ernie's 5oh

If you want power you must pay? nothing is free. I want big power so I'll be more then happy to pay.

Plus how can you put a price on fun?

ae86kid86

All true but my ae can do the sam exact thing with out mods and get 30mpg

iroc'd 86

WOW you have soo much to learn, i wasnt sure what to say here but i decided to educate you a little on what you are calling the Muscle car era, i have copy and pasted some FACTS on that era and the engines for you....

A: Chevrolet's small-block V8 is a famous automobile engine. Nicknamed "mouse motor" for its compact dimensions compared to other V8 engines of the time, production began in 1955 with the 265 in³ (4.3 L) engine used to bring performance credentials to the Corvette. The displacement changed over the years, eventually reaching 400 in³ (6.6 L), but none caught on like the 350 in³ (5.7 L) small-block. This engine is still in production today at General Motors Toluca Mexico plant (primarily for the GM over-the-counter Goodwrench powerplants), but is no longer offered in current model year vehicles since the year 2004. Its production numbers were impressive, with more than 90,000,000 built.

From 1955-74, the small-block engine was known as the "Turbo-Fire V8".

Although Buick, Cadillac, Oldsmobile, and Pontiac also designed V8 engines, it was Chevrolet's 350 in³ small-block that became the GM corporate standard. Over the years, every American General Motors division used the Chevrolet small-block, and its descendants (see GM LT engine and GM LS engine) continue as the company's mainstream V8 design today.

The small-block was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines of the 20th Century list.

A lawsuit by disgruntled Oldsmobile purchasers in the mid-1970's, who were upset that their new Oldmobiles were equipped with "inferior" Chevrolet engines prompted GM to declare all engine designs to be "corporate" property. This meant that engines traditionally associated with a particular brand could be installed in other brand cars without buyer recourse. Please keep in mind that even though the Small Block Chevy became a corporate engine--like all the other GM engines--it had recognizable design features, and those features allow us to trace the lineage back to the original Chevrolet design. This is important in regard to the current GM "small block" engine, the LS (sometimes called the LSx) series. The LS engines share no parts with the "Chevrolet-designed" small block. The LS engine was not designed by Chevrolet engineers, rather it was done by GM Powertrain Division engineers and is a totally new design. Although the LS series shares the bore center dimension and most--but not all--of the traditional Chevrolet bellhousing bolt pattern, it should not be considered a "development" or "extension" of the Chevrolet Small Block engine. GM themselves are very careful to NOT use the name "Chevrolet" in the description of the LS series engines, prefering to call them "Small block" or "new generation small block" engines without the word "Chevrolet" in front--although they clearly want to promote the misperception that it is an outgrowth--a new generation--of the Chevrolet design

I want to thank you though for showing us how dumb you guys really are

QuickGT

Well ernie, if you actually read what I wrote, you'd see that I was making a joke about the cost of "GAS" not horse power.
I'll try and dummy it down for you next time.

Of course more horse power costs more money, but since you brought up the point, "you want big power".
The foundation to BIG POWER has always been big cubic inches, ( no replacement for displacement ) well at least in the days of old,
many things have changed over the years, and now it's no longer "the" rule.

Today, Big cubic inch motors are starting to take a back seat to smaller cubes and more technology.

Smaller motors with huge turbos and advanced electronics are producing just as much, if not more reliable HP then the BB's of old.
So, those tiny annoying always breaking on the line ruining your day Imports, As you call them.
will one day be out classing you, with half the cubes you have, and still get good gas mileage.

But you're half right, you can't really put a price on fun.... But If I can have fun and save a buck... who's going to be further ahead at the end of the day?

Fabius

ws6 ls1 + 200shot
vr6 + engine build + turbo kit + slicks
civic + engine swap + spray turbo whatever + slicks
supra BPU+++ +whatever else
sti + Stage 2-3

(just an ***-umption that most of those cars will do the same 1/4mile time)

I wonder which car will be the quickest with the lowest amount of $$ thrown on aftermarket goodies? Your right american cars are slow and worthless. Lets all buy a jdm/dtm car only to throw money in it only to pretend its better then an american car at 1/4.

ernie's 5oh

good point, not only will you run all day without breaking with the ls1, you be going at least 1-2 seconds faster down the 1/4.
think of the money you save on parts?

QuickGT

lol I guess ignorance truly is Bliss.

heh ernie, I'm not sure where you're from, but here on EARTH, even domestics can break... yeah you got it.. even an LS1. I know I know.... so sad.

R/T kota

Ya domestics break but a 200 shot on an LS1 is not enough to kill it as long as its installed properly.

iroc'd 86

Now i found this interesting as I'm sure you wont but i think this speaks VOLUME not just your meaningless rant, this is a survey that shows what are really the best cars out there.
U.S. Domestic Cars More Reliable Than Foreign
Consumer Reports magazine said that American made cars and trucks chalked up fewer problems on average than their European rivals, although they still trailed Asian automakers by a wide margin. According to Consumer Reports, 2003 model year vehicles from the Big Three -- General Motors, Ford, DaimlerChrysler -- had 18 problems per 100 vehicles, compared to 20 for the average European model.


Site my source
http://4wheeldrive.about.com/b/2004/04/27/us-domestic-cars-more-reliable-than-foreign.htm

EAT THAT:headb ang:

QuickGT

Yes, it does speak VOLUMES, and if you read it CORRECTLY, it clearly states that US cars were better then some EUROPEAN models, while still trailing (that means BEHIND) Asian automakers, aka Honda, Hyundai, Mazda, Toyota, etc etc.. you know the ones you domestic lovers are always slagging on...

Allow me to dummy that down for you,
According to the report YOU supplied, ASIAN cars are better then US cars.....

Thank you for bringing that to our attention!
As if we didn't know already.

So, in your own words if I may....

EAT THAT lol

Maybe next time you "try" and make a point, READ FIRST..

iroc'd 86

WOW DUMB DUMB i gave you a little something in HOPES that you would click the link and read the entire article i guess that's my fault for thinking that you import dummies would actually catch on to something like that but here it goes i will spell it out for you simpletons C.L.I.C.K T.H.E L.I.N.K AND READ THE ENTIRE ARTICAL then come back to the forum and read what were talking about and put it all together.
SO AS I SAID EAT THAT:headb ang:

QuickGT

I was simply quoting the info at hand, I don't need to read an article from some website to tell me Imports are built better then domestics, hell we all know that already.

dude, stop wasting everyones time with useless info, you can't honestly believe domestics are better built then their counterparts.

If it wasn't for the advancements in foreign technology domestics would still be in the dark ages.

god... get a grip.

iroc'd 86

And you have a Pontiac? Dumba** i want to thank you for educating me on the imports i have learned something very important, if I'm ever looking for a grocery getter i will be sure to buy one.

QuickGT

:banghead:

ah, you already drive one.

and yeah Einstein, I own a Pontiac, along with a few others... yep you guessed it .. I also own a couple of IMPORTS.

And before you say anything else, I'd like to say, YOU WIN! I see little point in conversing further with you. as it's quite obvious you're intellectually challenged mind is a direct result of a shallow gene pool.
My condolences.

iroc'd 86

2 Domestic 2 Imports Both Domestic are weekend toys and both Imports are beaters, seems to me you agree with us when you want a real toy you stick with Domestic. you could have said from the beginning that you agree domestics are better rather than have this drawn out conversation.