But isn't torque more important then HP?? Isn't HP overrated?? Noobie question and answer :la:

yes. The s2k and RSX may have alot of HP but bringing it to 8k just to see that power is ghey

I'm one of those mullet ers I guess you could say, I like big cars and big engines thats just me, but by no means am I saying my car can beat any 4 banger because I have twice as many cylinders or three times the displacement, I just prefer the rumble of a V8...I've had my ass handed to me on a few occasions by 4 and 6 cylinders, now keep in mind these werent stock, but non-the-less I got owned. IMO for the fastest and cheapest straight line performance you can't beat a small block. Also, I realize that theres more to performance then just a straight line. I respect anyone with a fast car domestic or import doesnt matter, what pisses me off it people that think a DX civic with a ridiculously loud muffler is the fastest car around.

A fast car is a fast car, no matter what size the powerplant is or where its from

Mike

I've said it before and I'll say it again. NOTHING SOUNDS COOLER THAN A WELL TUNED BIG BLOCK V8 WITH 3" EXHAUST AND GLASS PACKS! However I don't want the gas bill. :laugh:

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Soon we will all be racing smart cars

:laugh: Solar paneled boost with train electric motors :laugh:

I put a B16 in my civic. The money I spent I could have been WAY faster with an F-Body or a 5.0litre. But Im under 25 and my insurance is only $170 a month on my civic. So my car isn't as fast as alot of V8's, But I can spank most new car's under $40,000, I pay squat for insurance(for my age),the car is daily driveable and reliable and it isn't that bad on gas.So I run low 14's as opposed to mid 13's. Big deal, the car is just much easier to live with on a daily basis.

93 rx7 twin turbo...... 1.3 liters = 255 hp Factory spec.

hp to liter rotary is the way to go.

99 gts make 225 horsepower?? where did u get your info? they make 260, and the new 05's make 300 out of the same displacement..ya, i say thats improvement.

and stop comparing "SILVIA"s since we are talking about North American market, not Japan or Europe, the 240sx came with a 150 hp out of a 2.5L engine....sorry, not that fancy.

u're taking a 302 that was designed back in the 60's and comparing it to a 2L TURBOCHARGED, wait let me say again, TURBOCHARGED, engine.

since when is slapping a turbo on an engine "engineering"? its "fake" displacement.

another thing

225 hp from a 5L sounds disgusting and it is, BUT they were underrated, most 5Ls put down 220 to the wheels, and the 5L is underdesigned due to costs...a 500 whp N/A 302 is quite feasible and can be done for cheap. Ford wanted torque and decent hp for the car, if someone wanted more, they knew they will turn to the aftermarket.

i have TONS of respect for the B series and the K series from Honda....those things are a work of beauty...now imagine same technology with bigger displacement.

"the reason they use 3L v10's is because the formula mandates no more than 3L displacement, so ofcourse u're gonna dump as much technology as u can to get as much HP out of that displacemtnas possible

same thing with Rally, 2L but u are allowed to have a turbocharger, so ofcourse u're gonna work with that...trust me, if WRC allowed bigger displacment they would be using bigger displacement.

and NASCAR V8's spin to 9 grand and STAY THERE the entire race....thats pretty impressive IMO.

so your gonna say that this 8 second civic is a pos? http://.nstemp.com/video...30/JRPs892.wmv

if so your a ing fag :supergay: shut up you homo

its not a 2.5L motor its a 2.4 hence the name 240. bigger displacment dont mean ya you can possibly put out more power but you weigh a alot compared to a civic a civic with the same power as you should beat you POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO. if i were a big V8 lover i would honestly think thats amazing which it is that people can get 400+ whp out of 4 cylinders like my buddys car has 390whp he just rac a 11.83@121 at cssc last weekend thats amazing

I agree with rabbitman. But I am impressed by how fast tuners can there 4 banger cars going. An 11 second Civic is using the same basic knowlege that has been around for years. Gobs of HP + light wieght car = go fast.

Come on people basic math here.!!!!!

You guys are missing the point..

Look at it this way..

There is only so much you can do with a 4 cylinder..

Let's say you build a 4 cylinder out of unobtanium with some new fangled technology called a ubercharger... and get 10000 hp from it..

If you then take a 8/10/12 cylinder, make the engine twice as large, build it out of unobtanium and put a ubercharger on it.. you will get 100000 from it.. plain and simple..

The weight of the engine might be double, but the power potential is exponential. Put it on a lightweight chassis and call it a day.. Look at it this way. I read an article on the web about a stupidly fast integra type-r funny car running a 4 cylinder custom motor.. but the damn thing is a 4.8 liter 4 cylinder w/ 4000hp.. Why? cause small displacement motors suck!

Let me put it this way.. domestic cars are cheaper, and I don't argue the fact that alot of them are not built as well as Japanese cars and not engineered as well.. but for the price, they definitely make up for it. If Honda threw all the technology they had and built a large displacement motor, they would get a 500hp i-Vtec 4 litre NA 4 cylinder, and I would STFU...

Plain and simple, but until then.. small displacement 4 cylinders are a piece of wood!!!!!!!!!!!!

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hey guys i love my teg, but if you guys havent forgotten, its the older V8 crowds that started all this racing for us..4 bangers are scrap..mainly becuae some people give them a bad rap..like ricers..if you know what you are doing, 4 cyls are very reliable..but if it were up to me..V8 all the way..
maybe an 89 cobra with full roller top end and over-engineered crank..
also, the perforamcne industry is so taking advantage of everyone driving a 4 cyl..kids are spending 20G's doing up a 4 cyl..do you know what 20 G's with do for a V8?????lets say sub 12 second car?!?! on a v8 all you have to do is full exhaust intake mani, a nice cam, and some headers..you;re running mid 14's. all for about 1000 bucks...1000 bucks for a 4 cyl gets you some stupid looking bodykit that makes your car drive like a brick, it kills the aerodynamics of the car!!

nobody here should forget who started it all for us.. the V8's crowd.
my 4 banger has 269k on it..i still give beating to SIR's!! i love my 90 Teg. lol