Mike Marlow

Mostly to HT, but open to anyone who's got insight...

My wife's 04 Sonata has recently begun groaning with any (even the
slightest) turn of the steering wheel. Seems to clearly be coming from the
rack. PS fluid level is up to where it should be, but that's really all
I've had to look at. The word groaning might not properly describe the
sound. It really sounds like really, really dry bearings rubbing when you
turn the wheel at all. It does clearly seem to emanate from the rack
though.

Hoping to get the time to look at it further tomorrow night, but open to
any experiences that may be out there.

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-Mike-
mmarlow@REMOVEwindstream.net

hyundaitech

On Mar 31, 11:10 pm, Mike Marlow <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mostly to HT, but open to anyone who's got insight...
>
> My wife's 04 Sonata has recently begun groaning with any (even the
> slightest) turn of the steering wheel. Seems to clearly be coming fromthe
> rack. PS fluid level is up to where it should be, but that's really all
> I've had to look at. The word groaning might not properly describe the
> sound. It really sounds like really, really dry bearings rubbing when you
> turn the wheel at all. It does clearly seem to emanate from the rack
> though.
>
> Hoping to get the time to look at it further tomorrow night, but open to
> any experiences that may be out there.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmar...@REMOVEwindstream.net

Not much to offer without hearing the noise. Could be a dry ball
joint or tie rod end.

Mike Marlow

"hyundaitech" <hyundaimech@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:79ba6e8a-34bd-4a17-b115-eadcf9a6a060@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 31, 11:10 pm, Mike Marlow <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Mostly to HT, but open to anyone who's got insight...
>
> My wife's 04 Sonata has recently begun groaning with any (even the
> slightest) turn of the steering wheel. Seems to clearly be coming from the
> rack. PS fluid level is up to where it should be, but that's really all
> I've had to look at. The word groaning might not properly describe the
> sound. It really sounds like really, really dry bearings rubbing when you
> turn the wheel at all. It does clearly seem to emanate from the rack
> though.
>
> Hoping to get the time to look at it further tomorrow night, but open to
> any experiences that may be out there.
>

Not much to offer without hearing the noise. Could be a dry ball
joint or tie rod end.

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Yeah - it's always hard to offer something without seeing/hearing the
problem at hand. My post was a quick shot in the dark, before heading out
of town for the day, for work. I hope to be able to look at the car
today/tonight - we'll see how things go during the day. Doubtful it's a
ball joint or tie rod end - it makes the noise as soon as you touch the
steering wheel to apply pressure in either direction. It persists as long
as you hold steering pressure on the wheel. First glance makes it appear to
be a rack, but that is very premature.


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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

hyundaitech

On Apr 2, 7:36 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote:
> "hyundaitech" <hyundaim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:79ba6e8a-34bd-4a17-b115-eadcf9a6a060@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 31, 11:10 pm, Mike Marlow <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> > Mostly to HT, but open to anyone who's got insight...
>
> > My wife's 04 Sonata has recently begun groaning with any (even the
> > slightest) turn of the steering wheel. Seems to clearly be coming from the
> > rack. PS fluid level is up to where it should be, but that's really all
> > I've had to look at. The word groaning might not properly describe the
> > sound. It really sounds like really, really dry bearings rubbing when you
> > turn the wheel at all. It does clearly seem to emanate from the rack
> > though.
>
> > Hoping to get the time to look at it further tomorrow night, but open to
> > any experiences that may be out there.
>
> Not much to offer without hearing the noise. Could be a dry ball
> joint or tie rod end.
>
> ************************************************** ************************************
>
> Yeah - it's always hard to offer something without seeing/hearing the
> problem at hand. My post was a quick shot in the dark, before heading out
> of town for the day, for work. I hope to be able to look at the car
> today/tonight - we'll see how things go during the day. Doubtful it's a
> ball joint or tie rod end - it makes the noise as soon as you touch the
> steering wheel to apply pressure in either direction. It persists as long
> as you hold steering pressure on the wheel. First glance makes it appear to
> be a rack, but that is very premature.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREM...@alltel.net

If it's pump noise, suck the fluid out of the reservoir and look at
the screen in the bottom. If the screen is filled with crud, fill the
reservoir.

Mike Marlow

"hyundaitech" <hyundaimech@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6a055ddd-69ec-4670-a600-59cefb660263@r37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 2, 7:36 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote:
> "hyundaitech" <hyundaim...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:79ba6e8a-34bd-4a17-b115-eadcf9a6a060@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 31, 11:10 pm, Mike Marlow <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> > Mostly to HT, but open to anyone who's got insight...
>
> > My wife's 04 Sonata has recently begun groaning with any (even the
> > slightest) turn of the steering wheel. Seems to clearly be coming from
> > the
> > rack. PS fluid level is up to where it should be, but that's really all
> > I've had to look at. The word groaning might not properly describe the
> > sound. It really sounds like really, really dry bearings rubbing when
> > you
> > turn the wheel at all. It does clearly seem to emanate from the rack
> > though.
>
> > Hoping to get the time to look at it further tomorrow night, but open to
> > any experiences that may be out there.
>
> Not much to offer without hearing the noise. Could be a dry ball
> joint or tie rod end.
>
> ************************************************** ************************************
>
> Yeah - it's always hard to offer something without seeing/hearing the
> problem at hand. My post was a quick shot in the dark, before heading out
> of town for the day, for work. I hope to be able to look at the car
> today/tonight - we'll see how things go during the day. Doubtful it's a
> ball joint or tie rod end - it makes the noise as soon as you touch the
> steering wheel to apply pressure in either direction. It persists as long
> as you hold steering pressure on the wheel. First glance makes it appear
> to
> be a rack, but that is very premature.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREM...@alltel.net

If it's pump noise, suck the fluid out of the reservoir and look at
the screen in the bottom. If the screen is filled with crud, fill the
reservoir.

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Thought I'd leave the entire thread intact for the archival value, since
there is some troubleshooting thought process contained with in it, and post
the final resolution.

I finally got the chance to take a look at the car on Saturday. The
grinding noise was immediate, with any steering wheel input, in either
direction. It was not however, constant as I had originally posted. It
only presented with steering wheel input. The noise did emanate throughout
the entire front end of the car though - was not localized to either side,
or to any single component.

Taking the easiest approach first, I shot some grease into the RF tie rod
boot via a grease needle. Instant success.

I thought there was a reasonable chance that greasing the end might fix
things, but at the same time I held a certain reserve. The noise was very
loud and much more forceful than I would have expected from a dry joint. It
did not start out with a little creak while a small amount of steering wheel
was applied, it went full groan. Really lead me to initially think it had
to be a rack problem.

I am holding a reserve thought though, and won't really pronounce this car
fixed for a few days. Jacking a car up like this tweaks the front end
geometry. It is possible that another element of the front end (which is
probably suffering a dry condition), got tweaked a bit while jacking the
car, and that is really what relieved the binding. If this is the case, the
noise may likely return. Clever me - I intentionally did not grease the
entire front end yet, because I want to see if the noise does return and try
to isolate it, if it does. I have to get under the car soon and service the
tranny and do an oil change anyway, so if there is no recurrence of the
noise, I guess we'll pronounce the situation healed and finish lubing up
things underneath. Boy - I sure wish there were still zerk fittings on
critical joints...


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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net