sludge
#46
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Re: sludge
Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'Pep Boys has a special machine that cleans out sludge, dirt, etc...from
> the internal engine passages. It is called a Bilstein Engine Flush
> procedure which is very effective . They use special solvent cleaner
> thru high capacity filters . They conclude by adding fresh oil and an
> oil filter. I think the total price was $129.
>
> Maintain the car properly and you don't need gimmicks like this.
> Matt
>
> REPLY: Until youve had it done and see the junk that comes out in the
> Bilstien Machine and its filters....you shouldnt make relative opinions
> of inaccuracy. Regards.
It isn't the gunk that comes out that I care about, it is the gunk that
is loosened up and doesn't come out. I stand by my claim that these
treatments are not necessary, at best cause no harm, and at worst can
ruin your engine.
Kind of like all of the things dealers used to add on to line their
pockets and fleece customers - remember, rust proofing, scotch guard, etc.
Matt
> 'Pep Boys has a special machine that cleans out sludge, dirt, etc...from
> the internal engine passages. It is called a Bilstein Engine Flush
> procedure which is very effective . They use special solvent cleaner
> thru high capacity filters . They conclude by adding fresh oil and an
> oil filter. I think the total price was $129.
>
> Maintain the car properly and you don't need gimmicks like this.
> Matt
>
> REPLY: Until youve had it done and see the junk that comes out in the
> Bilstien Machine and its filters....you shouldnt make relative opinions
> of inaccuracy. Regards.
It isn't the gunk that comes out that I care about, it is the gunk that
is loosened up and doesn't come out. I stand by my claim that these
treatments are not necessary, at best cause no harm, and at worst can
ruin your engine.
Kind of like all of the things dealers used to add on to line their
pockets and fleece customers - remember, rust proofing, scotch guard, etc.
Matt
#47
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Re: sludge
Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'I've done engine flushes on sludged engines and seen no appreciable
> difference. It may wash some of the sludge out of the passages, but the
> bulk of it remains in the engine. In my opinion, it's mostly a waste of
> money.'
>
> REPLY: DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
> pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block
> oil passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
> circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
> of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ?
> Ive personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage
> vehicles and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil
> and high performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k
> miles if its done with this specific Machine.
Let me guess. After you do this, you get 10% better fuel mileage, your
engine has 20 more HP, it runs quieter, starts better and stops faster.
Did I miss anything?
Matt
> 'I've done engine flushes on sludged engines and seen no appreciable
> difference. It may wash some of the sludge out of the passages, but the
> bulk of it remains in the engine. In my opinion, it's mostly a waste of
> money.'
>
> REPLY: DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
> pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block
> oil passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
> circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
> of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ?
> Ive personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage
> vehicles and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil
> and high performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k
> miles if its done with this specific Machine.
Let me guess. After you do this, you get 10% better fuel mileage, your
engine has 20 more HP, it runs quieter, starts better and stops faster.
Did I miss anything?
Matt
#48
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Re: sludge
Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'I've done engine flushes on sludged engines and seen no appreciable
> difference. It may wash some of the sludge out of the passages, but the
> bulk of it remains in the engine. In my opinion, it's mostly a waste of
> money.'
>
> REPLY: DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
> pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block
> oil passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
> circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
> of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ?
> Ive personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage
> vehicles and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil
> and high performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k
> miles if its done with this specific Machine.
Let me guess. After you do this, you get 10% better fuel mileage, your
engine has 20 more HP, it runs quieter, starts better and stops faster.
Did I miss anything?
Matt
> 'I've done engine flushes on sludged engines and seen no appreciable
> difference. It may wash some of the sludge out of the passages, but the
> bulk of it remains in the engine. In my opinion, it's mostly a waste of
> money.'
>
> REPLY: DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
> pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block
> oil passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
> circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
> of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ?
> Ive personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage
> vehicles and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil
> and high performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k
> miles if its done with this specific Machine.
Let me guess. After you do this, you get 10% better fuel mileage, your
engine has 20 more HP, it runs quieter, starts better and stops faster.
Did I miss anything?
Matt
#49
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Re: sludge
Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'I've done engine flushes on sludged engines and seen no appreciable
> difference. It may wash some of the sludge out of the passages, but the
> bulk of it remains in the engine. In my opinion, it's mostly a waste of
> money.'
>
> REPLY: DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
> pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block
> oil passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
> circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
> of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ?
> Ive personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage
> vehicles and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil
> and high performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k
> miles if its done with this specific Machine.
Let me guess. After you do this, you get 10% better fuel mileage, your
engine has 20 more HP, it runs quieter, starts better and stops faster.
Did I miss anything?
Matt
> 'I've done engine flushes on sludged engines and seen no appreciable
> difference. It may wash some of the sludge out of the passages, but the
> bulk of it remains in the engine. In my opinion, it's mostly a waste of
> money.'
>
> REPLY: DId you do it with the Bilstien ENgine Flush Machine which
> pumps heated solvent thru the oil filter spindle, fills up the block
> oil passages with the solvent letting it sit for 15 minutes , then
> circulates fresh solvent thru at 45 psi while the old solvent comes out
> of the Oil Pan and across filters in the Machine which are visible ?
> Ive personally witnessed this being done on two of my high mileage
> vehicles and i change oil with filter at 3 k. miles using synthetic oil
> and high performance oil filter. Its worth it to do about every 40 k
> miles if its done with this specific Machine.
Let me guess. After you do this, you get 10% better fuel mileage, your
engine has 20 more HP, it runs quieter, starts better and stops faster.
Did I miss anything?
Matt
#50
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Re: sludge
Dave's been a good boy here. There have been others who have been out of
line with their comments and have dredged up their so-called trash from
other places.
I don't car about what anyone else says happens other places, not am I
going to go there just to look for dirt on Dave. He could be a great guy
or he could be the world's largest angle-side-side. As long as he's
respectful here (as he has been), I'll reply.
line with their comments and have dredged up their so-called trash from
other places.
I don't car about what anyone else says happens other places, not am I
going to go there just to look for dirt on Dave. He could be a great guy
or he could be the world's largest angle-side-side. As long as he's
respectful here (as he has been), I'll reply.
#51
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Re: sludge
Dave's been a good boy here. There have been others who have been out of
line with their comments and have dredged up their so-called trash from
other places.
I don't car about what anyone else says happens other places, not am I
going to go there just to look for dirt on Dave. He could be a great guy
or he could be the world's largest angle-side-side. As long as he's
respectful here (as he has been), I'll reply.
line with their comments and have dredged up their so-called trash from
other places.
I don't car about what anyone else says happens other places, not am I
going to go there just to look for dirt on Dave. He could be a great guy
or he could be the world's largest angle-side-side. As long as he's
respectful here (as he has been), I'll reply.
#52
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Posts: n/a
Re: sludge
Dave's been a good boy here. There have been others who have been out of
line with their comments and have dredged up their so-called trash from
other places.
I don't car about what anyone else says happens other places, not am I
going to go there just to look for dirt on Dave. He could be a great guy
or he could be the world's largest angle-side-side. As long as he's
respectful here (as he has been), I'll reply.
line with their comments and have dredged up their so-called trash from
other places.
I don't car about what anyone else says happens other places, not am I
going to go there just to look for dirt on Dave. He could be a great guy
or he could be the world's largest angle-side-side. As long as he's
respectful here (as he has been), I'll reply.
#53
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Re: sludge
'The pitchers that sold my former dealership the machine described that
it would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.'
REPLY: How did you know alot of it was still in the engine ? And, did
you do the Bilstein Engine Flush twice for the engine that was really
sludge'd up ?
it would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.'
REPLY: How did you know alot of it was still in the engine ? And, did
you do the Bilstein Engine Flush twice for the engine that was really
sludge'd up ?
#54
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Re: sludge
'The pitchers that sold my former dealership the machine described that
it would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.'
REPLY: How did you know alot of it was still in the engine ? And, did
you do the Bilstein Engine Flush twice for the engine that was really
sludge'd up ?
it would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.'
REPLY: How did you know alot of it was still in the engine ? And, did
you do the Bilstein Engine Flush twice for the engine that was really
sludge'd up ?
#55
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Re: sludge
'The pitchers that sold my former dealership the machine described that
it would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.'
REPLY: How did you know alot of it was still in the engine ? And, did
you do the Bilstein Engine Flush twice for the engine that was really
sludge'd up ?
it would take out all the sludge, etc. Well, it doesn't.'
REPLY: How did you know alot of it was still in the engine ? And, did
you do the Bilstein Engine Flush twice for the engine that was really
sludge'd up ?
#56
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Re: sludge
'Dave apparently is the same poster who I recently noticed touting
incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing) '
REPLY: Had you bothered to really investigate that running straight
distilled water makes an automotive engine cool better than a 50/50
coolant solution....you would have found i was in fact, correct. In the
RV NG , i even posted proof to this fact from Redline Chemical Co's
website and asked why you think Indy Racers use straight water in their
engines. Lastly, there are laws which protect me sharing my Faith and
it was America that was founded on Christian morals and ethics and even
squarely on Jesus Christ ; if anything, you should NOT be a 'godless
heathen' nor should you be supporting the moral degradation associated
with it. George Washingtons inagural address specifically disents from
your 'religion' of godlessness and hedonism, and, it is the root cause
of current Post Modernisms societal decay---exactly as George Washington
said would happen if America ever turned its back on God and his
principles .
incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing) '
REPLY: Had you bothered to really investigate that running straight
distilled water makes an automotive engine cool better than a 50/50
coolant solution....you would have found i was in fact, correct. In the
RV NG , i even posted proof to this fact from Redline Chemical Co's
website and asked why you think Indy Racers use straight water in their
engines. Lastly, there are laws which protect me sharing my Faith and
it was America that was founded on Christian morals and ethics and even
squarely on Jesus Christ ; if anything, you should NOT be a 'godless
heathen' nor should you be supporting the moral degradation associated
with it. George Washingtons inagural address specifically disents from
your 'religion' of godlessness and hedonism, and, it is the root cause
of current Post Modernisms societal decay---exactly as George Washington
said would happen if America ever turned its back on God and his
principles .
#57
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Posts: n/a
Re: sludge
'Dave apparently is the same poster who I recently noticed touting
incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing) '
REPLY: Had you bothered to really investigate that running straight
distilled water makes an automotive engine cool better than a 50/50
coolant solution....you would have found i was in fact, correct. In the
RV NG , i even posted proof to this fact from Redline Chemical Co's
website and asked why you think Indy Racers use straight water in their
engines. Lastly, there are laws which protect me sharing my Faith and
it was America that was founded on Christian morals and ethics and even
squarely on Jesus Christ ; if anything, you should NOT be a 'godless
heathen' nor should you be supporting the moral degradation associated
with it. George Washingtons inagural address specifically disents from
your 'religion' of godlessness and hedonism, and, it is the root cause
of current Post Modernisms societal decay---exactly as George Washington
said would happen if America ever turned its back on God and his
principles .
incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing) '
REPLY: Had you bothered to really investigate that running straight
distilled water makes an automotive engine cool better than a 50/50
coolant solution....you would have found i was in fact, correct. In the
RV NG , i even posted proof to this fact from Redline Chemical Co's
website and asked why you think Indy Racers use straight water in their
engines. Lastly, there are laws which protect me sharing my Faith and
it was America that was founded on Christian morals and ethics and even
squarely on Jesus Christ ; if anything, you should NOT be a 'godless
heathen' nor should you be supporting the moral degradation associated
with it. George Washingtons inagural address specifically disents from
your 'religion' of godlessness and hedonism, and, it is the root cause
of current Post Modernisms societal decay---exactly as George Washington
said would happen if America ever turned its back on God and his
principles .
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: sludge
'Dave apparently is the same poster who I recently noticed touting
incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing) '
REPLY: Had you bothered to really investigate that running straight
distilled water makes an automotive engine cool better than a 50/50
coolant solution....you would have found i was in fact, correct. In the
RV NG , i even posted proof to this fact from Redline Chemical Co's
website and asked why you think Indy Racers use straight water in their
engines. Lastly, there are laws which protect me sharing my Faith and
it was America that was founded on Christian morals and ethics and even
squarely on Jesus Christ ; if anything, you should NOT be a 'godless
heathen' nor should you be supporting the moral degradation associated
with it. George Washingtons inagural address specifically disents from
your 'religion' of godlessness and hedonism, and, it is the root cause
of current Post Modernisms societal decay---exactly as George Washington
said would happen if America ever turned its back on God and his
principles .
incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing) '
REPLY: Had you bothered to really investigate that running straight
distilled water makes an automotive engine cool better than a 50/50
coolant solution....you would have found i was in fact, correct. In the
RV NG , i even posted proof to this fact from Redline Chemical Co's
website and asked why you think Indy Racers use straight water in their
engines. Lastly, there are laws which protect me sharing my Faith and
it was America that was founded on Christian morals and ethics and even
squarely on Jesus Christ ; if anything, you should NOT be a 'godless
heathen' nor should you be supporting the moral degradation associated
with it. George Washingtons inagural address specifically disents from
your 'religion' of godlessness and hedonism, and, it is the root cause
of current Post Modernisms societal decay---exactly as George Washington
said would happen if America ever turned its back on God and his
principles .
#59
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Re: sludge
'It isn't the gunk that comes out that I care about, it is the gunk that
is loosened up and doesn't come out. I stand by my claim that these
treatments are not necessary, at best cause no harm, and at worst can
ruin your engine.'
REPLY: Have you actually seen the Bilstein Flush Machine in operation
by a trained person ? If not, then you should refrain from denouncing
it until you have seen it in operation and have some conclusive
emphirical evidence to accurately report on . Lastly, what is your
basis for assuming that the sludge doesnt come out ?
is loosened up and doesn't come out. I stand by my claim that these
treatments are not necessary, at best cause no harm, and at worst can
ruin your engine.'
REPLY: Have you actually seen the Bilstein Flush Machine in operation
by a trained person ? If not, then you should refrain from denouncing
it until you have seen it in operation and have some conclusive
emphirical evidence to accurately report on . Lastly, what is your
basis for assuming that the sludge doesnt come out ?
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: sludge
'It isn't the gunk that comes out that I care about, it is the gunk that
is loosened up and doesn't come out. I stand by my claim that these
treatments are not necessary, at best cause no harm, and at worst can
ruin your engine.'
REPLY: Have you actually seen the Bilstein Flush Machine in operation
by a trained person ? If not, then you should refrain from denouncing
it until you have seen it in operation and have some conclusive
emphirical evidence to accurately report on . Lastly, what is your
basis for assuming that the sludge doesnt come out ?
is loosened up and doesn't come out. I stand by my claim that these
treatments are not necessary, at best cause no harm, and at worst can
ruin your engine.'
REPLY: Have you actually seen the Bilstein Flush Machine in operation
by a trained person ? If not, then you should refrain from denouncing
it until you have seen it in operation and have some conclusive
emphirical evidence to accurately report on . Lastly, what is your
basis for assuming that the sludge doesnt come out ?