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 
Bryan Canter wrote:

> Thank you 'Curly' for the informative post (well, it wouldn't be *as*
> informative if we all read the manual every once in a while -- I
> remember skimming through it when I bought the car but that was in
> Florida so, yes, I should give it a more thorough read again)
>
> I will revise my starting procedure to (1) switch the key to 'On' (not
> 'Accesories' because that will start draining the batteries, right? Or
> should I turn off the radio and turn it to 'Accesories?') and (2)
> press the gas pedal about half way and hold it there for a couple of
> seconds and finally (3) turn the key to Start position and hold it
> until start or about 10 seconds.
>
> Today was comparatively mild and it started within a second but cold
> weather is on the way again, so this will come in very handy. Also, I
> am taking her for service on Wednesday so I will ask them for advice
> and post it here.
>
> Drive safely all.


======================

Bryan,

I'll clarify a couple of things you said, since this is a very timely
topic for many owners in Eastern Canada and the New England states...
The 'accessories' part is talking about conservation of your poor
battery's precious resources. In very cold weather your battery's
ability to crank is greatly diminished, so the point they're making:
Don't sit there with the headlights on, listing to the weather report,
with heater fan blowing, and then expect your engine to start
effortlessly.

About the gas pedal. the 'FINE' (love that) manual states that you hold
the pedal half-way to the floor _while_ cranking in extremely cold
weather, because 1_ The engine needs air. 2_ That position of the
throttle sets the computer for the best combination of ignition timing
and fuel mix.

About the key: The manual also states that you should check your 'idiot
lights' once in a while, and it gives the added bonus of waiting an
extra two seconds for the fuel pump to 'charge' the injection system
BEFORE you start cranking the engine. For the owners of the Hondas that
have MAIN RELAY PROBLEMS, it gives them the opportunity to listen to the
fuel pump run (or not run), before trying to start.

'Curly'
--

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'Curly Q. Links' 01-12-2004 12:26 PM

Re: Starting in winter
 
Bryan Canter wrote:

> Thank you 'Curly' for the informative post (well, it wouldn't be *as*
> informative if we all read the manual every once in a while -- I
> remember skimming through it when I bought the car but that was in
> Florida so, yes, I should give it a more thorough read again)
>
> I will revise my starting procedure to (1) switch the key to 'On' (not
> 'Accesories' because that will start draining the batteries, right? Or
> should I turn off the radio and turn it to 'Accesories?') and (2)
> press the gas pedal about half way and hold it there for a couple of
> seconds and finally (3) turn the key to Start position and hold it
> until start or about 10 seconds.
>
> Today was comparatively mild and it started within a second but cold
> weather is on the way again, so this will come in very handy. Also, I
> am taking her for service on Wednesday so I will ask them for advice
> and post it here.
>
> Drive safely all.


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Bryan,

I'll clarify a couple of things you said, since this is a very timely
topic for many owners in Eastern Canada and the New England states...
The 'accessories' part is talking about conservation of your poor
battery's precious resources. In very cold weather your battery's
ability to crank is greatly diminished, so the point they're making:
Don't sit there with the headlights on, listing to the weather report,
with heater fan blowing, and then expect your engine to start
effortlessly.

About the gas pedal. the 'FINE' (love that) manual states that you hold
the pedal half-way to the floor _while_ cranking in extremely cold
weather, because 1_ The engine needs air. 2_ That position of the
throttle sets the computer for the best combination of ignition timing
and fuel mix.

About the key: The manual also states that you should check your 'idiot
lights' once in a while, and it gives the added bonus of waiting an
extra two seconds for the fuel pump to 'charge' the injection system
BEFORE you start cranking the engine. For the owners of the Hondas that
have MAIN RELAY PROBLEMS, it gives them the opportunity to listen to the
fuel pump run (or not run), before trying to start.

'Curly'
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