Voyager

Miles Monroe wrote:
> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
> news:8ZfYl.951$N_3.880@newsfe14.iad...
>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>> news:bCZXl.2242$Gn4.1970@newsfe10.iad...
>>>> Miles Monroe wrote:
>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it won't
>>>>> alter
>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I hate to burst your bubble, but the banking deregulation began under
>>>> Clinton in 1999. He has admitted that himself. No spin required.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/no...bank-n01.shtml
>>> Funny you'd provide that link which mentions the congressional
>>> Republicans' hand in banking deregulation.
>> I never said that the Republicans didn't play a role. I simply was point
>> out the error in your statement.
>
> I didn't make an error. Educate yourself. You are only entitled to an
> informed opinion, not regurgitating right-wing talking points.

Your statement that it was the fault of Bush and the Republicans is
completely false. Any thinking person knows that and the data supports
that the Democrats played a huge role staring back with the "New Deal."
Read some history. It is very interesting.


>> So now it is Reagan rather than Bush. When will you find a lie that you
>> like and will stick with?
>
> No, stupid, it was all three of them. (That's Reagan and both Bushes.) The
> Republican agenda of deregulation and greed is good, and you I got
> mine.

First, it was Bush, then it was Reagan, now it is both. Do you have a
4th lie to share?

Matt

631grant

You sure as hell substantiated my point if you don't know about the bill
that is now being vigorously debated in Congress!!! See what I mean about
the networks you watch? Ever watch the Senate or House proceedings? My
guess is NO. Once again, you Dems with your head in the sand won't find out
what is going on until it is too late and then you'll spend your time trying
to blame it on Bush even though it's being done right now by YOUR Congress.
Your type is the reason this country is going to hell!
I guess you also can't see the maneuvering that is and has been going on to
position the country to grant amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens. Once
again, when it's over, you'll say 'How did that happen?'.


"jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h0sf33$r41$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again? After
> reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped me.
>
> I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
> to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
> relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
> find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will get
> no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that goes
> across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get reelected
> and anything else is a bonus.
>
>
> If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
> don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
>
> It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the last
> election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
> majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
> unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
> President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
> certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
>
> I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say I
> appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
> would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
> say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
> yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
> and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
> appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
> offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to be
> your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
> heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
>
>
> 631grant wrote:
>> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing the
>> new Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on their
>> show. NBC is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You should
>> know that from your Ebonics classes.
>> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down
>> side of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great Nancy
>> Pelosi is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does
>> everything have to be rushed through Congress before it can even be read
>> and digested? This one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations told
>> you what it will do to the American economy and how much it will affect
>> the price of operating the farms, which of course translates to food
>> prices?
>>
>> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
>> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you
>> voted for. As for me, I voted for the American.
>> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
>> looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
>> probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
>> idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those,
>> than I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
>>
>>
>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
>>> was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
>>> the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
>>> enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I
>>> just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
>>> referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced
>>> I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I
>>> always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant
>>> MSNBC, didn't you?
>>>
>>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
>>> sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE
>>>> STORY. How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a
>>>> newsgroup and intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just
>>>> listen to one side of the story. AND what makes you think listening to
>>>> CNBC is 'fair and balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY
>>>> happening unless you can't get your head out of the sand or some other
>>>> dark place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides
>>>>>> your left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize
>>>>>> the truth.............
>>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and
>>>>> O'Really!?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@***.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it
>>>>>>> won't alter
>>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>

631grant

No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h0sf33$r41$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again? After
> reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped me.
>
> I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
> to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
> relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
> find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will get
> no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that goes
> across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get reelected
> and anything else is a bonus.
>
>
> If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
> don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
>
> It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the last
> election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
> majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
> unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
> President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
> certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
>
> I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say I
> appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
> would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
> say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
> yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
> and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
> appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
> offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to be
> your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
> heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
>
>
> 631grant wrote:
>> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing the
>> new Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on their
>> show. NBC is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You should
>> know that from your Ebonics classes.
>> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down
>> side of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great Nancy
>> Pelosi is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does
>> everything have to be rushed through Congress before it can even be read
>> and digested? This one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations told
>> you what it will do to the American economy and how much it will affect
>> the price of operating the farms, which of course translates to food
>> prices?
>>
>> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
>> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you
>> voted for. As for me, I voted for the American.
>> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
>> looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
>> probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
>> idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those,
>> than I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
>>
>>
>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
>>> was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
>>> the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
>>> enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I
>>> just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
>>> referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced
>>> I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I
>>> always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant
>>> MSNBC, didn't you?
>>>
>>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
>>> sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE
>>>> STORY. How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a
>>>> newsgroup and intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just
>>>> listen to one side of the story. AND what makes you think listening to
>>>> CNBC is 'fair and balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY
>>>> happening unless you can't get your head out of the sand or some other
>>>> dark place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides
>>>>>> your left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize
>>>>>> the truth.............
>>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and
>>>>> O'Really!?!?
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@***.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it
>>>>>>> won't alter
>>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>

631grant

I was wondering when you would jump in, Mike. I know about GM with their
claims of all their 30 mpg cars but 30 mpg really doesn't cut it in the land
of $4 a gallon gas, which is where we will end up again. The HHR is a great
little car and we have one in our family but it SHOULD be getting 40 mpg. I
just don't believe 30 is the magic number we'll be looking for. Personal
opinion.


"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
news:9b9ab$4a31c07d$452896c3$7685@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:RteYl.53574$qa.23773@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
>> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they did,
>> they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their executives
>> only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They had no clue
>> as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick Wagoneer
>> (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would give the
>> people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade, SUV's, and
>> pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas prices, this
>> idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can afford to buy
>> or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are calling 'us'
>> stupid.
>>
>
> You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the
> gutter with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility
> with your points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM
> vehicles that got over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that
> number compares to the competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas
> mileage is not among the list of bad moves. But then again - it does feel
> good to type "gas guzzlers", dosen't it?
>
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>

jp103

Grant, Grant, Grant,
There you go again.
I try to educate myself by asking WHAT THE HR (this stands for House
Resolution)# IS and you just want to rant. How can I educate myself by
reading and familiarizing myself if you won't even tell me what you are
talking about? So I will assume that this is a Rush Rant that piqued
your interest and aside from maybe retaining some of his "facts" you
don't really know jack about it. I have tried to address your points
but you seem to only want to hear yourself talk and not reply to any of
my questions. If this is incorrect then please tell me where you said:

1 Where did you say "the other side of the story"?
2 Do you have an HR #?
3 If I watch Fox news I will know who I voted for?

If you need some help with the answers -
1 As regards this thread I didn't.
2 Hmmm no
3 How the hell would Fox news know who you voted for?

Perhaps you could get your news from Colbert and Stewart because it
seems that you just aren't enjoying life right now.

I do appreciate some of your posts about Hyundais so keep up the good
work.



631grant wrote:
> You sure as hell substantiated my point if you don't know about the bill
> that is now being vigorously debated in Congress!!! See what I mean about
> the networks you watch? Ever watch the Senate or House proceedings? My
> guess is NO. Once again, you Dems with your head in the sand won't find out
> what is going on until it is too late and then you'll spend your time trying
> to blame it on Bush even though it's being done right now by YOUR Congress.
> Your type is the reason this country is going to hell!
> I guess you also can't see the maneuvering that is and has been going on to
> position the country to grant amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens. Once
> again, when it's over, you'll say 'How did that happen?'.
>
>
> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:h0sf33$r41$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again? After
>> reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped me.
>>
>> I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
>> to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
>> relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
>> find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will get
>> no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that goes
>> across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get reelected
>> and anything else is a bonus.
>>
>>
>> If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
>> don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
>>
>> It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the last
>> election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
>> majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
>> unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
>> President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
>> certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
>>
>> I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say I
>> appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
>> would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
>> say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
>> yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
>> and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
>> appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
>> offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to be
>> your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
>> heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
>>
>>
>> 631grant wrote:
>>> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing the
>>> new Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on their
>>> show. NBC is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You should
>>> know that from your Ebonics classes.
>>> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down
>>> side of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great Nancy
>>> Pelosi is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does
>>> everything have to be rushed through Congress before it can even be read
>>> and digested? This one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations told
>>> you what it will do to the American economy and how much it will affect
>>> the price of operating the farms, which of course translates to food
>>> prices?
>>>
>>> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
>>> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you
>>> voted for. As for me, I voted for the American.
>>> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
>>> looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
>>> probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
>>> idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those,
>>> than I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
>>>
>>>
>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>>>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did say
>>>> was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>>>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
>>>> the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
>>>> enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing" I
>>>> just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
>>>> referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and balanced
>>>> I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also claims that. I
>>>> always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait, I'll bet you meant
>>>> MSNBC, didn't you?
>>>>
>>>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>>>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
>>>> sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>>>> discussion.
>>>>
>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE
>>>>> STORY. How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a
>>>>> newsgroup and intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you just
>>>>> listen to one side of the story. AND what makes you think listening to
>>>>> CNBC is 'fair and balanced???' Tune in and learn what is REALLY
>>>>> happening unless you can't get your head out of the sand or some other
>>>>> dark place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides
>>>>>>> your left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize
>>>>>>> the truth.............
>>>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and
>>>>>> O'Really!?!?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox" <parallaxaz@***.net>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went out
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes
>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in years.
>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it
>>>>>>>> won't alter
>>>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>

631grant

As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50 mpg
is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a third
world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since Europe is
more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets 30+ mpg.
For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage is sick.


"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
newsKrYl.10096$Xl4.9125@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
>I was wondering when you would jump in, Mike. I know about GM with their
>claims of all their 30 mpg cars but 30 mpg really doesn't cut it in the
>land of $4 a gallon gas, which is where we will end up again. The HHR is a
>great little car and we have one in our family but it SHOULD be getting 40
>mpg. I just don't believe 30 is the magic number we'll be looking for.
>Personal opinion.
>
>
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
> news:9b9ab$4a31c07d$452896c3$7685@ALLTEL.NET...
>>
>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:RteYl.53574$qa.23773@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>>> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
>>> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they
>>> did, they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their
>>> executives only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They
>>> had no clue as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick
>>> Wagoneer (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would
>>> give the people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade,
>>> SUV's, and pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas
>>> prices, this idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can
>>> afford to buy or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are
>>> calling 'us' stupid.
>>>
>>
>> You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the
>> gutter with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility
>> with your points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM
>> vehicles that got over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that
>> number compares to the competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas
>> mileage is not among the list of bad moves. But then again - it does
>> feel good to type "gas guzzlers", dosen't it?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>>
>
>

631grant

Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed to
get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected. I
think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in fuel
mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.


"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
news:9b9ab$4a31c07d$452896c3$7685@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:RteYl.53574$qa.23773@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
>> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they did,
>> they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their executives
>> only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They had no clue
>> as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick Wagoneer
>> (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would give the
>> people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade, SUV's, and
>> pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas prices, this
>> idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can afford to buy
>> or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are calling 'us'
>> stupid.
>>
>
> You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the
> gutter with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility
> with your points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM
> vehicles that got over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that
> number compares to the competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas
> mileage is not among the list of bad moves. But then again - it does feel
> good to type "gas guzzlers", dosen't it?
>
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>

631grant

Well, I guess you have 'shot your wad' if you're down to citing typing
mistakes and making fun of my Parkinson's causing me to hit extra keys.
YOU IN THE HEART!!


"Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:%%iYl.22373$hc1.14625@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:doeYl.53571$qa.42217@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>> than opening your eyes and seeing where we hare headed. Stupid stupid
>> stupid.
>
> Where hare headed? Tortoise wants to know.
>

631grant

Jp, Jp, Jp

I'm not helping you anymore to avoid watching Fox to get the other side of
the story. When you find out what I'm talking about, you can cry on my
shoulder. I'm not making anything up. It's for you to find out.


"jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:h0tif1$9e1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Grant, Grant, Grant,
> There you go again.
> I try to educate myself by asking WHAT THE HR (this stands for House
> Resolution)# IS and you just want to rant. How can I educate myself by
> reading and familiarizing myself if you won't even tell me what you are
> talking about? So I will assume that this is a Rush Rant that piqued your
> interest and aside from maybe retaining some of his "facts" you don't
> really know jack about it. I have tried to address your points but you
> seem to only want to hear yourself talk and not reply to any of my
> questions. If this is incorrect then please tell me where you said:
>
> 1 Where did you say "the other side of the story"?
> 2 Do you have an HR #?
> 3 If I watch Fox news I will know who I voted for?
>
> If you need some help with the answers -
> 1 As regards this thread I didn't.
> 2 Hmmm no
> 3 How the hell would Fox news know who you voted for?
>
> Perhaps you could get your news from Colbert and Stewart because it seems
> that you just aren't enjoying life right now.
>
> I do appreciate some of your posts about Hyundais so keep up the good
> work.
>
>
>
> 631grant wrote:
>> You sure as hell substantiated my point if you don't know about the bill
>> that is now being vigorously debated in Congress!!! See what I mean
>> about the networks you watch? Ever watch the Senate or House
>> proceedings? My guess is NO. Once again, you Dems with your head in the
>> sand won't find out what is going on until it is too late and then you'll
>> spend your time trying to blame it on Bush even though it's being done
>> right now by YOUR Congress. Your type is the reason this country is
>> going to hell!
>> I guess you also can't see the maneuvering that is and has been going on
>> to position the country to grant amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens.
>> Once again, when it's over, you'll say 'How did that happen?'.
>>
>>
>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:h0sf33$r41$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Sorry 631 where was it you said "the other side of the story" again?
>>> After reading about all your other extraneous stuff the answer escaped
>>> me.
>>>
>>> I'm afraid I don't know about the Farm/Environmental Bill that you refer
>>> to. I googled farm bill and didn't come up with anything that seemed
>>> relevant and then I went to the govtrack/congress/search bill and didn't
>>> find anything there either. Do you have an HR #? You certainly will
>>> get no argument from me that Congress is not doing there job and that
>>> goes across party lines. The business of Congress seems to be to get
>>> reelected and anything else is a bonus.
>>>
>>>
>>> If I watch Fox News then I will know who I voted for? There's so much I
>>> don't understand. Perhaps I should watch them.
>>>
>>> It sounds like you think there was only one American running in the
>>> last election but I can assure you that with a Supreme Court, who has a
>>> majority of it's members appointed by a Republican, I think it's highly
>>> unlikely that a non-American could be nominated, no less be elected, as
>>> President of the U.S. (At least as a Democrat). I now that sometimes
>>> certain constitutional issues are kind of winked at but ....
>>>
>>> I kind of have trouble following the logic in your last part. You say
>>> I appear to be learned and not looking for a free hand out (thank you I
>>> would like to think you are right on both counts), but then you go on to
>>> say I am either from NE or a young idealist who hasn't learned anything
>>> yet. Being neither of these, and since you are from the Athens, GA area
>>> and also not a young idealist it sounds like we are in the same boat. I
>>> appreciate your empathy and wish to extend my sympathies to you and your
>>> offspring. I know how hard it is to accept someone so antithetical to
>>> be your President but look on the bright side. At least you aren't a
>>> heartbeat away from having Sarah as your president.
>>>
>>>
>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>> Actually, JP, I WAS referring to CNBC because they were interviewing
>>>> the new Pay Czar, who refused 12 invitations from Fox to appear on
>>>> their show. NBC is NBC no matter what letter appears before it. You
>>>> should know that from your Ebonics classes.
>>>> If you are so up to date and know both sides, can you tell me the down
>>>> side of the Farm/Environmental Bill that your girlfriend, the great
>>>> Nancy Pelosi is DEMANDING be passed by the end of next week? Why does
>>>> everything have to be rushed through Congress before it can even be
>>>> read and digested? This one is 1000 pages NOW. Have your TV stations
>>>> told you what it will do to the American economy and how much it will
>>>> affect the price of operating the farms, which of course translates to
>>>> food prices?
>>>>
>>>> Do yourself a favor and watch some Fox News so that, in the future, you
>>>> won't look quite as stupid when someone asks you who in the hell you
>>>> voted for. As for me, I voted for the American.
>>>> Maybe I'm mistaken but you appear learned and therefore probably aren't
>>>> looking for a free ride like most Obama voters are looking for. That
>>>> probably means you are either from the New England area or are a young,
>>>> idealist who hasn't learned anything yet. If you are neither of those,
>>>> than I truly feel sorry for you and your offspring (God forbid).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:h0s1lr$oa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> Thanks 631 - I think I missed where you said "the other SIDE OF THE
>>>>> STORY." Could you please tell me where that quote is? What you did
>>>>> say was that if you "watch something besides your left wing TV
>>>>> stations...you'll recognize the truth." I think that this infers that
>>>>> the truth will be found on some other station and, having listened to
>>>>> enough of FOX to know that all stations other than FOX are "left wing"
>>>>> I just assumed that you meant FOX. Was there another station you were
>>>>> referring to? AND although FOX declares itself to be fair and
>>>>> balanced I'm unaware that CNBC (where/who brought that up?) also
>>>>> claims that. I always thought CNBC was a business channel. Oh wait,
>>>>> I'll bet you meant MSNBC, didn't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> When my daughter was six and she would run out of logic she would say
>>>>> "shut up stupid". Is that the equivalent of "get your head out of the
>>>>> sand or some other dark place"? You really do know how to elevate a
>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>> I didn't say 'fair and balanced' but I said the other SIDE OF THE
>>>>>> STORY. How can you make an intelligent (oops, I forgot this is a
>>>>>> newsgroup and intelligence is not a prerequisite) decision if you
>>>>>> just listen to one side of the story. AND what makes you think
>>>>>> listening to CNBC is 'fair and balanced???' Tune in and learn what
>>>>>> is REALLY happening unless you can't get your head out of the sand or
>>>>>> some other dark place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "jp103" <jpoinier110522mi@nospamcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:h0qrn1$eju$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> 631grant wrote:
>>>>>>>> Same comment to you Miles!!! Wake up and watch something besides
>>>>>>>> your left wing TV stations and maybe, just maybe, you'll recognize
>>>>>>>> the truth.............
>>>>>>> Something fair and balanced like Fox with Beck, Hannity and
>>>>>>> O'Really!?!?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Miles Monroe" <none@none.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:Q8ZXl.31473$Ws1.26364@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>>> "Voyager" <m.whiting@computer.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:b6WXl.2227$Gn4.1378@newsfe10.iad...
>>>>>>>>>> Bill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:48:14 -0700, "Paradox"
>>>>>>>>>>> <parallaxaz@***.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:KTjXl.8394$he4.6089@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I just found out our Hyundai dealer in Athens, Ga went
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of
>>>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and our nearest dealer is now about 80 miles away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wonderful.......................
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the Obama Economy(?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the one he inherited from Bush. The only thing that makes
>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>> thinks bad about Obama is that he wasn't smart enough to say "no
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks" to the job.
>>>>>>>>>> The "it isn't my fault, I inherited it" excuse is wearing thin.
>>>>>>>>>> Obama has
>>>>>>>>>> spent more money in this first few months than Bush spent in
>>>>>>>>>> years. That
>>>>>>>>>> is simply a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>> It's Bush and the Republicans' fault. End of story. Spinning it
>>>>>>>>> won't alter
>>>>>>>>> reality. Deregulation failed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>

631grant

Curiously enough, the Cobalt with Auto transmission gets 4 MPG less than the
stick! That is very unusual in today's advanced automatic technology.
Usually the auto trans' are getting the same or maybe one mpg less than
stick, but 4?????


"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:K8sYl.10109$Xl4.9310@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .
> Hey, I just visited the new Chevy website and the Cobalt is being claimed
> to get 37 mpg!! Now that is quite an improvement and I stand corrected.
> I think Fiat and the Ford Fiesta will both force even more advances in
> fuel mileage in the coming years. They might even put enough pressure on
> Congress to adopt regulations to allow European diesel technology into the
> US and THEN we will truly have oil independence.
>
>
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net> wrote in message
> news:9b9ab$4a31c07d$452896c3$7685@ALLTEL.NET...
>>
>> "631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:RteYl.53574$qa.23773@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
>>> When did they deregulate the auto industry???? Chrysler and GM failed
>>> because they had Union labor getting paid way too much for what they
>>> did, they had cars that no one wanted at $4 a gallon for gas, their
>>> executives only cared about their bonuses, which is common today. They
>>> had no clue as to what the public really wanted in this economy. Rick
>>> Wagoneer (sp??) of GM gets on the podium and says the "new" GM would
>>> give the people World Class cars like the Cadillac CTS, the Escalade,
>>> SUV's, and pickup trucks. In an era of no credit, no money, rising gas
>>> prices, this idiot puts the future on gas guzzling cars that no one can
>>> afford to buy or run. He is just as stupid as you, Miles, since you are
>>> calling 'us' stupid.
>>>
>>
>> You might have had a good start there, but when you dove down to the
>> gutter with the "gas guzzler" crap, you completely lost any credibility
>> with your points. It would benefit you to examine the numbe of GM
>> vehicles that got over 30 mpg for the past several years, and how that
>> number compares to the competition. For all that GM has screwed up, gas
>> mileage is not among the list of bad moves. But then again - it does
>> feel good to type "gas guzzlers", dosen't it?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net
>>
>
>

Bill

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:25:54 -0400, "631grant"
<tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>No, I'm only two sniper rounds away from having Nancy Pelosi as my
>President!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SCARES THE OUT OF ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

Yeah, scares me too. ALMOST as much as being one heart attack away
from Palin being president.

Bill

Captain Rock

631grant wrote:
> Well, I guess you have 'shot your wad' if you're down to citing typing
> mistakes and making fun of my Parkinson's causing me to hit extra keys.
> YOU IN THE HEART!!
>

steady now, get a grip...

Irwell

On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:21:31 -0700, Captain Rock wrote:

> 631grant wrote:
>> Well, I guess you have 'shot your wad' if you're down to citing typing
>> mistakes and making fun of my Parkinson's causing me to hit extra keys.
>> YOU IN THE HEART!!
>>
>
> steady now, get a grip...

On shaky ground here.

Mike Marlow

"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
newsKrYl.10096$Xl4.9125@bignews5.bellsouth.net.. .

>I was wondering when you would jump in, Mike. I know about GM with their
>claims of all their 30 mpg cars but 30 mpg really doesn't cut it in the
>land of $4 a gallon gas, which is where we will end up again. The HHR is a
>great little car and we have one in our family but it SHOULD be getting 40
>mpg. I just don't believe 30 is the magic number we'll be looking for.
>Personal opinion.
>

Yeah - I supposed I might be a bit predictable at times. I'm just so tired
of that phrase "gas guzzlers", and it always seems to get thrown out there
for the effect, rather than a valid argument point. I do agree that it
seems we well ought to be able to expect mileage numbers in the 40's now,
without any radical designs. 30's was great for a generation of cars, and I
applaud GM for having lead the pack in producing as many cars as they did,
for as long as they did, that achieved that kind of mileage. But, like you,
I believe it's time to advance on that front. I really like both of the
Sonatas we own (04 and 06), and I have almost nothing but good to say about
them, but the one thing that struck me with each one of them was that the
mileage compared to my GM cars was actually somewhat off. Not so bad as to
make owning either one a bad experience, but it is hard at first to accept a
new car getting a couple/few less miles per gallon that what you owned
before it.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net

Mike Marlow

"631grant" <tjwitman@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:S0sYl.10104$Xl4.416@bignews5.bellsouth.net...

> As I've said on previous posts (and arguments with you) that when 40-50
> mpg is the norm in Europe, to say 30 mpg is good here is calling us a
> third world country. Please don't bring up the emissions copout since
> Europe is more Green than we are. Hell, my Sedona, just like yours, gets
> 30+ mpg. For a little car like the HHR or Cobalt to get the same mileage
> is sick.
>

40-50 isn't really the norm in Europe, is it? I too believe that a car like
the Cobalt should be getting better mileage. It does not seem unreasonable
to me to expect to see upper 30's out of that size car these days - without
going to steps like putting a diesel in it.

That said, my daughter recently replaced an 00 Sunfire with an 05 or 06
Mazda 3. Granted, you don't mention Japanese cars above, but they are
generally touted as being superior to GM in every respect, and certainly in
the mileage department. (Not so, but that's what you hear). Her in city
mileage dropped significantly (an impact to her because she lives in the
city and does a large amount of city driving), and her highway mileage
dropped some. Not as noticeable a drop as the city mileage, but still a
drop.

The HHR is a design nightmare for mileage figures. I can see where that
would struggle to attain the mileage that a more aerodynamic design should
achieve, but its city mileage could be better, I believe.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net