I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.

I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
$2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
Arrive" because I was unsure.

My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
the Orange one was very difficult.

At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
fill the order.

Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
evidence that the car was ever ordered.

Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

dgk wrote:
>
> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>
> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
> Arrive" because I was unsure.
>
> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
> the Orange one was very difficult.
>
> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
> fill the order.
>
> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
> evidence that the car was ever ordered.
>
> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.



Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians
are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics...

JT

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

dgk wrote:
>
> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>
> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
> Arrive" because I was unsure.
>
> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
> the Orange one was very difficult.
>
> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
> fill the order.
>
> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
> evidence that the car was ever ordered.
>
> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.



Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians
are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics...

JT

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

dgk wrote:
>
> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>
> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
> Arrive" because I was unsure.
>
> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
> the Orange one was very difficult.
>
> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
> fill the order.
>
> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
> evidence that the car was ever ordered.
>
> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.



Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians
are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics...

JT

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:31:26 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:

>
>
>dgk wrote:
>>
>> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
>> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
>> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
>> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>>
>> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
>> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
>> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
>> Arrive" because I was unsure.
>>
>> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
>> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
>> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
>> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
>> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
>> the Orange one was very difficult.
>>
>> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
>> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
>> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
>> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
>> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
>> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
>> fill the order.
>>
>> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
>> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
>> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
>> evidence that the car was ever ordered.
>>
>> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
>> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
>> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.
>
>
>
>Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians
>are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics...
>
>JT

Too general. In most things there are good and bad. My doctor is a
dedicated guy who is simply one of the best people I know. I work for
a public defender office and the lawyers here are also very good
people, working for less than they could get elsewhere.

My aunt was a real estate person and did her best to sell houses
fairly, without regard to racial steering or other crap. There are
also decent politicians who really care about the public good, but
they get corrupted by money pretty quickly.

There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't found one
yet.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:31:26 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:

>
>
>dgk wrote:
>>
>> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
>> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
>> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
>> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>>
>> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
>> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
>> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
>> Arrive" because I was unsure.
>>
>> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
>> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
>> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
>> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
>> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
>> the Orange one was very difficult.
>>
>> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
>> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
>> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
>> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
>> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
>> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
>> fill the order.
>>
>> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
>> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
>> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
>> evidence that the car was ever ordered.
>>
>> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
>> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
>> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.
>
>
>
>Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians
>are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics...
>
>JT

Too general. In most things there are good and bad. My doctor is a
dedicated guy who is simply one of the best people I know. I work for
a public defender office and the lawyers here are also very good
people, working for less than they could get elsewhere.

My aunt was a real estate person and did her best to sell houses
fairly, without regard to racial steering or other crap. There are
also decent politicians who really care about the public good, but
they get corrupted by money pretty quickly.

There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't found one
yet.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 13:31:26 GMT, Grumpy AuContraire
<Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote:

>
>
>dgk wrote:
>>
>> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
>> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
>> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
>> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>>
>> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
>> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
>> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
>> Arrive" because I was unsure.
>>
>> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
>> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
>> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
>> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
>> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
>> the Orange one was very difficult.
>>
>> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
>> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
>> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
>> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
>> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
>> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
>> fill the order.
>>
>> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
>> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
>> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
>> evidence that the car was ever ordered.
>>
>> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
>> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
>> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.
>
>
>
>Car dealers like real estate agents, doctors, lawyers and politicians
>are all bottom feeders having little in the way of ethics...
>
>JT

Too general. In most things there are good and bad. My doctor is a
dedicated guy who is simply one of the best people I know. I work for
a public defender office and the lawyers here are also very good
people, working for less than they could get elsewhere.

My aunt was a real estate person and did her best to sell houses
fairly, without regard to racial steering or other crap. There are
also decent politicians who really care about the public good, but
they get corrupted by money pretty quickly.

There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't found one
yet.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't
> found one
> yet.

I think the decent ones for one thing will be found among
those who deal online. We're getting some reports here of
positive, price-competitive experiences using this approach.
Not all, but more than if one shows up at the dealership
proper.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't
> found one
> yet.

I think the decent ones for one thing will be found among
those who deal online. We're getting some reports here of
positive, price-competitive experiences using this approach.
Not all, but more than if one shows up at the dealership
proper.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote
> There are probably also decent car dealers but I haven't
> found one
> yet.

I think the decent ones for one thing will be found among
those who deal online. We're getting some reports here of
positive, price-competitive experiences using this approach.
Not all, but more than if one shows up at the dealership
proper.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

We had a similar situation - and the dealer wanted to add $500
'theft-proof wheels' because the FIT wheels were such a high-risk item
(though few were/are on the road).

We let our fingers do the walking, and found a car in the desired color
and trim at MSRP (even got the IPOD connection thrown in) a reasonable
distance from home. We were treated okay, though the 'closer' wanted us
to buy the long warranty at an inflated price.

My point is that the telephone is your friend... it's far better than
online, because on the phone you can get a salesperson to actively help
you. Online you just get in queue.

Good luck!

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

We had a similar situation - and the dealer wanted to add $500
'theft-proof wheels' because the FIT wheels were such a high-risk item
(though few were/are on the road).

We let our fingers do the walking, and found a car in the desired color
and trim at MSRP (even got the IPOD connection thrown in) a reasonable
distance from home. We were treated okay, though the 'closer' wanted us
to buy the long warranty at an inflated price.

My point is that the telephone is your friend... it's far better than
online, because on the phone you can get a salesperson to actively help
you. Online you just get in queue.

Good luck!

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

We had a similar situation - and the dealer wanted to add $500
'theft-proof wheels' because the FIT wheels were such a high-risk item
(though few were/are on the road).

We let our fingers do the walking, and found a car in the desired color
and trim at MSRP (even got the IPOD connection thrown in) a reasonable
distance from home. We were treated okay, though the 'closer' wanted us
to buy the long warranty at an inflated price.

My point is that the telephone is your friend... it's far better than
online, because on the phone you can get a salesperson to actively help
you. Online you just get in queue.

Good luck!

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:27:06 -0400, dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:

>In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
>Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
>it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
....

More information. I just found out (from talking to the general
manager of the dealership) that usually cars are not ordered directly.
Mostly they "look" for them by seeing what is coming in to them and
other dealers and trading around. It seems an odd way to do things in
the computer age but this way cars are available for immediate
purchase. It sort of makes sense. But if you want a car that isn't
available that way, you would think they would just place an order
with the factory.

This would explain why Honda-US doesn't have any orders for my car
from the dealer. It also explains why I don't have a car.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:27:06 -0400, dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:

>In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
>Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
>it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
....

More information. I just found out (from talking to the general
manager of the dealership) that usually cars are not ordered directly.
Mostly they "look" for them by seeing what is coming in to them and
other dealers and trading around. It seems an odd way to do things in
the computer age but this way cars are available for immediate
purchase. It sort of makes sense. But if you want a car that isn't
available that way, you would think they would just place an order
with the factory.

This would explain why Honda-US doesn't have any orders for my car
from the dealer. It also explains why I don't have a car.