Matt Whiting wrote:
> Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
>
>> 'Dave apparently is the same poster who I recently noticed touting
>> incorrect advice about anti-freeze usage in alt.rv. (along with his OT
>> and unwanted Christian Fundamentalistic proselytizing) '
>>
>> REPLY: Had you bothered to really investigate that running straight
>> distilled water makes an automotive engine cool better than a 50/50
>> coolant solution....you would have found i was in fact, correct.
>
>
> Yes, but coolant serves other purposes in addition to heat transfer. And
> pure water isn't very good at corrosion protection, seal protection, etc.

It also has a lower boiling point, a higher freezing point and therefore
doesn't protect against either as well as a 50:50 mix. Water is fine in
racing engines that get torn down after a few hundred miles, but it's
ridiculous to run it in a street engine.

 

hyundaitech wrote:
> I looked inside before and after. No noticeable change. Considering the
> amount of sludge that was originally there and the amount that was still
> there, I didn't see the point in doing it a second time.

Game, set and match to Hyundaitech! ;-)

 

hyundaitech wrote:
> I looked inside before and after. No noticeable change. Considering the
> amount of sludge that was originally there and the amount that was still
> there, I didn't see the point in doing it a second time.

Game, set and match to Hyundaitech! ;-)

 

hyundaitech wrote:
> I looked inside before and after. No noticeable change. Considering the
> amount of sludge that was originally there and the amount that was still
> there, I didn't see the point in doing it a second time.

Game, set and match to Hyundaitech! ;-)

 

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'I've been an engineer for 23 years and I paid my way through
> engineering school working as a diesel mechanic, truck driver and logger
> for nearly 7 years. I've seen Detroit diesels with sludge an inch thick
> in spots and carbon a half inch thick (nearly closed off the transfer
> ports in the cylinders). This caused no ill affects at all other than
> power loss from the carbon deposits. This engine had nearly 10,000 hours
> on it.
> Even if the machine removed every bit of sludge and caused no harm at
> all, the point is that is also doesn't help any so it is money wasted.
> Nobody can see inside your engine so having it spotless makes no
> difference.
> Do you own stock in this company?
> Matt '
>
> REPLY: Glad to see you have had a good career Matt ; however, unless
> you have first hand experience with this Bilstien Machine , have seen
> the results, and the evidence , etc.... you should reserve any
> disparaging comments regarding it.

Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I. Do you have first-hand
experience with alcohol? illegal drugs? prostitutes? homosexuality?
or any other things that you consider to be sinful?

If not, does that mean that you don't condemn such activities since you
lack personal experience with them?


Matt

 

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'I've been an engineer for 23 years and I paid my way through
> engineering school working as a diesel mechanic, truck driver and logger
> for nearly 7 years. I've seen Detroit diesels with sludge an inch thick
> in spots and carbon a half inch thick (nearly closed off the transfer
> ports in the cylinders). This caused no ill affects at all other than
> power loss from the carbon deposits. This engine had nearly 10,000 hours
> on it.
> Even if the machine removed every bit of sludge and caused no harm at
> all, the point is that is also doesn't help any so it is money wasted.
> Nobody can see inside your engine so having it spotless makes no
> difference.
> Do you own stock in this company?
> Matt '
>
> REPLY: Glad to see you have had a good career Matt ; however, unless
> you have first hand experience with this Bilstien Machine , have seen
> the results, and the evidence , etc.... you should reserve any
> disparaging comments regarding it.

Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I. Do you have first-hand
experience with alcohol? illegal drugs? prostitutes? homosexuality?
or any other things that you consider to be sinful?

If not, does that mean that you don't condemn such activities since you
lack personal experience with them?


Matt

 

Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
> 'I've been an engineer for 23 years and I paid my way through
> engineering school working as a diesel mechanic, truck driver and logger
> for nearly 7 years. I've seen Detroit diesels with sludge an inch thick
> in spots and carbon a half inch thick (nearly closed off the transfer
> ports in the cylinders). This caused no ill affects at all other than
> power loss from the carbon deposits. This engine had nearly 10,000 hours
> on it.
> Even if the machine removed every bit of sludge and caused no harm at
> all, the point is that is also doesn't help any so it is money wasted.
> Nobody can see inside your engine so having it spotless makes no
> difference.
> Do you own stock in this company?
> Matt '
>
> REPLY: Glad to see you have had a good career Matt ; however, unless
> you have first hand experience with this Bilstien Machine , have seen
> the results, and the evidence , etc.... you should reserve any
> disparaging comments regarding it.

Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I. Do you have first-hand
experience with alcohol? illegal drugs? prostitutes? homosexuality?
or any other things that you consider to be sinful?

If not, does that mean that you don't condemn such activities since you
lack personal experience with them?


Matt

 

"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19066-44ADA559-1451@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net...
>
> 'I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
> magic machine?
> Matt'
>
> REPLY: The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
> Systems came along.
>
What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata, Elantra,
Taurus, etc?

 

"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19066-44ADA559-1451@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net...
>
> 'I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
> magic machine?
> Matt'
>
> REPLY: The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
> Systems came along.
>
What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata, Elantra,
Taurus, etc?

 

"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19066-44ADA559-1451@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net...
>
> 'I wonder how cars have operated so well for 100 years without this
> magic machine?
> Matt'
>
> REPLY: The same way they did before Capacitive Discharge Ignition
> Systems came along.
>
What's that got to do with normal, production vehicles - Sonata, Elantra,
Taurus, etc?

 

'You've got a pretty warped perspective, Dave. All it takes is a brief
look around to see that some of the most immoral people on the planet
also claim to be very religious. Religion has been used to justify some
of the most heinously immoral acts in history.'

REPLY: I beg to differ with you on 'my warped perspective' . And...i
wish i had a nickel for everytime i hear this common anti-God rhetoric ;
heres the deal : Many things are done in the name of religion or God ,
but that doesnt mean that they ARE OF GOD . (And i have no doubt you
already knew this fact quite well). The Founders of this Nation
definitively agreed that it was the Christian God and the Christian
Bible and Godly Principles , morals, and ethics...that would best serve
AMerica for generations to come -- surely not secular humanism and the
ever changing cultural whims of today. A close look at secular humanism
reveals all the social ills and vices we have before us today ; the
biggest atrocity being over 1,000,000 developing human beings in the
'mothers' womb being brutally ripped out due to the desire to hide the
guilt, shame, and inconvenience of a fling gone wrong ; and countless
supporters of this who could care less.

'Religious belief is not a prerequisite for morality, nor is it a
guarantee of it. Conversely, lack of religious belief does not portend
immorality or hedonism.'

REPLY: Firm religious beliefs followed by action to obedience most
certainly should lead to a moral way of living if one sees him/herself
as a special creation of a personal Almighty Creator which affords
dignity and great value . Conversely, firm religious belief that one
is nothing more than a distant relative of a one celled pond protozoa
who accidentally found himself swimming in literal Pond Scum and
(impossibly) graduated to a 206 bone human being with a brain
informational capacity far surpassing any Computer 'created' by man so
he can do as he wishes without any ultimate accountability .... is the
perfect recipe for immoral hedonism and other forms of willful
suppression to ones moral conscience which accomodates his
self-serving/narcissitic agenda . Alduous Huxley , Evolutionist , said
it best :" I didnt reject the Creator based on a lack of
evidence...rather, it was due to my sexual mores" .

'You sound like just another typical intolerant religious zealot. '

REPLY: Please dont expect me to be tolerant to anti-god philosophies
which have brought irrepairable ruin to this country ; if George
Washington and the Boys were here today, they would have voted to cast
you out to Singapore for some serious desenitization to following the
decadent American culture of today.

'You may believe that you're part of the solution, but people like you
are actually the major source of the problem.'

REPLY: We are only 'a part of the problem' when it comes to being a fly
in your liberal agenda . The Countrys Founders are too, since they
vehemently spoke out against your form of religion.

'Who was it who said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto
you"? '

REPLY: His name is Jesus Christ , whom the Founding Fathers loved and
honored in addition to nearly all the Founders of the Sciences ,
countless Generals, Presidents, Scholars, Law Professors, and
'allegedly' 90% of current Americans according to a fairly recent George
Barna Poll (although you see most of them out on the golf course on a
Sunday morning or waking up with someone new, instead of in a corporate
worship environment giving rightful praise to God). By the way, Jesus
never espoused tolerance toward degradation and a decadent culture...in
fact, he exposed it and the Bible calls us to do the same. Did you know
Jesus literally threw out thieves and swindlers for desecrating a holy
place ?

'If you don't want other people's beliefs imposed on you, don't impose
yours upon them. Pretty simple, eh?'

REPLY: Sounds so nice and sweet ...however, its been this kind of
complacency and apathy toward the twisted view of 'tolerance' which has
sunk America into the moral sewer. With no return . Jesus said when you
see someone going down the wrong path in life, to show them their error
so they can hopefully get back on the correct path. To do otherwise
(which todays twisted tolerance philosophy is) is to show you dont
really care about the person nor the repercussions which come from
his/her actions... both for the individual and for society as a whole.

'If more people followed that principle and adopted the "live and let
live" credo, there'd be a lot less strife in this world.'

REPLY: More and more people have followed this tolerance credo over
the last few decades...so today we have your credo expanded to the
following : 45,000,000 americans with genital herpes, 5,500,000 new
cases per year of Human Papoloid Virus (the precursor to cervical cancer
in women) , 33 circulating STD's of which nearly all are permanent for
life, countless misled Americans thinking traditional marriage is of
the 'dark ages' , the growing acceptance that two men making love with
each others feces and demanding the populus recognize their behavior as
a perfectly acceptable lifestyle, 4400 developing human beings/day
being sucked into a nearby sink while 'the mother' watches from 3 feet
away (Americas own Haulocaust) , multitudes being brainwashed into
thinking they can do whatever they desire because of moral relativism
(just so long as others practice absolute morality toward them ) , a
growing flagrant disregard for others possesions, et al, ad nauseum.
Isnt Tolerant-ism just dandy ?

'Can we go back to talking about cars now? '

REPLY: Sure ; I drive a 2002 Hyundai SUV which arrived at my local
Dealership purely by accidental collisions upon collisions , over a very
long period of time, matter, and natural laws . All without any
personal intelligent input , I might add.

 

'You've got a pretty warped perspective, Dave. All it takes is a brief
look around to see that some of the most immoral people on the planet
also claim to be very religious. Religion has been used to justify some
of the most heinously immoral acts in history.'

REPLY: I beg to differ with you on 'my warped perspective' . And...i
wish i had a nickel for everytime i hear this common anti-God rhetoric ;
heres the deal : Many things are done in the name of religion or God ,
but that doesnt mean that they ARE OF GOD . (And i have no doubt you
already knew this fact quite well). The Founders of this Nation
definitively agreed that it was the Christian God and the Christian
Bible and Godly Principles , morals, and ethics...that would best serve
AMerica for generations to come -- surely not secular humanism and the
ever changing cultural whims of today. A close look at secular humanism
reveals all the social ills and vices we have before us today ; the
biggest atrocity being over 1,000,000 developing human beings in the
'mothers' womb being brutally ripped out due to the desire to hide the
guilt, shame, and inconvenience of a fling gone wrong ; and countless
supporters of this who could care less.

'Religious belief is not a prerequisite for morality, nor is it a
guarantee of it. Conversely, lack of religious belief does not portend
immorality or hedonism.'

REPLY: Firm religious beliefs followed by action to obedience most
certainly should lead to a moral way of living if one sees him/herself
as a special creation of a personal Almighty Creator which affords
dignity and great value . Conversely, firm religious belief that one
is nothing more than a distant relative of a one celled pond protozoa
who accidentally found himself swimming in literal Pond Scum and
(impossibly) graduated to a 206 bone human being with a brain
informational capacity far surpassing any Computer 'created' by man so
he can do as he wishes without any ultimate accountability .... is the
perfect recipe for immoral hedonism and other forms of willful
suppression to ones moral conscience which accomodates his
self-serving/narcissitic agenda . Alduous Huxley , Evolutionist , said
it best :" I didnt reject the Creator based on a lack of
evidence...rather, it was due to my sexual mores" .

'You sound like just another typical intolerant religious zealot. '

REPLY: Please dont expect me to be tolerant to anti-god philosophies
which have brought irrepairable ruin to this country ; if George
Washington and the Boys were here today, they would have voted to cast
you out to Singapore for some serious desenitization to following the
decadent American culture of today.

'You may believe that you're part of the solution, but people like you
are actually the major source of the problem.'

REPLY: We are only 'a part of the problem' when it comes to being a fly
in your liberal agenda . The Countrys Founders are too, since they
vehemently spoke out against your form of religion.

'Who was it who said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto
you"? '

REPLY: His name is Jesus Christ , whom the Founding Fathers loved and
honored in addition to nearly all the Founders of the Sciences ,
countless Generals, Presidents, Scholars, Law Professors, and
'allegedly' 90% of current Americans according to a fairly recent George
Barna Poll (although you see most of them out on the golf course on a
Sunday morning or waking up with someone new, instead of in a corporate
worship environment giving rightful praise to God). By the way, Jesus
never espoused tolerance toward degradation and a decadent culture...in
fact, he exposed it and the Bible calls us to do the same. Did you know
Jesus literally threw out thieves and swindlers for desecrating a holy
place ?

'If you don't want other people's beliefs imposed on you, don't impose
yours upon them. Pretty simple, eh?'

REPLY: Sounds so nice and sweet ...however, its been this kind of
complacency and apathy toward the twisted view of 'tolerance' which has
sunk America into the moral sewer. With no return . Jesus said when you
see someone going down the wrong path in life, to show them their error
so they can hopefully get back on the correct path. To do otherwise
(which todays twisted tolerance philosophy is) is to show you dont
really care about the person nor the repercussions which come from
his/her actions... both for the individual and for society as a whole.

'If more people followed that principle and adopted the "live and let
live" credo, there'd be a lot less strife in this world.'

REPLY: More and more people have followed this tolerance credo over
the last few decades...so today we have your credo expanded to the
following : 45,000,000 americans with genital herpes, 5,500,000 new
cases per year of Human Papoloid Virus (the precursor to cervical cancer
in women) , 33 circulating STD's of which nearly all are permanent for
life, countless misled Americans thinking traditional marriage is of
the 'dark ages' , the growing acceptance that two men making love with
each others feces and demanding the populus recognize their behavior as
a perfectly acceptable lifestyle, 4400 developing human beings/day
being sucked into a nearby sink while 'the mother' watches from 3 feet
away (Americas own Haulocaust) , multitudes being brainwashed into
thinking they can do whatever they desire because of moral relativism
(just so long as others practice absolute morality toward them ) , a
growing flagrant disregard for others possesions, et al, ad nauseum.
Isnt Tolerant-ism just dandy ?

'Can we go back to talking about cars now? '

REPLY: Sure ; I drive a 2002 Hyundai SUV which arrived at my local
Dealership purely by accidental collisions upon collisions , over a very
long period of time, matter, and natural laws . All without any
personal intelligent input , I might add.

 

'You've got a pretty warped perspective, Dave. All it takes is a brief
look around to see that some of the most immoral people on the planet
also claim to be very religious. Religion has been used to justify some
of the most heinously immoral acts in history.'

REPLY: I beg to differ with you on 'my warped perspective' . And...i
wish i had a nickel for everytime i hear this common anti-God rhetoric ;
heres the deal : Many things are done in the name of religion or God ,
but that doesnt mean that they ARE OF GOD . (And i have no doubt you
already knew this fact quite well). The Founders of this Nation
definitively agreed that it was the Christian God and the Christian
Bible and Godly Principles , morals, and ethics...that would best serve
AMerica for generations to come -- surely not secular humanism and the
ever changing cultural whims of today. A close look at secular humanism
reveals all the social ills and vices we have before us today ; the
biggest atrocity being over 1,000,000 developing human beings in the
'mothers' womb being brutally ripped out due to the desire to hide the
guilt, shame, and inconvenience of a fling gone wrong ; and countless
supporters of this who could care less.

'Religious belief is not a prerequisite for morality, nor is it a
guarantee of it. Conversely, lack of religious belief does not portend
immorality or hedonism.'

REPLY: Firm religious beliefs followed by action to obedience most
certainly should lead to a moral way of living if one sees him/herself
as a special creation of a personal Almighty Creator which affords
dignity and great value . Conversely, firm religious belief that one
is nothing more than a distant relative of a one celled pond protozoa
who accidentally found himself swimming in literal Pond Scum and
(impossibly) graduated to a 206 bone human being with a brain
informational capacity far surpassing any Computer 'created' by man so
he can do as he wishes without any ultimate accountability .... is the
perfect recipe for immoral hedonism and other forms of willful
suppression to ones moral conscience which accomodates his
self-serving/narcissitic agenda . Alduous Huxley , Evolutionist , said
it best :" I didnt reject the Creator based on a lack of
evidence...rather, it was due to my sexual mores" .

'You sound like just another typical intolerant religious zealot. '

REPLY: Please dont expect me to be tolerant to anti-god philosophies
which have brought irrepairable ruin to this country ; if George
Washington and the Boys were here today, they would have voted to cast
you out to Singapore for some serious desenitization to following the
decadent American culture of today.

'You may believe that you're part of the solution, but people like you
are actually the major source of the problem.'

REPLY: We are only 'a part of the problem' when it comes to being a fly
in your liberal agenda . The Countrys Founders are too, since they
vehemently spoke out against your form of religion.

'Who was it who said "Do unto others as you would have them do unto
you"? '

REPLY: His name is Jesus Christ , whom the Founding Fathers loved and
honored in addition to nearly all the Founders of the Sciences ,
countless Generals, Presidents, Scholars, Law Professors, and
'allegedly' 90% of current Americans according to a fairly recent George
Barna Poll (although you see most of them out on the golf course on a
Sunday morning or waking up with someone new, instead of in a corporate
worship environment giving rightful praise to God). By the way, Jesus
never espoused tolerance toward degradation and a decadent culture...in
fact, he exposed it and the Bible calls us to do the same. Did you know
Jesus literally threw out thieves and swindlers for desecrating a holy
place ?

'If you don't want other people's beliefs imposed on you, don't impose
yours upon them. Pretty simple, eh?'

REPLY: Sounds so nice and sweet ...however, its been this kind of
complacency and apathy toward the twisted view of 'tolerance' which has
sunk America into the moral sewer. With no return . Jesus said when you
see someone going down the wrong path in life, to show them their error
so they can hopefully get back on the correct path. To do otherwise
(which todays twisted tolerance philosophy is) is to show you dont
really care about the person nor the repercussions which come from
his/her actions... both for the individual and for society as a whole.

'If more people followed that principle and adopted the "live and let
live" credo, there'd be a lot less strife in this world.'

REPLY: More and more people have followed this tolerance credo over
the last few decades...so today we have your credo expanded to the
following : 45,000,000 americans with genital herpes, 5,500,000 new
cases per year of Human Papoloid Virus (the precursor to cervical cancer
in women) , 33 circulating STD's of which nearly all are permanent for
life, countless misled Americans thinking traditional marriage is of
the 'dark ages' , the growing acceptance that two men making love with
each others feces and demanding the populus recognize their behavior as
a perfectly acceptable lifestyle, 4400 developing human beings/day
being sucked into a nearby sink while 'the mother' watches from 3 feet
away (Americas own Haulocaust) , multitudes being brainwashed into
thinking they can do whatever they desire because of moral relativism
(just so long as others practice absolute morality toward them ) , a
growing flagrant disregard for others possesions, et al, ad nauseum.
Isnt Tolerant-ism just dandy ?

'Can we go back to talking about cars now? '

REPLY: Sure ; I drive a 2002 Hyundai SUV which arrived at my local
Dealership purely by accidental collisions upon collisions , over a very
long period of time, matter, and natural laws . All without any
personal intelligent input , I might add.

 

'Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I'

REPLY: Glad to hear that Matt. So, if you were to die very
unexpectedly tonight and stand before God immediatly, how would you
answer the question of him asking you :" Matt, why should i let you into
Heaven for eternity ?" .

'Do you have first-hand experience with alcohol? illegal drugs?
prostitutes? homosexuality? or any other things that you consider to be
sinful?'

REPLY: Yes on most of those, prior to acceptance of making Christ the
Lord of my everyday life.

'If not, does that mean that you don't condemn such activities since you
lack personal experience with them?'

REPLY: I dont need to condemn some activity based on IF i have had
first hand experience with them ; the absolute answer to whether they
are right or not is found in 'The Manufacturers Manual' aka : The Bible
If the Bible listed The Bilstien Flush Machine as a credible
thing..then that would be good enough for me without even seeing one.
If it isnt listed there, then, the next best thing would be to undergo
an intensive investigation into it including a careful examination of
the evidence (a detailed written explanation of how it works, pictures,
its goal(s) , eye witness testimony, etc...). Unless i had done this,
it would be presumptuous of me to give a relative opinion when i could
have given a later absolute conviction as to its credibility. Hope
that helps Matt. Dave.

 

'Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I'

REPLY: Glad to hear that Matt. So, if you were to die very
unexpectedly tonight and stand before God immediatly, how would you
answer the question of him asking you :" Matt, why should i let you into
Heaven for eternity ?" .

'Do you have first-hand experience with alcohol? illegal drugs?
prostitutes? homosexuality? or any other things that you consider to be
sinful?'

REPLY: Yes on most of those, prior to acceptance of making Christ the
Lord of my everyday life.

'If not, does that mean that you don't condemn such activities since you
lack personal experience with them?'

REPLY: I dont need to condemn some activity based on IF i have had
first hand experience with them ; the absolute answer to whether they
are right or not is found in 'The Manufacturers Manual' aka : The Bible
If the Bible listed The Bilstien Flush Machine as a credible
thing..then that would be good enough for me without even seeing one.
If it isnt listed there, then, the next best thing would be to undergo
an intensive investigation into it including a careful examination of
the evidence (a detailed written explanation of how it works, pictures,
its goal(s) , eye witness testimony, etc...). Unless i had done this,
it would be presumptuous of me to give a relative opinion when i could
have given a later absolute conviction as to its credibility. Hope
that helps Matt. Dave.