Where's the Hybrids!
04-15-2005, 02:38 PM
#46
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
<<If you actually sit down and do the math, figuring the increased cost
of
the car and fuel vs. the improved mileage, you'll probably find that it
will take you in excess of 10 years to actually save any money.>>
Be sure to do *all* the math - a diesel will be cheaper to service, and
may not need service as often. My own vehicle gets very poor gas
mileage, but nevertheless, the servicing costs almost as much per year
as the gas does.
John Cowart
of
the car and fuel vs. the improved mileage, you'll probably find that it
will take you in excess of 10 years to actually save any money.>>
Be sure to do *all* the math - a diesel will be cheaper to service, and
may not need service as often. My own vehicle gets very poor gas
mileage, but nevertheless, the servicing costs almost as much per year
as the gas does.
John Cowart
04-15-2005, 04:39 PM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
Jyea car that has only been drivin off the lot and had title transfered
is only worth about 75% of what was paid for the vehicle
for years ive been buyin a $200 junker cavalier ... driving it for a
good couple years ( average about 100k in those 2 years) with only
changing the oil about 4 times in the process
total cost of ownership == 150 a year ... now how much is that lease
payment of yours
oh and i forgot to mention ... after the couple of years ... i get 100
back on the car from the scrap yard .. so thats hmmm about 100 bucks a year
i dont get to drive a nice looking vehicle .. but it costs less than the
tax on your new vehicle and still gets me from point A to point B
ody wrote:
> your right i guess =)
> but i like to have new car, something weve never had
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
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>>Jody wrote:
>>
>>>yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so
>>>bad..
>>>the jetta doesnt cost any more than a loaded sonata so....
>>>if hyundai would bring their damn cdi's to canada theyed kick vws butt
>>
>>Leasing is the most expensive way to "own" a car. It ranks right up there
>>with buying and trading in every 2-3 years. Essentially, you're paying for
>>the cost of the car's depreciation during the years when it depreciates
>>the most. The reason that car companies push leasing is because that's
>>where they make the most money. While leasing makes sense for businesses,
>>it rarely makes economic sense for an individual.
>>
>>Nothing personal, but it seems a bit odd to me to quibble over a few bucks
>>in fuel costs when you're throwing away thousands of dollars due to your
>>choice of ownership method.
>>
>>If you're truly interested in saving money, the best way is to buy a car
>>that's 2-3 years old and keep it until it's worn out. Second best is to
>>buy a new car and keep it until it's worn out. By "worn out", I mean that
>>the cost of repairs exceeds the value of the vehicle. With reasonable
>>maintenance, that can easily be ten years and 150,000 miles or more.
>>
>>I'm generalizing here and perhaps you're in a special situation that
>>creates a different need. There are some good books available that explain
>>this in greater detail and help you decide what ownership method makes the
>>most sense for your situation, and how to negotiate the best deal. The
>>"classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't get Taken
>>Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you thousands.
>
>
>
is only worth about 75% of what was paid for the vehicle
for years ive been buyin a $200 junker cavalier ... driving it for a
good couple years ( average about 100k in those 2 years) with only
changing the oil about 4 times in the process
total cost of ownership == 150 a year ... now how much is that lease
payment of yours
oh and i forgot to mention ... after the couple of years ... i get 100
back on the car from the scrap yard .. so thats hmmm about 100 bucks a year
i dont get to drive a nice looking vehicle .. but it costs less than the
tax on your new vehicle and still gets me from point A to point B
ody wrote:
> your right i guess =)
> but i like to have new car, something weve never had
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
> news:8MP7e.78316$cg1.42856@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>Jody wrote:
>>
>>>yes over time, but if im just leasing like we intend to do its not so
>>>bad..
>>>the jetta doesnt cost any more than a loaded sonata so....
>>>if hyundai would bring their damn cdi's to canada theyed kick vws butt
>>
>>Leasing is the most expensive way to "own" a car. It ranks right up there
>>with buying and trading in every 2-3 years. Essentially, you're paying for
>>the cost of the car's depreciation during the years when it depreciates
>>the most. The reason that car companies push leasing is because that's
>>where they make the most money. While leasing makes sense for businesses,
>>it rarely makes economic sense for an individual.
>>
>>Nothing personal, but it seems a bit odd to me to quibble over a few bucks
>>in fuel costs when you're throwing away thousands of dollars due to your
>>choice of ownership method.
>>
>>If you're truly interested in saving money, the best way is to buy a car
>>that's 2-3 years old and keep it until it's worn out. Second best is to
>>buy a new car and keep it until it's worn out. By "worn out", I mean that
>>the cost of repairs exceeds the value of the vehicle. With reasonable
>>maintenance, that can easily be ten years and 150,000 miles or more.
>>
>>I'm generalizing here and perhaps you're in a special situation that
>>creates a different need. There are some good books available that explain
>>this in greater detail and help you decide what ownership method makes the
>>most sense for your situation, and how to negotiate the best deal. The
>>"classic" text on the subject is Remar Sutton's book, "Don't get Taken
>>Every Time". The few bucks you spend on the book will save you thousands.
>
>
>
04-16-2005, 01:04 AM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is possible
in the city. Plenty of room, nice radio, comfortable ride. Plus he get a 2K
tax break from the feds this year for buying a hybrid.
It's a kewl car!
ElantraStan
http://www.stanarseneaux.com/elantra/
stan@hirise.com
"bo peep" <cowartmisc1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> <<If you actually sit down and do the math, figuring the increased cost
> of
> the car and fuel vs. the improved mileage, you'll probably find that it
>
> will take you in excess of 10 years to actually save any money.>>
>
> Be sure to do *all* the math - a diesel will be cheaper to service, and
> may not need service as often. My own vehicle gets very poor gas
> mileage, but nevertheless, the servicing costs almost as much per year
> as the gas does.
>
> John Cowart
>
in the city. Plenty of room, nice radio, comfortable ride. Plus he get a 2K
tax break from the feds this year for buying a hybrid.
It's a kewl car!
ElantraStan
http://www.stanarseneaux.com/elantra/
stan@hirise.com
"bo peep" <cowartmisc1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113590303.986521.124630@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> <<If you actually sit down and do the math, figuring the increased cost
> of
> the car and fuel vs. the improved mileage, you'll probably find that it
>
> will take you in excess of 10 years to actually save any money.>>
>
> Be sure to do *all* the math - a diesel will be cheaper to service, and
> may not need service as often. My own vehicle gets very poor gas
> mileage, but nevertheless, the servicing costs almost as much per year
> as the gas does.
>
> John Cowart
>
04-16-2005, 08:55 AM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
Jody wrote:
> your right i guess =)
> but i like to have new car, something weve never had
I actually bought my first new car since 1984 last year, but only
because the Elantra GT had a rebate that was ~equivalent to the first
year or so of depreciation. I figured it was nearly the same as buying a
used car, only without the "use". I plan on keeping it until it dies, as
I have with my other vehicles.
> your right i guess =)
> but i like to have new car, something weve never had
I actually bought my first new car since 1984 last year, but only
because the Elantra GT had a rebate that was ~equivalent to the first
year or so of depreciation. I figured it was nearly the same as buying a
used car, only without the "use". I plan on keeping it until it dies, as
I have with my other vehicles.
04-16-2005, 12:15 PM
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"The Commander" wrote:
>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is
>possible in the city.
toyota prius: $20k MSRP, 55mpg.
hyundai accent: $10k MSRP, 30mpg.
current price per gallon: ~$2
miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258
Is your friend actually planning on keeping the car for that many
miles?
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>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is
>possible in the city.
toyota prius: $20k MSRP, 55mpg.
hyundai accent: $10k MSRP, 30mpg.
current price per gallon: ~$2
miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258
Is your friend actually planning on keeping the car for that many
miles?
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04-17-2005, 07:30 AM
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Re: Where's the Hybrids!
Balfa wrote:
> "The Commander" wrote:
>
>>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is
>>possible in the city.
>
>
> toyota prius: $20k MSRP, 55mpg.
> hyundai accent: $10k MSRP, 30mpg.
> current price per gallon: ~$2
> miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258
The look on the owner's face when they realize this...priceless.
Sorry...couldn't resist. ;-)
> "The Commander" wrote:
>
>>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is
>>possible in the city.
>
>
> toyota prius: $20k MSRP, 55mpg.
> hyundai accent: $10k MSRP, 30mpg.
> current price per gallon: ~$2
> miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258
The look on the owner's face when they realize this...priceless.
Sorry...couldn't resist. ;-)
04-18-2005, 12:08 AM
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No, but he wanted the technology that is in the car.
It really is a unique car, mainly for city driving is where
it gets the best mileage. And who knows where gas
can go in 5 years....
I had the same dicussion with him, about he could get
an Elantra, for 1/2 the price, put the $12,500 in a mutual
fund and when the Elantra wears out after that fantastic
waranty, he would have enough money to buy another Elantra
with some extra cash to boot!
He does keep cars well past 100K miles though.
So if he is happy... that is all that matters.
ElantraStan
http://www.stanarseneaux.com/elantra/
stan@hirise.com
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> "The Commander" wrote:
>>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is
>>possible in the city.
>
> toyota prius: $20k MSRP, 55mpg.
> hyundai accent: $10k MSRP, 30mpg.
> current price per gallon: ~$2
> miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258
>
> Is your friend actually planning on keeping the car for that many
> miles?
>
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It really is a unique car, mainly for city driving is where
it gets the best mileage. And who knows where gas
can go in 5 years....
I had the same dicussion with him, about he could get
an Elantra, for 1/2 the price, put the $12,500 in a mutual
fund and when the Elantra wears out after that fantastic
waranty, he would have enough money to buy another Elantra
with some extra cash to boot!
He does keep cars well past 100K miles though.
So if he is happy... that is all that matters.
ElantraStan
http://www.stanarseneaux.com/elantra/
stan@hirise.com
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> "The Commander" wrote:
>>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is
>>possible in the city.
>
> toyota prius: $20k MSRP, 55mpg.
> hyundai accent: $10k MSRP, 30mpg.
> current price per gallon: ~$2
> miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258
>
> Is your friend actually planning on keeping the car for that many
> miles?
>
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04-18-2005, 12:29 PM
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id like a car with great highway milage, we have to drive two hours just
togo grocery shopping, store in our towns to $$ to do a big shopping load..
Our Accents pretty good but it could be better also on gas...
Thats why id like to have a diesel...
damn hyundai bring them to canada already!!!!!!!!!!!
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> No, but he wanted the technology that is in the car.
> It really is a unique car, mainly for city driving is where
> it gets the best mileage. And who knows where gas
> can go in 5 years....
>
> I had the same dicussion with him, about he could get
> an Elantra, for 1/2 the price, put the $12,500 in a mutual
> fund and when the Elantra wears out after that fantastic
> waranty, he would have enough money to buy another Elantra
> with some extra cash to boot!
>
> He does keep cars well past 100K miles though.
>
> So if he is happy... that is all that matters.
>
>
> ElantraStan
> http://www.stanarseneaux.com/elantra/
>
>
>
>
> stan@hirise.com
>
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>> "The Commander" wrote:
>>>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is
>>>possible in the city.
>>
>> toyota prius: $20k MSRP, 55mpg.
>> hyundai accent: $10k MSRP, 30mpg.
>> current price per gallon: ~$2
>> miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258
>>
>> Is your friend actually planning on keeping the car for that many
>> miles?
>>
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>
togo grocery shopping, store in our towns to $$ to do a big shopping load..
Our Accents pretty good but it could be better also on gas...
Thats why id like to have a diesel...
damn hyundai bring them to canada already!!!!!!!!!!!
"The Commander" <the_commander@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> No, but he wanted the technology that is in the car.
> It really is a unique car, mainly for city driving is where
> it gets the best mileage. And who knows where gas
> can go in 5 years....
>
> I had the same dicussion with him, about he could get
> an Elantra, for 1/2 the price, put the $12,500 in a mutual
> fund and when the Elantra wears out after that fantastic
> waranty, he would have enough money to buy another Elantra
> with some extra cash to boot!
>
> He does keep cars well past 100K miles though.
>
> So if he is happy... that is all that matters.
>
>
> ElantraStan
> http://www.stanarseneaux.com/elantra/
>
>
>
>
> stan@hirise.com
>
> "Balfa" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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>> "The Commander" wrote:
>>>MY friend just got a 2005 Priuis and it is a kewl car... 50 MPG is
>>>possible in the city.
>>
>> toyota prius: $20k MSRP, 55mpg.
>> hyundai accent: $10k MSRP, 30mpg.
>> current price per gallon: ~$2
>> miles before prius pays for its hefty premium: 328,258
>>
>> Is your friend actually planning on keeping the car for that many
>> miles?
>>
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04-18-2005, 12:59 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Where's the Hybrids!
"The Commander" wrote:
>put the ,500 in a mutual
>fund and when the Elantra wears out after that fantastic
>waranty, he would have enough money to buy another Elantra
>with some extra cash to boot!
That’s a very cool way of looking at it
>put the ,500 in a mutual
>fund and when the Elantra wears out after that fantastic
>waranty, he would have enough money to buy another Elantra
>with some extra cash to boot!
That’s a very cool way of looking at it
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