star raider

My dealer said that this oil filter has some sensor in it, to my wife.
Sounds like BS.

Is this true....has technolgy change so much there is a sensor in a oil
filter?

And He said if you use a non Hyundai filter...you void the warranty. From
what I read in the warranty docs...this is only true if is is directly
related to some failure.

K. Collier

There is so much bunk in this that I almost fell out of my chair.
There is no sensor. And using non-Hyundai anything does not automatically
void your warranty. You do have to use parts that meet the recommended
specs... but there are lots of choices out there.

Kevin

"star raider" <noreply.@noreply.com> wrote in message
news:_zySc.94839$V96.41894@cyclops.nntpserver.com. ..
> My dealer said that this oil filter has some sensor in it, to my wife.
> Sounds like BS.
>
> Is this true....has technolgy change so much there is a sensor in a oil
> filter?
>
> And He said if you use a non Hyundai filter...you void the warranty. From
> what I read in the warranty docs...this is only true if is is directly
> related to some failure.
>
>
>
>

Curtis Newton

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:13:27 -0400, "star raider"
<noreply.@noreply.com> wrote:

>My dealer said that this oil filter has some sensor in it, to my wife.
>Sounds like BS.
>
>Is this true....has technolgy change so much there is a sensor in a oil
>filter?
>
>And He said if you use a non Hyundai filter...you void the warranty. From
>what I read in the warranty docs...this is only true if is is directly
>related to some failure.
>
>


Not sure about Hyundai, but a few manufacturers are putting sensors in
to tell you when to replace the oil, but it has nothing to do with the
oil filter.

Next time they quote you must use a Hyundai oil filter, tell them
according to the Magnuson-Moss Act, if the use of a non-Hyundai part
voids the warranty, the dealer is required to give the part to you to
maintain the warrany. I am sure they will say it isn't required, but
encouraged......IOW, you can use any part that is an OEM equivalent
(i.e. Purolator, etc).

Except from Act:
While the Magnuson-Moss Act does not require manufacturers to provide
a written warranty, it provides specific rules when one is provided.
Among those provisions, FTC regulations state: “(c) No warrantor of a
consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such
product on the consumer’s using, in connection with such product, any
article or service (other than article or service provided without
charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand,
trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this
subsection may be waived by the Commission if – ((1)the warrantor
satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function
properly only if the article or service so identified is used in
connection with the warranted product, and (2) the Commission finds
that such a waiver is in the public interest.” ((42 U.S.C.2302(C))
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Brian Nystrom

Your dealer is either a moron or a jerk! Read Curtis Newton's reply
again. That's the straight scoop.

As for aftermarket filters, Purolator's Pure One is generally considered
among the best, if not THE best. The standard filter is p/n 14459. You
can also use p/n 24458, which is the same except for being ~30% longer,
which provides more surface area and better flow.


star raider wrote:

> My dealer said that this oil filter has some sensor in it, to my wife.
> Sounds like BS.
>
> Is this true....has technolgy change so much there is a sensor in a oil
> filter?
>
> And He said if you use a non Hyundai filter...you void the warranty. From
> what I read in the warranty docs...this is only true if is is directly
> related to some failure.
>
>
>
>

star raider

Heres more info, I called the service manager and challenged is statement on
the sensor......so he back pedaled his statement. Now he says my wife
mis-understood.....good cop out....(My wife is no dumb blonde......and can
service a car, she caught him in the lie)

The filter has a check valve, this makes sense now...but he did say sensor.
The check value prevents the engine from draining back through the
filter...pulling oil down from the head units. ......Now this makes some
sense.

He did add, Only the Hyundai and Wik brand filters have the check value.
He clearly said Fram does not. I don't have feedback about Purculator or
others.


"Curtis Newton" <cnewton.remove-this@akamail.com> wrote in message
newsmglh09s6gdr1pde61asu12eqot0dfi0mg@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:13:27 -0400, "star raider"
> <noreply.@noreply.com> wrote:
>
> >My dealer said that this oil filter has some sensor in it, to my wife.
> >Sounds like BS.
> >
> >Is this true....has technolgy change so much there is a sensor in a oil
> >filter?
> >
> >And He said if you use a non Hyundai filter...you void the warranty. From
> >what I read in the warranty docs...this is only true if is is directly
> >related to some failure.
> >
> >
>
>
> Not sure about Hyundai, but a few manufacturers are putting sensors in
> to tell you when to replace the oil, but it has nothing to do with the
> oil filter.
>
> Next time they quote you must use a Hyundai oil filter, tell them
> according to the Magnuson-Moss Act, if the use of a non-Hyundai part
> voids the warranty, the dealer is required to give the part to you to
> maintain the warrany. I am sure they will say it isn't required, but
> encouraged......IOW, you can use any part that is an OEM equivalent
> (i.e. Purolator, etc).
>
> Except from Act:
> While the Magnuson-Moss Act does not require manufacturers to provide
> a written warranty, it provides specific rules when one is provided.
> Among those provisions, FTC regulations state: "(c) No warrantor of a
> consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such
> product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any
> article or service (other than article or service provided without
> charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand,
> trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this
> subsection may be waived by the Commission if - ((1)the warrantor
> satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function
> properly only if the article or service so identified is used in
> connection with the warranted product, and (2) the Commission finds
> that such a waiver is in the public interest." ((42 U.S.C.2302(C))
> -
> --
> Curtis Newton
> cnewton.remove-this@akaMail.com
> http://surf.to/cnewton
> ICQ: 4899169
> Anti-Spam filter in place--
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S25

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:12:33 -0400, "star raider"
<noreply.@noreply.com> wrote:

> <snip>
>The filter has a check valve, this makes sense now...but he did say sensor.
>The check value prevents the engine from draining back through the
>filter...pulling oil down from the head units. ......Now this makes some sense.
>
>He did add, Only the Hyundai and Wik brand filters have the check value.
>He clearly said Fram does not. I don't have feedback about Purculator or
>others.
=========================================
You can E-mail ( or telephone! ) the filter companies
about particular part number and they will give you any
(non-propietary) information.
Also, parts supplier 'desk books' have filter specs.

S25
-------------------------------------------------------------------
A short Google on the www and I found the following:
( Usual disclaimers. )

These Oil Filters
have 20 x 1.5mm threads,
10-18 psi by-pass valves,
anti-drain back valves.

Purolator PL14459
Mobil-1 M1-104
AMSOil SMF 102
Baldwin B227
Fram PH6010A
Hastings LF402
NAPA 1334
Purolator L14459
WIX 51334
________________________________________

Brian Nystrom

star raider wrote:

> Heres more info, I called the service manager and challenged is statement on
> the sensor......so he back pedaled his statement. Now he says my wife
> mis-understood.....good cop out....(My wife is no dumb blonde......and can
> service a car, she caught him in the lie)
>
> The filter has a check valve, this makes sense now...but he did say sensor.
> The check value prevents the engine from draining back through the
> filter...pulling oil down from the head units. ......Now this makes some
> sense.
>
> He did add, Only the Hyundai and Wik brand filters have the check value.
> He clearly said Fram does not. I don't have feedback about Purculator or
> others.

Either this truly knows nothing about cars or you just caught him in
another lie. Go elsewhere, since you cannot trust this guy to give you a
staight answer. Whether it's due to ignorance or malice, bad info is
still bad info.

Fram filters are junk, so stay away from them. Wix makes decent filters,
but they're typically sold under other brand names. For some in-depth
info on oil filters, read the following test:

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/oil_filter_study/