Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

In article <7690289c.0312110254.51ea7bb2@posting.google.com >,
planet_first@yahoo.com (Raj) wrote:

> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
news:<m3bftvg48t70851eksoc5771ulerq64ifb@4ax.com>. ..
> > I agree with your advice. There are a few other things you can look
> > at.
> >
> > Does anything electrical work in the car? If not sounds like the
> > battery is dead and you didn't get a good connection when jumping it.
> > I don't know if there is a main fuse or fuseable link the Accord. If
> > there is and it's burnt that could be the problem (nothing would work
> > then).
> >
> > You can also try the old relay again to see if it behaves as it did
> > before the swap. The new one doesn't have to be removed and the old
> > one mounted as long as there is enough wire to remove the connector
> > and get it on the old relay. I believe the relay is for the fuel pump
> > and ECU only and has nothing to do with the starting circuit.
>
> == snip ==
>
> > >It's possible that something else went wrong but I doubt it. I wonder if
> > >the new relay was defective or if you failed to install or connect it
> > >properly. You might want to check all electrical connections related to
> > >the relay. If all else fails, have it towed to your favorite mechanic and
> > >have him figure out what is wrong with it.
>
> We are on the same page here. So I reinstalled the new relay last
> night and I got the engine light, fuel pump whirr, and enginer did
> crank, but wouldn't start. Now the battery on the Accord is completely
> dead and it is possible that Odyssey's battery just couldn't do it.
> Does that sound like a possibility?
>
> TIA.
>
> Raj

I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

In article <7690289c.0312110254.51ea7bb2@posting.google.com >,
planet_first@yahoo.com (Raj) wrote:

> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
news:<m3bftvg48t70851eksoc5771ulerq64ifb@4ax.com>. ..
> > I agree with your advice. There are a few other things you can look
> > at.
> >
> > Does anything electrical work in the car? If not sounds like the
> > battery is dead and you didn't get a good connection when jumping it.
> > I don't know if there is a main fuse or fuseable link the Accord. If
> > there is and it's burnt that could be the problem (nothing would work
> > then).
> >
> > You can also try the old relay again to see if it behaves as it did
> > before the swap. The new one doesn't have to be removed and the old
> > one mounted as long as there is enough wire to remove the connector
> > and get it on the old relay. I believe the relay is for the fuel pump
> > and ECU only and has nothing to do with the starting circuit.
>
> == snip ==
>
> > >It's possible that something else went wrong but I doubt it. I wonder if
> > >the new relay was defective or if you failed to install or connect it
> > >properly. You might want to check all electrical connections related to
> > >the relay. If all else fails, have it towed to your favorite mechanic and
> > >have him figure out what is wrong with it.
>
> We are on the same page here. So I reinstalled the new relay last
> night and I got the engine light, fuel pump whirr, and enginer did
> crank, but wouldn't start. Now the battery on the Accord is completely
> dead and it is possible that Odyssey's battery just couldn't do it.
> Does that sound like a possibility?
>
> TIA.
>
> Raj

I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

Sounds good again!

If you had poor connection with the jumper cables its possible to get
very little current flowing to the car with the dead battery. No
current flow would have no results with a completely dead battery.
That is no lights, radio... Any current at all should have been able
to get some lights working and possibly get the starter to make some
noise.

Waiting a few minutes (or 5 minutes) with the good battery vehicle
running and jumping the dead battery is in effect allowing the weak
battery to help start the car that it is in. If left long enough the
running vehicle could fully charge the dead battery.




On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:36:59 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:

>In article <7690289c.0312110254.51ea7bb2@posting.google.com >,
>planet_first@yahoo.com (Raj) wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
>news:<m3bftvg48t70851eksoc5771ulerq64ifb@4ax.com> ...
>> > I agree with your advice. There are a few other things you can look
>> > at.
>> >
>> > Does anything electrical work in the car? If not sounds like the
>> > battery is dead and you didn't get a good connection when jumping it.
>> > I don't know if there is a main fuse or fuseable link the Accord. If
>> > there is and it's burnt that could be the problem (nothing would work
>> > then).
>> >
>> > You can also try the old relay again to see if it behaves as it did
>> > before the swap. The new one doesn't have to be removed and the old
>> > one mounted as long as there is enough wire to remove the connector
>> > and get it on the old relay. I believe the relay is for the fuel pump
>> > and ECU only and has nothing to do with the starting circuit.
>>
>> == snip ==
>>
>> > >It's possible that something else went wrong but I doubt it. I wonder if
>> > >the new relay was defective or if you failed to install or connect it
>> > >properly. You might want to check all electrical connections related to
>> > >the relay. If all else fails, have it towed to your favorite mechanic and
>> > >have him figure out what is wrong with it.
>>
>> We are on the same page here. So I reinstalled the new relay last
>> night and I got the engine light, fuel pump whirr, and enginer did
>> crank, but wouldn't start. Now the battery on the Accord is completely
>> dead and it is possible that Odyssey's battery just couldn't do it.
>> Does that sound like a possibility?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
>battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
>Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
>Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
>battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

Sounds good again!

If you had poor connection with the jumper cables its possible to get
very little current flowing to the car with the dead battery. No
current flow would have no results with a completely dead battery.
That is no lights, radio... Any current at all should have been able
to get some lights working and possibly get the starter to make some
noise.

Waiting a few minutes (or 5 minutes) with the good battery vehicle
running and jumping the dead battery is in effect allowing the weak
battery to help start the car that it is in. If left long enough the
running vehicle could fully charge the dead battery.




On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:36:59 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:

>In article <7690289c.0312110254.51ea7bb2@posting.google.com >,
>planet_first@yahoo.com (Raj) wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
>news:<m3bftvg48t70851eksoc5771ulerq64ifb@4ax.com> ...
>> > I agree with your advice. There are a few other things you can look
>> > at.
>> >
>> > Does anything electrical work in the car? If not sounds like the
>> > battery is dead and you didn't get a good connection when jumping it.
>> > I don't know if there is a main fuse or fuseable link the Accord. If
>> > there is and it's burnt that could be the problem (nothing would work
>> > then).
>> >
>> > You can also try the old relay again to see if it behaves as it did
>> > before the swap. The new one doesn't have to be removed and the old
>> > one mounted as long as there is enough wire to remove the connector
>> > and get it on the old relay. I believe the relay is for the fuel pump
>> > and ECU only and has nothing to do with the starting circuit.
>>
>> == snip ==
>>
>> > >It's possible that something else went wrong but I doubt it. I wonder if
>> > >the new relay was defective or if you failed to install or connect it
>> > >properly. You might want to check all electrical connections related to
>> > >the relay. If all else fails, have it towed to your favorite mechanic and
>> > >have him figure out what is wrong with it.
>>
>> We are on the same page here. So I reinstalled the new relay last
>> night and I got the engine light, fuel pump whirr, and enginer did
>> crank, but wouldn't start. Now the battery on the Accord is completely
>> dead and it is possible that Odyssey's battery just couldn't do it.
>> Does that sound like a possibility?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
>battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
>Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
>Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
>battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

Sounds good again!

If you had poor connection with the jumper cables its possible to get
very little current flowing to the car with the dead battery. No
current flow would have no results with a completely dead battery.
That is no lights, radio... Any current at all should have been able
to get some lights working and possibly get the starter to make some
noise.

Waiting a few minutes (or 5 minutes) with the good battery vehicle
running and jumping the dead battery is in effect allowing the weak
battery to help start the car that it is in. If left long enough the
running vehicle could fully charge the dead battery.




On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:36:59 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:

>In article <7690289c.0312110254.51ea7bb2@posting.google.com >,
>planet_first@yahoo.com (Raj) wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
>news:<m3bftvg48t70851eksoc5771ulerq64ifb@4ax.com> ...
>> > I agree with your advice. There are a few other things you can look
>> > at.
>> >
>> > Does anything electrical work in the car? If not sounds like the
>> > battery is dead and you didn't get a good connection when jumping it.
>> > I don't know if there is a main fuse or fuseable link the Accord. If
>> > there is and it's burnt that could be the problem (nothing would work
>> > then).
>> >
>> > You can also try the old relay again to see if it behaves as it did
>> > before the swap. The new one doesn't have to be removed and the old
>> > one mounted as long as there is enough wire to remove the connector
>> > and get it on the old relay. I believe the relay is for the fuel pump
>> > and ECU only and has nothing to do with the starting circuit.
>>
>> == snip ==
>>
>> > >It's possible that something else went wrong but I doubt it. I wonder if
>> > >the new relay was defective or if you failed to install or connect it
>> > >properly. You might want to check all electrical connections related to
>> > >the relay. If all else fails, have it towed to your favorite mechanic and
>> > >have him figure out what is wrong with it.
>>
>> We are on the same page here. So I reinstalled the new relay last
>> night and I got the engine light, fuel pump whirr, and enginer did
>> crank, but wouldn't start. Now the battery on the Accord is completely
>> dead and it is possible that Odyssey's battery just couldn't do it.
>> Does that sound like a possibility?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
>battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
>Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
>Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
>battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

Sounds good again!

If you had poor connection with the jumper cables its possible to get
very little current flowing to the car with the dead battery. No
current flow would have no results with a completely dead battery.
That is no lights, radio... Any current at all should have been able
to get some lights working and possibly get the starter to make some
noise.

Waiting a few minutes (or 5 minutes) with the good battery vehicle
running and jumping the dead battery is in effect allowing the weak
battery to help start the car that it is in. If left long enough the
running vehicle could fully charge the dead battery.




On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:36:59 -0800, billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com
(Bill B. Johnson) wrote:

>In article <7690289c.0312110254.51ea7bb2@posting.google.com >,
>planet_first@yahoo.com (Raj) wrote:
>
>> NomoreRGS <fishman@fish.net> wrote in message
>news:<m3bftvg48t70851eksoc5771ulerq64ifb@4ax.com> ...
>> > I agree with your advice. There are a few other things you can look
>> > at.
>> >
>> > Does anything electrical work in the car? If not sounds like the
>> > battery is dead and you didn't get a good connection when jumping it.
>> > I don't know if there is a main fuse or fuseable link the Accord. If
>> > there is and it's burnt that could be the problem (nothing would work
>> > then).
>> >
>> > You can also try the old relay again to see if it behaves as it did
>> > before the swap. The new one doesn't have to be removed and the old
>> > one mounted as long as there is enough wire to remove the connector
>> > and get it on the old relay. I believe the relay is for the fuel pump
>> > and ECU only and has nothing to do with the starting circuit.
>>
>> == snip ==
>>
>> > >It's possible that something else went wrong but I doubt it. I wonder if
>> > >the new relay was defective or if you failed to install or connect it
>> > >properly. You might want to check all electrical connections related to
>> > >the relay. If all else fails, have it towed to your favorite mechanic and
>> > >have him figure out what is wrong with it.
>>
>> We are on the same page here. So I reinstalled the new relay last
>> night and I got the engine light, fuel pump whirr, and enginer did
>> crank, but wouldn't start. Now the battery on the Accord is completely
>> dead and it is possible that Odyssey's battery just couldn't do it.
>> Does that sound like a possibility?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Raj
>
>I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
>battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
>Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
>Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
>battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

You might want to check the ground cable from the battery to the block and
block-to-chassis ground cables.Those have been known to corrode.

--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

You might want to check the ground cable from the battery to the block and
block-to-chassis ground cables.Those have been known to corrode.

--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

You might want to check the ground cable from the battery to the block and
block-to-chassis ground cables.Those have been known to corrode.

--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

You might want to check the ground cable from the battery to the block and
block-to-chassis ground cables.Those have been known to corrode.

--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

== snip ==
>
> I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
> battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
> Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
> Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
> battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not fully
charged but better that fully dead.
I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
*laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.

Thanks again.

Raj

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

== snip ==
>
> I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
> battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
> Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
> Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
> battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not fully
charged but better that fully dead.
I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
*laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.

Thanks again.

Raj

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

== snip ==
>
> I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
> battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
> Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
> Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
> battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not fully
charged but better that fully dead.
I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
*laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.

Thanks again.

Raj

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

== snip ==
>
> I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
> battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
> Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
> Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
> battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.

That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not fully
charged but better that fully dead.
I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
*laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.

Thanks again.

Raj

Re: 91 Accord doesn't start
 

Raj wrote:

> == snip ==
> >
> > I learned a little trick about jump starting several years ago. When the
> > battery is totally dead or almost totally dead, use this trick or tip.
> > Connect the jumper cables and start the vehicle that has the good battery.
> > Wait about 5 minutes before you try to start the vehicle with the dead
> > battery.If it does not start--wait 5 more minutes before you try again.
>
> That's funny, someone told me the exact same thing at work. I tried
> that trick tonight and I just happened to wait about 15 minutes in
> between 3 tries. Darn thing still wouldn't start! But the 45 minutes
> of charging brought Accord's battery back from dead :-) It's not fully
> charged but better that fully dead.
> I did notice tonight that it was having trouble when I cranked it. It
> didn't seem like the *normal* cranking sound, it seemed more
> *laborious* for a lack of better term. So what should my next step be
> guys? Sure appreciate all the great help I have been receiving.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Raj

sounds like a timing belt has slipped/broke.
search the messages and you will find many articles on how to visually
check for this problem.