Where's the Hybrids!
04-08-2005, 11:19 AM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
Stinking is in the nose of the beholder...
"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
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> Jody wrote:
>> diesels ive seen rarely smoke or stink, the tdi's
>
> I've seen diesels that didn't smoke, but they all stink.
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> Jody wrote:
>> diesels ive seen rarely smoke or stink, the tdi's
>
> I've seen diesels that didn't smoke, but they all stink.
04-08-2005, 12:43 PM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
"Robert Cohen" <robtcohen@msn.com> wrote in message
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|
| There is a long article in the actual ATLANTA CONSTITUTION this
morning
| regarding the hybrid car situation
|
| The bad news: Toyota has mucho hybrid patents--85 patents or
whatever
|
| The semi-good news: Toyota licenses a patent to Ford for its
SUV
| Explorer hybrid
|
| My perception: Toyota isn't gonna allow a major & incredibly
growing
| competitor Hyundai to do what's manifestly in the overall
world's
| public interest asap: cost-beneficial retail hybrid car
available in
| the upper teens of U.S. Dollars (a third or so less than the
Prius
| sells for)
|
....
| Meanwhile, hey, let's just spend ourselves & heirs into
financial
| dependence oblivion for that cheap (yeah, sure) !@#$%^&*()_+
Middle
| Eastern -tinged f'ing oil, so that the marketplace can
work
| its perverse magic
|
But there are other factors.
Toyota is also a financial company; you may not be aware that
they make a substantial percentage of their profit by trading
currency! They might be inclined to license their patents to
anyone if the price was right. And, at least within Japan, this
type of exchange has been part of inter-corporate relations for a
long time. And what about Honda?
Toyota also does not have a lock on hybrid technology; of course,
they've got their own implementations of it patented. But the
hybrid concept has been around for at least 70 years, and it's
been in use, too -- in parts here, parts there. And how many of
these patents are for design, not function? So, perhaps an
alternative hybrid set of designs might not be as efficient as
Toyota's, but it might be a nice efficiency boost nonetheless.
I agree with you that the Japanese manufacturers won't want to
help out a cheap-labor competitor, unless there was a big payoff
for them. And don't forget that China's right around the corner,
ready to undercut the Koreans. Even the Koreans are having some
of their manufacturing labor "offshored" to China.
Now, why have the American car makers behaved for years and years
as if their boards-of-directors were dominated by Texas oil men?
Richard
04-08-2005, 01:54 PM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
Richard: "Now, why have the American car makers behaved for years and
years
as if their boards-of-directors were dominated by Texas oil men? "
Me: Well, I am gonna inflict further wackoish speculations and folkish
lore financial theory(ies) upon ye; so best prepare yerselves for more
doom 'n gloom cynicism and pessimism, because this i perceive as true,
and I should hereaby apologize for the (appropriate) vulgarities:
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Reality is comic-tragic-absurd.
Subject: Krugman Column About China
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Date: 9/5/03 8:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Paul Krugman of the NYTIMES is a political-economist.
Today's column states that the (mainland) Chinese--if pissede at the
U.S. for
applying yuan re-evaluation pressure, or for whatever political
economic
reason--could conceivably stop buying U.S. treasury securities.
Krugman claims this could conceivably result in an American Fed
interest rate
increase of TWO percentage points.
The Chinese could just buy Euro denominated securities, says Professor
Krugman.
In other words: "e the U.S."
I believe him.
My further observation-conjecture-paranoia:
The reason (imho) there is a prevailing petro-dollar paradigm--why our
cars
don't run on steam or sun or anything (generally-massively) but the
usual
conventional petroleum--is that our political economic oil dependency
is in a
catch 22.
The Saudis would/could conceivably find it necessary for revenge to
withdraw
their investments in U.S. government and in U.S. institutional bonds
and
securities.
The Saudis could conceivably buy Euro denominated securities, and thus
unsubtlely say, "e the U.S."
The changeover time from petroleum demand to something else (steam,
hydrogen,
hybrid) would be so chaotic that the U.S. would discombobulate..
Such is seemingly actually why nothing of massive substance has been
done since
1973 about foreign oil dependency.
The alternative energy stuff has been so much bullshite propaganda and
tokenism
because of the catch 22.
Jimmy Carter may have cried to himself when he realized such sitting in
his
sweater at the White House fireplace.
He got morose on tv, as ye oldsters will recall.
The hydrogen fuel cell thing is apparently pie-in-the-sky malarkey
added to a
recent Bush speech to pacify critics.
Because the international financial system is delicately inter-dynamic
and
inter-dependent.
Nothing truly technologically revolutionary-radical can be done without
such
dire consequences.
Walter Mondale couildn't tell ya this, though it is what I perceive as
ominous
reality.
Krugman's column about inter-dependence of China & U.S. is at via:
http://www.nytimes.com
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years
as if their boards-of-directors were dominated by Texas oil men? "
Me: Well, I am gonna inflict further wackoish speculations and folkish
lore financial theory(ies) upon ye; so best prepare yerselves for more
doom 'n gloom cynicism and pessimism, because this i perceive as true,
and I should hereaby apologize for the (appropriate) vulgarities:
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Subject: Krugman Column About China
From: robtco...@aol.com.spam.no (Robert Cohen)
Date: 9/5/03 8:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Paul Krugman of the NYTIMES is a political-economist.
Today's column states that the (mainland) Chinese--if pissede at the
U.S. for
applying yuan re-evaluation pressure, or for whatever political
economic
reason--could conceivably stop buying U.S. treasury securities.
Krugman claims this could conceivably result in an American Fed
interest rate
increase of TWO percentage points.
The Chinese could just buy Euro denominated securities, says Professor
Krugman.
In other words: "e the U.S."
I believe him.
My further observation-conjecture-paranoia:
The reason (imho) there is a prevailing petro-dollar paradigm--why our
cars
don't run on steam or sun or anything (generally-massively) but the
usual
conventional petroleum--is that our political economic oil dependency
is in a
catch 22.
The Saudis would/could conceivably find it necessary for revenge to
withdraw
their investments in U.S. government and in U.S. institutional bonds
and
securities.
The Saudis could conceivably buy Euro denominated securities, and thus
unsubtlely say, "e the U.S."
The changeover time from petroleum demand to something else (steam,
hydrogen,
hybrid) would be so chaotic that the U.S. would discombobulate..
Such is seemingly actually why nothing of massive substance has been
done since
1973 about foreign oil dependency.
The alternative energy stuff has been so much bullshite propaganda and
tokenism
because of the catch 22.
Jimmy Carter may have cried to himself when he realized such sitting in
his
sweater at the White House fireplace.
He got morose on tv, as ye oldsters will recall.
The hydrogen fuel cell thing is apparently pie-in-the-sky malarkey
added to a
recent Bush speech to pacify critics.
Because the international financial system is delicately inter-dynamic
and
inter-dependent.
Nothing truly technologically revolutionary-radical can be done without
such
dire consequences.
Walter Mondale couildn't tell ya this, though it is what I perceive as
ominous
reality.
Krugman's column about inter-dependence of China & U.S. is at via:
http://www.nytimes.com
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04-08-2005, 07:07 PM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
What's an hybrid car? Take this fine SUV, or get the h outa GM's
showroom
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GM to Stop Los Angeles Times Advertising
LOS ANGELES (AP) - General Motors Corp. says it will stop advertising
in the Los Angeles Times, at least temporarily, because of dealer
concerns over ``factual errors and misrepresentations'' in the
newspaper's articles and editorials.
The newspaper, which is owned by Tribune Co., will review coverage that
prompted the complaints from the world's largest automaker, said Times
spokesman David Garcia.
GM spokesman Brian Akre would not identify which stories or editorials
the company objected to, but said it had been a series of reports over
the past several months. ``We made our objections known to the Times
and we prefer to keep those private,'' he said Friday by telephone from
Detroit.
He said the decision was made this week because of ``strongly voiced
objections from our dealers in Southern California regarding factual
errors and misrepresentations in the Times editorial coverage.''
``We recognize and support the news media's freedom to report and
editorialize as they see fit,'' Akre said. ``Likewise, GM and its
retailers are free to spend our advertising dollars where we see fit.''
The ban covers corporate advertising, not individual dealer ads in the
classified section, he said. The company did not say the cancellation
was permanent.
``There are ongoing discussions, which is all we can say,'' Akre said.
``This is an extremely rare occurrence.''
Garcia said in Friday's editions that the newspaper ``will look into
any complaints GM has about inaccuracy or misrepresentation and will
make any appropriate corrections.''
On Wednesday, the paper published a column by auto critic Dan Neil that
called GM, which has struggled recently with sluggish sales, ``a morass
of a business case'' and called for the ``impeachment'' of two
executives. Among other criticisms, Neil said GM ``utterly missed the
boat on hybrid gas-electric technology'' while speeding up production
of SUVs.
Neil won the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for criticism, cited by the judges for
``one-of-a-kind'' reviews of automobiles blending technical expertise
with ``offbeat humor and astute cultural observations.''
When asked about columns by Neil, Akre said, ``It was not any one
column or story.''
Neither GM nor the newspaper, which has a daily circulation of 900,000,
would say how much the automaker spends on its Times ads.
There are eight GM lines doing business in Southern California:
Chevrolet, Pontiac, GMC, Cadillac, Saab, Hummer, Saturn and Buick.
Akre said he didn't know how many dealers had complained.
Tribune shares fell 65 cents to close at $38.87 in Friday trading on
the New York Stock Exchange, near their 52-week low of $38.51.
© Copyright The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information
contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or
otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The
Associated Press.
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copyrighted by the los angeles times 2005
www.latimes.com
GM to Stop Los Angeles Times Advertising
LOS ANGELES (AP) - General Motors Corp. says it will stop advertising
in the Los Angeles Times, at least temporarily, because of dealer
concerns over ``factual errors and misrepresentations'' in the
newspaper's articles and editorials.
The newspaper, which is owned by Tribune Co., will review coverage that
prompted the complaints from the world's largest automaker, said Times
spokesman David Garcia.
GM spokesman Brian Akre would not identify which stories or editorials
the company objected to, but said it had been a series of reports over
the past several months. ``We made our objections known to the Times
and we prefer to keep those private,'' he said Friday by telephone from
Detroit.
He said the decision was made this week because of ``strongly voiced
objections from our dealers in Southern California regarding factual
errors and misrepresentations in the Times editorial coverage.''
``We recognize and support the news media's freedom to report and
editorialize as they see fit,'' Akre said. ``Likewise, GM and its
retailers are free to spend our advertising dollars where we see fit.''
The ban covers corporate advertising, not individual dealer ads in the
classified section, he said. The company did not say the cancellation
was permanent.
``There are ongoing discussions, which is all we can say,'' Akre said.
``This is an extremely rare occurrence.''
Garcia said in Friday's editions that the newspaper ``will look into
any complaints GM has about inaccuracy or misrepresentation and will
make any appropriate corrections.''
On Wednesday, the paper published a column by auto critic Dan Neil that
called GM, which has struggled recently with sluggish sales, ``a morass
of a business case'' and called for the ``impeachment'' of two
executives. Among other criticisms, Neil said GM ``utterly missed the
boat on hybrid gas-electric technology'' while speeding up production
of SUVs.
Neil won the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for criticism, cited by the judges for
``one-of-a-kind'' reviews of automobiles blending technical expertise
with ``offbeat humor and astute cultural observations.''
When asked about columns by Neil, Akre said, ``It was not any one
column or story.''
Neither GM nor the newspaper, which has a daily circulation of 900,000,
would say how much the automaker spends on its Times ads.
There are eight GM lines doing business in Southern California:
Chevrolet, Pontiac, GMC, Cadillac, Saab, Hummer, Saturn and Buick.
Akre said he didn't know how many dealers had complained.
Tribune shares fell 65 cents to close at $38.87 in Friday trading on
the New York Stock Exchange, near their 52-week low of $38.51.
© Copyright The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information
contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or
otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The
Associated Press.
04/08/2005 16:50
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04-09-2005, 05:18 AM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
My 4 cyl auto trans Santa Fe gets better gas mileage & has plenty of
room for humans as well as freezers, trees, and other large items I'd
have to pay delivery charges for.
Hyundai had a news article on Accent going by by to a MC or something
like that which is their hybrid for 2005. But where is it? Still a
small car, not the Tucson as I was told by Hyundai USA last year that
is fleet service hybrid only.
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> theawesome1@despammed.com wrote:
> > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23
on
> > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat
purchaser!!!!
>
> So why did you buy a Santa Fe? Get rid of it and buy an Accent.
Problem
> solved.
room for humans as well as freezers, trees, and other large items I'd
have to pay delivery charges for.
Hyundai had a news article on Accent going by by to a MC or something
like that which is their hybrid for 2005. But where is it? Still a
small car, not the Tucson as I was told by Hyundai USA last year that
is fleet service hybrid only.
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> theawesome1@despammed.com wrote:
> > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23
on
> > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat
purchaser!!!!
>
> So why did you buy a Santa Fe? Get rid of it and buy an Accent.
Problem
> solved.
04-09-2005, 05:55 PM
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Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going
around the world attacking other countries for their oil.
Don
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> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
>
around the world attacking other countries for their oil.
Don
<theawesome1@despammed.com> wrote in message
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> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
>
04-10-2005, 12:57 PM
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:55:45 -0700, some "Dumb" wrote:
>Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going
>around the world attacking other countries for their oil.
>
>Don
>
Take your political some where else. ing Idiot.
>Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going
>around the world attacking other countries for their oil.
>
>Don
>
Take your political some where else. ing Idiot.
04-10-2005, 02:19 PM
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What's with you? Geez.
....and what I said is absolutely true. We only import about 8% of our oil
from the Persian Gulf area. If we just made ourselves 10% more efficient we
wouldn't have to worry about it.
<hjk@suxcom.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:55:45 -0700, some "Dumb" wrote:
>
> >Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going
> >around the world attacking other countries for their oil.
> >
> >Don
> >
>
>
> Take your political some where else. ing Idiot.
>
>
....and what I said is absolutely true. We only import about 8% of our oil
from the Persian Gulf area. If we just made ourselves 10% more efficient we
wouldn't have to worry about it.
<hjk@suxcom.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:55:45 -0700, some "Dumb" wrote:
>
> >Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going
> >around the world attacking other countries for their oil.
> >
> >Don
> >
>
>
> Take your political some where else. ing Idiot.
>
>
04-10-2005, 07:22 PM
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> theawesome1@despammed.com wrote:
>> With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
>> average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
>> service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
whine, whine, whine
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04-10-2005, 09:26 PM
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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:19:27 -0700, "Don" <dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet>
wrote:
>What's with you? Geez.
>...and what I said is absolutely true. We only import about 8% of our oil
>from the Persian Gulf area. If we just made ourselves 10% more efficient we
>wouldn't have to worry about it.
>
What you said is not at all true. We have not attacked any country
for oil.
wrote:
>What's with you? Geez.
>...and what I said is absolutely true. We only import about 8% of our oil
>from the Persian Gulf area. If we just made ourselves 10% more efficient we
>wouldn't have to worry about it.
>
What you said is not at all true. We have not attacked any country
for oil.
04-10-2005, 09:45 PM
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Oh excuse me, it was for WMD's (snicker).
The fact is though that we really need to develop this sort of technology to
become more energy independant. That is why I responded to this, and I
applaud any company that goes in this direction. We have a 2003 Sante Fe
which we love but I'm in the market now for a second car which will probably
be a Toyota Prius. I hope Hyundai will develop similar cars ...and I would
consider them as I am very impressed with Hyundai quality.
But unfortunately, this does all tie in with politics. China and India
(1/3 of the world population) are rapidly developing. Their energy needs
are going to skyrocket soon. Oil prices will do the same. The more energy
independant we are, the better.
Don
"Not your business" <noonebutme@home.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:19:27 -0700, "Don" <dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet>
> wrote:
>
> >What's with you? Geez.
> >...and what I said is absolutely true. We only import about 8% of our
oil
> >from the Persian Gulf area. If we just made ourselves 10% more efficient
we
> >wouldn't have to worry about it.
> >
> What you said is not at all true. We have not attacked any country
> for oil.
The fact is though that we really need to develop this sort of technology to
become more energy independant. That is why I responded to this, and I
applaud any company that goes in this direction. We have a 2003 Sante Fe
which we love but I'm in the market now for a second car which will probably
be a Toyota Prius. I hope Hyundai will develop similar cars ...and I would
consider them as I am very impressed with Hyundai quality.
But unfortunately, this does all tie in with politics. China and India
(1/3 of the world population) are rapidly developing. Their energy needs
are going to skyrocket soon. Oil prices will do the same. The more energy
independant we are, the better.
Don
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> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:19:27 -0700, "Don" <dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet>
> wrote:
>
> >What's with you? Geez.
> >...and what I said is absolutely true. We only import about 8% of our
oil
> >from the Persian Gulf area. If we just made ourselves 10% more efficient
we
> >wouldn't have to worry about it.
> >
> What you said is not at all true. We have not attacked any country
> for oil.
04-11-2005, 01:04 PM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
Good post!
Seamus J. Wilson
"Don" <dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet> wrote in message
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> Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going
> around the world attacking other countries for their oil.
>
> Don
>
> <theawesome1@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:1112823000.159441.262470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
> > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
> >
>
>
Seamus J. Wilson
"Don" <dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet> wrote in message
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> Yeah, just make all cars 10 or 15% more efficient and we can stop going
> around the world attacking other countries for their oil.
>
> Don
>
> <theawesome1@despammed.com> wrote in message
> news:1112823000.159441.262470@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > With gas going to $3 a gal for 97 octane, I want over 40 mpg not 23 on
> > average city/shy combined with the Santa Fe. Tucsons are but fleet
> > service only, so lets get building for the regular repeat purchaser!!!!
> >
>
>
04-11-2005, 10:22 PM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:05:15 -0700, "Richard Steinfeld"
<rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>| > yuup hyundais draggin there *** on the hybrid thing for
>northamerica.
>
>I think we can let the Koreans off the hook about this one. I'll
>explain. I've discovered that here in Silicon Valley, Korean
>companies have actually been doing their R&D. I suspect that a
>good amount of their auto design (certainly styling) has been
>done in California, too (Los Angeles, in this case).
>
>There are some aspects of American engineering that I've found in
>my Sonata. I can't talk much yet about this because I haven't had
>the car long. But my ears really perked up when Hyundaitech
>reported that my transmission actually has a drain plug: Hooray!
>That's the way American engineers like to design, and it's what
>you'd get in an American car before the penny-pinching cost
>vultures suck the quality out.
>
>My Ford Aerostar had no coolant bleed valve. You know how you
>bleed the air form a Ford Aerostar? Simple: you tilt the entire
>goddamn van and wait for the bubbles to go to the top. You do
>this three times. Who decided to remove the bleed valve and why?
>
>We can excuse the Koreans because they've not been in the car
>business that long, and they've done rather nicely, considering.
>
>The US carmakers have no such excuse. Honda was working on a
>solar car in 1974. Was Detroit? Detroit car makers have behaved
>as if oil people sit on their boards. There's no other
>explanation I can think of to explain why they'd rather lose huge
>amounts of business to foreign firms than to make an efficient
>car.
>
>I've seen a patent for a hybrid American truck dated 1926!
>Various forms of regeneration have been used in electric
>railroads since the early 20th Century. We had a good example
>here in the American West until surrounding mergers put the
>carrier under.
At the Petersen Car Museum in Los Angeles I saw an unrestored
gas/electric hybrid car that was manuafactured in 1918.
Old_Timer
>
>Dunno.
>
>It would seem that we would benefit from a Federal incentive
>crash program for domestic efficient cars -- hybrids certainly.
>Will the current Administration or Congress step up to the plate
>on this one? What would the patriotic thing be to do?
>
>Richard
<rgsteinBUTREMOVETHIS@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>"Jody" <jaaribare@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:FeZ4e.18689$Fy3.1046723@news20.bellglobal.co m...
>
>| > yuup hyundais draggin there *** on the hybrid thing for
>northamerica.
>
>I think we can let the Koreans off the hook about this one. I'll
>explain. I've discovered that here in Silicon Valley, Korean
>companies have actually been doing their R&D. I suspect that a
>good amount of their auto design (certainly styling) has been
>done in California, too (Los Angeles, in this case).
>
>There are some aspects of American engineering that I've found in
>my Sonata. I can't talk much yet about this because I haven't had
>the car long. But my ears really perked up when Hyundaitech
>reported that my transmission actually has a drain plug: Hooray!
>That's the way American engineers like to design, and it's what
>you'd get in an American car before the penny-pinching cost
>vultures suck the quality out.
>
>My Ford Aerostar had no coolant bleed valve. You know how you
>bleed the air form a Ford Aerostar? Simple: you tilt the entire
>goddamn van and wait for the bubbles to go to the top. You do
>this three times. Who decided to remove the bleed valve and why?
>
>We can excuse the Koreans because they've not been in the car
>business that long, and they've done rather nicely, considering.
>
>The US carmakers have no such excuse. Honda was working on a
>solar car in 1974. Was Detroit? Detroit car makers have behaved
>as if oil people sit on their boards. There's no other
>explanation I can think of to explain why they'd rather lose huge
>amounts of business to foreign firms than to make an efficient
>car.
>
>I've seen a patent for a hybrid American truck dated 1926!
>Various forms of regeneration have been used in electric
>railroads since the early 20th Century. We had a good example
>here in the American West until surrounding mergers put the
>carrier under.
At the Petersen Car Museum in Los Angeles I saw an unrestored
gas/electric hybrid car that was manuafactured in 1918.
Old_Timer
>
>Dunno.
>
>It would seem that we would benefit from a Federal incentive
>crash program for domestic efficient cars -- hybrids certainly.
>Will the current Administration or Congress step up to the plate
>on this one? What would the patriotic thing be to do?
>
>Richard
04-12-2005, 06:55 AM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
theawesome1@despammed.com wrote:
> My 4 cyl auto trans Santa Fe gets better gas mileage
Better mileage than what? If you mean better than an Accent, you're
dreaming! Thats' not even remotely possible.
> & has plenty of
> room for humans as well as freezers, trees, and other large items I'd
> have to pay delivery charges for.
Well, if is saves you so much money on other things, what are you
complaining about?
How often do you carry more than four people, or more than two, for that
matter? Asmall car, a trailer hitch and a cheap utility trailer costs a
lot less than an SUV, hauls more stuff and gets better gas mileage when
you're not hauling the trailer.
> Hyundai had a news article on Accent going by by to a MC or something
> like that which is their hybrid for 2005. But where is it? Still a
> small car, not the Tucson as I was told by Hyundai USA last year that
> is fleet service hybrid only.
Who said anything about a Hyundai hybrid for '05? I haven't heard about
anything coming out this year.
> My 4 cyl auto trans Santa Fe gets better gas mileage
Better mileage than what? If you mean better than an Accent, you're
dreaming! Thats' not even remotely possible.
> & has plenty of
> room for humans as well as freezers, trees, and other large items I'd
> have to pay delivery charges for.
Well, if is saves you so much money on other things, what are you
complaining about?
How often do you carry more than four people, or more than two, for that
matter? Asmall car, a trailer hitch and a cheap utility trailer costs a
lot less than an SUV, hauls more stuff and gets better gas mileage when
you're not hauling the trailer.
> Hyundai had a news article on Accent going by by to a MC or something
> like that which is their hybrid for 2005. But where is it? Still a
> small car, not the Tucson as I was told by Hyundai USA last year that
> is fleet service hybrid only.
Who said anything about a Hyundai hybrid for '05? I haven't heard about
anything coming out this year.