geronimo

A private seller has one in exc. condition, for $6K, his pay-off
amount. I like the 33 MPG HWY gas mileage....but it is a negative for
me that it has auto trans. The Blue Book value for a private seller is
$6700. Its 4-DR sedan, AC, AT. Has abt 87K miles. I see that the
value has gone down abt $800 from last years' Blue Book compared to
this years'. Would it be a reasonable assumption that it will go down
in value another $800 after one year (summer of 2007)?
Also, it is being financed by Navy Federal Credit Union by voucher
check. I have not had good luck with transmissions.... if it breaks,
the car is dead, as there is not $2 or $3 K (or whatever) to
replace/rebuild it. So is it possible to buy a waranty for late model
cars purchased from private sellers? I am expecting to leave the
country in another year, and so will be selling it then. Just need a
short-term waranty.

The last question is---does the engine have interference-type
valves that damage the motor if the timing belt breaks? Does it need a
timing belt change at 100K miles? Is it particularly difficult or
expensive on this 2 L 4-cyl engine?

Brian Nystrom

geronimo wrote:
> A private seller has one in exc. condition, for $6K, his pay-off
> amount. I like the 33 MPG HWY gas mileage....but it is a negative for
> me that it has auto trans.

Auto Elantras seem to struggle to get that kind of mileage. I'll bet
that's the best he's gotten, not typical mileage. OTOH, it's not unusual
for manual tranny Elantras to exceed their highway rating. My '04
regularly gets 36+ mpg on highway drives @65 mph and I average ~32 mpg
overall.

> I have not had good luck with transmissions.... if it breaks,
> the car is dead, as there is not $2 or $3 K (or whatever) to
> replace/rebuild it. So is it possible to buy a waranty for late model
> cars purchased from private sellers?

Perhaps, but it's likely to be too expensive to be worth it. Also,
private warranty companies have a nasty habit of going belly-up.

> The last question is---does the engine have interference-type
> valves that damage the motor if the timing belt breaks?

Yes.

> Does it need a timing belt change at 100K miles?

Yes.

> Is it particularly difficult or expensive on this 2 L 4-cyl engine?

Not particularly. Figure it will cost you ~$300 to have it done or you
can DIY for under $100.

Brian Nystrom

geronimo wrote:
> A private seller has one in exc. condition, for $6K, his pay-off
> amount. I like the 33 MPG HWY gas mileage....but it is a negative for
> me that it has auto trans.

Auto Elantras seem to struggle to get that kind of mileage. I'll bet
that's the best he's gotten, not typical mileage. OTOH, it's not unusual
for manual tranny Elantras to exceed their highway rating. My '04
regularly gets 36+ mpg on highway drives @65 mph and I average ~32 mpg
overall.

> I have not had good luck with transmissions.... if it breaks,
> the car is dead, as there is not $2 or $3 K (or whatever) to
> replace/rebuild it. So is it possible to buy a waranty for late model
> cars purchased from private sellers?

Perhaps, but it's likely to be too expensive to be worth it. Also,
private warranty companies have a nasty habit of going belly-up.

> The last question is---does the engine have interference-type
> valves that damage the motor if the timing belt breaks?

Yes.

> Does it need a timing belt change at 100K miles?

Yes.

> Is it particularly difficult or expensive on this 2 L 4-cyl engine?

Not particularly. Figure it will cost you ~$300 to have it done or you
can DIY for under $100.

Brian Nystrom

geronimo wrote:
> A private seller has one in exc. condition, for $6K, his pay-off
> amount. I like the 33 MPG HWY gas mileage....but it is a negative for
> me that it has auto trans.

Auto Elantras seem to struggle to get that kind of mileage. I'll bet
that's the best he's gotten, not typical mileage. OTOH, it's not unusual
for manual tranny Elantras to exceed their highway rating. My '04
regularly gets 36+ mpg on highway drives @65 mph and I average ~32 mpg
overall.

> I have not had good luck with transmissions.... if it breaks,
> the car is dead, as there is not $2 or $3 K (or whatever) to
> replace/rebuild it. So is it possible to buy a waranty for late model
> cars purchased from private sellers?

Perhaps, but it's likely to be too expensive to be worth it. Also,
private warranty companies have a nasty habit of going belly-up.

> The last question is---does the engine have interference-type
> valves that damage the motor if the timing belt breaks?

Yes.

> Does it need a timing belt change at 100K miles?

Yes.

> Is it particularly difficult or expensive on this 2 L 4-cyl engine?

Not particularly. Figure it will cost you ~$300 to have it done or you
can DIY for under $100.

hyundaitech

Actually, the timing belt should have been done at 60k. If it hasn't been
done yet, you should subtract that from the value of the car. Also, 87k
seems like a lot of miles for an '03. Be sure you've also accounted for
this in the pricing.

hyundaitech

Actually, the timing belt should have been done at 60k. If it hasn't been
done yet, you should subtract that from the value of the car. Also, 87k
seems like a lot of miles for an '03. Be sure you've also accounted for
this in the pricing.

hyundaitech

Actually, the timing belt should have been done at 60k. If it hasn't been
done yet, you should subtract that from the value of the car. Also, 87k
seems like a lot of miles for an '03. Be sure you've also accounted for
this in the pricing.

Rev. Tom Wenndt

A couple of notes on your post:

Over the holidays, I got me a used '02 Elantra. Before I could even begin
the look-over to see if I wanted it, the dealership it had been traded to
had already done flushes on the tranny, radiator and even brake fluid.

The car had 73,000 miles on it. I had them replace the timing belt (yes, it
is an interference engine) before I brought it home. With those miles on
yours, I might suggest the same - do it NOW, and then you won't have to
worry about it.

I would also recommend an immediate transmission fluid service, preferrably
NOT by a fast lube place, unless they can demonstrate that they have truly
compatible fluid (read - NOT Dexron-based, even if it claims to be
multi-vehicle fluid, unless it is synthetic fluid). The failure rate on
these Elantra trannys is pretty low, and keeping up with the fluid is a big
key to keeping it trouble-free. If you do this, I suspect you won't have
any problems.

You may also wish to do a radiator service of some kind, and that probably
CAN be done by a fast-lube place. (Personally, unless a car has anti-lock
brakes, I don't see the purpose of a brake fluid flush, especially at the
two-year interval suggested by the flush people).

Don't discount taking it to a Hyundai dealer for this work. While there may
be a few less-than-good ones out there, my experience has been first rate.
They can also run your VIN and make sure there are no open recalls, and
maybe even find some additional maintenance history on it for you.

As for value, like almost all cars, it will depreciate. While it's tough to
put a number on it for another year, I think $700 or so is a reasonable
number. I don't find that troublesome, unless you buy your cars only as an
investment. I buy mine to drive them (or in this case, so my kids can).

Have only had my Elantra approximately 7 months, but can tell that those
flushes were a catalyst to keeping this thing going long-term. Have had no
troubles (except needing new tires, which happens to every car) and don't
expect any. Suspect the same will be true for you.

In that vein, I do not EVER recommend a maintenance contract/extended
warranty. Not only do the companies that provide them often go belly-up,
but the value is poor. On the used cars where it has been offered to me, it
would have been cheaper to have the tranny rebuilt or replaced (had that
happened) then to purchase those worthless contracts.

Any car that may need that much work just shouldn't be purchased. And any
car worth purchasing just won't give you anything close to the problems that
would give you your money's worth on an extended warranty.

I say "go for it." But just my two cents.

Tom Wenndt



<geronimo> wrote in message
news:9kogb2lpm180g3k1smq3df2jft42eq7co3@4ax.com...
>A private seller has one in exc. condition, for $6K, his pay-off
> amount. I like the 33 MPG HWY gas mileage....but it is a negative for
> me that it has auto trans. The Blue Book value for a private seller is
> $6700. Its 4-DR sedan, AC, AT. Has abt 87K miles. I see that the
> value has gone down abt $800 from last years' Blue Book compared to
> this years'. Would it be a reasonable assumption that it will go down
> in value another $800 after one year (summer of 2007)?
> Also, it is being financed by Navy Federal Credit Union by voucher
> check. I have not had good luck with transmissions.... if it breaks,
> the car is dead, as there is not $2 or $3 K (or whatever) to
> replace/rebuild it. So is it possible to buy a waranty for late model
> cars purchased from private sellers? I am expecting to leave the
> country in another year, and so will be selling it then. Just need a
> short-term waranty.
>
> The last question is---does the engine have interference-type
> valves that damage the motor if the timing belt breaks? Does it need a
> timing belt change at 100K miles? Is it particularly difficult or
> expensive on this 2 L 4-cyl engine?

Rev. Tom Wenndt

A couple of notes on your post:

Over the holidays, I got me a used '02 Elantra. Before I could even begin
the look-over to see if I wanted it, the dealership it had been traded to
had already done flushes on the tranny, radiator and even brake fluid.

The car had 73,000 miles on it. I had them replace the timing belt (yes, it
is an interference engine) before I brought it home. With those miles on
yours, I might suggest the same - do it NOW, and then you won't have to
worry about it.

I would also recommend an immediate transmission fluid service, preferrably
NOT by a fast lube place, unless they can demonstrate that they have truly
compatible fluid (read - NOT Dexron-based, even if it claims to be
multi-vehicle fluid, unless it is synthetic fluid). The failure rate on
these Elantra trannys is pretty low, and keeping up with the fluid is a big
key to keeping it trouble-free. If you do this, I suspect you won't have
any problems.

You may also wish to do a radiator service of some kind, and that probably
CAN be done by a fast-lube place. (Personally, unless a car has anti-lock
brakes, I don't see the purpose of a brake fluid flush, especially at the
two-year interval suggested by the flush people).

Don't discount taking it to a Hyundai dealer for this work. While there may
be a few less-than-good ones out there, my experience has been first rate.
They can also run your VIN and make sure there are no open recalls, and
maybe even find some additional maintenance history on it for you.

As for value, like almost all cars, it will depreciate. While it's tough to
put a number on it for another year, I think $700 or so is a reasonable
number. I don't find that troublesome, unless you buy your cars only as an
investment. I buy mine to drive them (or in this case, so my kids can).

Have only had my Elantra approximately 7 months, but can tell that those
flushes were a catalyst to keeping this thing going long-term. Have had no
troubles (except needing new tires, which happens to every car) and don't
expect any. Suspect the same will be true for you.

In that vein, I do not EVER recommend a maintenance contract/extended
warranty. Not only do the companies that provide them often go belly-up,
but the value is poor. On the used cars where it has been offered to me, it
would have been cheaper to have the tranny rebuilt or replaced (had that
happened) then to purchase those worthless contracts.

Any car that may need that much work just shouldn't be purchased. And any
car worth purchasing just won't give you anything close to the problems that
would give you your money's worth on an extended warranty.

I say "go for it." But just my two cents.

Tom Wenndt



<geronimo> wrote in message
news:9kogb2lpm180g3k1smq3df2jft42eq7co3@4ax.com...
>A private seller has one in exc. condition, for $6K, his pay-off
> amount. I like the 33 MPG HWY gas mileage....but it is a negative for
> me that it has auto trans. The Blue Book value for a private seller is
> $6700. Its 4-DR sedan, AC, AT. Has abt 87K miles. I see that the
> value has gone down abt $800 from last years' Blue Book compared to
> this years'. Would it be a reasonable assumption that it will go down
> in value another $800 after one year (summer of 2007)?
> Also, it is being financed by Navy Federal Credit Union by voucher
> check. I have not had good luck with transmissions.... if it breaks,
> the car is dead, as there is not $2 or $3 K (or whatever) to
> replace/rebuild it. So is it possible to buy a waranty for late model
> cars purchased from private sellers? I am expecting to leave the
> country in another year, and so will be selling it then. Just need a
> short-term waranty.
>
> The last question is---does the engine have interference-type
> valves that damage the motor if the timing belt breaks? Does it need a
> timing belt change at 100K miles? Is it particularly difficult or
> expensive on this 2 L 4-cyl engine?

Rev. Tom Wenndt

A couple of notes on your post:

Over the holidays, I got me a used '02 Elantra. Before I could even begin
the look-over to see if I wanted it, the dealership it had been traded to
had already done flushes on the tranny, radiator and even brake fluid.

The car had 73,000 miles on it. I had them replace the timing belt (yes, it
is an interference engine) before I brought it home. With those miles on
yours, I might suggest the same - do it NOW, and then you won't have to
worry about it.

I would also recommend an immediate transmission fluid service, preferrably
NOT by a fast lube place, unless they can demonstrate that they have truly
compatible fluid (read - NOT Dexron-based, even if it claims to be
multi-vehicle fluid, unless it is synthetic fluid). The failure rate on
these Elantra trannys is pretty low, and keeping up with the fluid is a big
key to keeping it trouble-free. If you do this, I suspect you won't have
any problems.

You may also wish to do a radiator service of some kind, and that probably
CAN be done by a fast-lube place. (Personally, unless a car has anti-lock
brakes, I don't see the purpose of a brake fluid flush, especially at the
two-year interval suggested by the flush people).

Don't discount taking it to a Hyundai dealer for this work. While there may
be a few less-than-good ones out there, my experience has been first rate.
They can also run your VIN and make sure there are no open recalls, and
maybe even find some additional maintenance history on it for you.

As for value, like almost all cars, it will depreciate. While it's tough to
put a number on it for another year, I think $700 or so is a reasonable
number. I don't find that troublesome, unless you buy your cars only as an
investment. I buy mine to drive them (or in this case, so my kids can).

Have only had my Elantra approximately 7 months, but can tell that those
flushes were a catalyst to keeping this thing going long-term. Have had no
troubles (except needing new tires, which happens to every car) and don't
expect any. Suspect the same will be true for you.

In that vein, I do not EVER recommend a maintenance contract/extended
warranty. Not only do the companies that provide them often go belly-up,
but the value is poor. On the used cars where it has been offered to me, it
would have been cheaper to have the tranny rebuilt or replaced (had that
happened) then to purchase those worthless contracts.

Any car that may need that much work just shouldn't be purchased. And any
car worth purchasing just won't give you anything close to the problems that
would give you your money's worth on an extended warranty.

I say "go for it." But just my two cents.

Tom Wenndt



<geronimo> wrote in message
news:9kogb2lpm180g3k1smq3df2jft42eq7co3@4ax.com...
>A private seller has one in exc. condition, for $6K, his pay-off
> amount. I like the 33 MPG HWY gas mileage....but it is a negative for
> me that it has auto trans. The Blue Book value for a private seller is
> $6700. Its 4-DR sedan, AC, AT. Has abt 87K miles. I see that the
> value has gone down abt $800 from last years' Blue Book compared to
> this years'. Would it be a reasonable assumption that it will go down
> in value another $800 after one year (summer of 2007)?
> Also, it is being financed by Navy Federal Credit Union by voucher
> check. I have not had good luck with transmissions.... if it breaks,
> the car is dead, as there is not $2 or $3 K (or whatever) to
> replace/rebuild it. So is it possible to buy a waranty for late model
> cars purchased from private sellers? I am expecting to leave the
> country in another year, and so will be selling it then. Just need a
> short-term waranty.
>
> The last question is---does the engine have interference-type
> valves that damage the motor if the timing belt breaks? Does it need a
> timing belt change at 100K miles? Is it particularly difficult or
> expensive on this 2 L 4-cyl engine?

MidnightGray

Brian Nystrom;17969 Wrote:
> geronimo wrote:
> > A private seller has one in exc. condition, for $6K, his pay-off
> > amount. I like the 33 MPG HWY gas mileage....but it is a negativ
> for
> > me that it has auto trans.
>
> Auto Elantras seem to struggle to get that kind of mileage. I'll bet
> that's the best he's gotten, not typical mileage. OTOH, it's no
> unusual
> for manual tranny Elantras to exceed their highway rating. My '04
> regularly gets 36+ mpg on highway drives @65 mph and I average ~32 mpg
> overall.
>
> > I have not had good luck with transmissions.... if it breaks,
> > the car is dead, as there is not $2 or $3 K (or whatever) to
> > replace/rebuild it. So is it possible to buy a waranty for lat
> model
> > cars purchased from private sellers?
>
>
> Just for the record, I routinely get 35 mpg (highway) with my 200
> (automatic) Elantra driving 60-65 mph. My best (highway) mileage eve
> recorded was 38+ mpg at 55 mph under ideal driving conditions. Drivin
> 70-75 mph drops it down to around 32-33 mpg (highway) on average. Cit
> driving averages around 25 mpg, sometimes a little better.
>
> As for automatic vs. manual transmissions, most automatics these day
> will last well into the life of the vehicle if they're maintaine
> properly. The problem you run into is when they're not maintaine
> properly or if the transmission design has a history of failure. Al
> except a few of my vehicles over the past 35+ years have bee
> automatics, and many of them logged well over 150K miles without an
> issues and never a failure. Based on my experiences, I've never ha
> reason to worry about automatic transmission failure. The same couldn'
> be said for the 4-speed stick in my wife's 1980 Camaro. It didn't tak
> much to toast that puppy. Sometimes it's just a personal preference. I
> you're really concerned about the failure rate ask hyundaitech what hi
> experience has been or check the vehicle service histories complied b
> Consumer Reports. Good luck

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:53:38 -0600, MidnightGray
<MidnightGray.2jvgdz@automotive-usenet.com> wrote:

>
>Brian Nystrom;17969 Wrote:
>> geronimo wrote:
>> > A private seller has one in exc. condition, for $6K, his pay-off
>> > amount. I like the 33 MPG HWY gas mileage....but it is a negative
>> for
>> > me that it has auto trans.
>>
>> Auto Elantras seem to struggle to get that kind of mileage. I'll bet
>> that's the best he's gotten, not typical mileage. OTOH, it's not
>> unusual
>> for manual tranny Elantras to exceed their highway rating. My '04
>> regularly gets 36+ mpg on highway drives @65 mph and I average ~32 mpg
>> overall.
>>
>> > I have not had good luck with transmissions.... if it breaks,
>> > the car is dead, as there is not $2 or $3 K (or whatever) to
>> > replace/rebuild it. So is it possible to buy a waranty for late
>> model
>> > cars purchased from private sellers?
>>
>>
>> Just for the record, I routinely get 35 mpg (highway) with my 2003
>> (automatic) Elantra driving 60-65 mph. My best (highway) mileage ever
>> recorded was 38+ mpg at 55 mph under ideal driving conditions. Driving
>> 70-75 mph drops it down to around 32-33 mpg (highway) on average. City
>> driving averages around 25 mpg, sometimes a little better.
>>
>> As for automatic vs. manual transmissions, most automatics these days
>> will last well into the life of the vehicle if they're maintained
>> properly. The problem you run into is when they're not maintained
>> properly or if the transmission design has a history of failure. All
>> except a few of my vehicles over the past 35+ years have been
>> automatics, and many of them logged well over 150K miles without any
>> issues and never a failure. Based on my experiences, I've never had
>> reason to worry about automatic transmission failure. The same couldn't
>> be said for the 4-speed stick in my wife's 1980 Camaro. It didn't take
>> much to toast that puppy. Sometimes it's just a personal preference. If
>> you're really concerned about the failure rate ask hyundaitech what his
>> experience has been or check the vehicle service histories complied by
>> Consumer Reports. Good luck.

My wife and I have an 05 and an 03. Both are GT's with auto. We both
average 29-30 in mixed driving. About 33-35 pure highway. Hope this
helps. We both are very happy with the cars. I personally like the 03
better than the 05. It feels more solid to me.