Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:27:06 -0400, dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:

>In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
>Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
>it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
....

More information. I just found out (from talking to the general
manager of the dealership) that usually cars are not ordered directly.
Mostly they "look" for them by seeing what is coming in to them and
other dealers and trading around. It seems an odd way to do things in
the computer age but this way cars are available for immediate
purchase. It sort of makes sense. But if you want a car that isn't
available that way, you would think they would just place an order
with the factory.

This would explain why Honda-US doesn't have any orders for my car
from the dealer. It also explains why I don't have a car.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:

> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>
> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> it at list,

dude, you are SO naive.

of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a
chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case,
he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car.

you are SO naive.

Go away.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:

> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>
> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> it at list,

dude, you are SO naive.

of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a
chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case,
he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car.

you are SO naive.

Go away.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:

> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>
> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> it at list,

dude, you are SO naive.

of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a
chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case,
he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car.

you are SO naive.

Go away.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
> In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
> >
> > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> > it at list,
>
> dude, you are SO naive.
>
> of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a
> chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case,
> he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car.
>
> you are SO naive.
>
> Go away.



<chuckle>

What the masses of sheeple don't realize, survival is the first instinct
of virtually all animals including humans. Hence, lying mixed with an
ample dose of cheating serve as everyday tools for the dominators.

Ol' PT Barnum was right except that I think that there's more than one
sucker born every minute these days...

<G>

JT

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
> In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
> >
> > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> > it at list,
>
> dude, you are SO naive.
>
> of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a
> chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case,
> he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car.
>
> you are SO naive.
>
> Go away.



<chuckle>

What the masses of sheeple don't realize, survival is the first instinct
of virtually all animals including humans. Hence, lying mixed with an
ample dose of cheating serve as everyday tools for the dominators.

Ol' PT Barnum was right except that I think that there's more than one
sucker born every minute these days...

<G>

JT

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
> In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
> > In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> > Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> > it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> > they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
> >
> > I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> > it at list,
>
> dude, you are SO naive.
>
> of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a
> chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case,
> he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car.
>
> you are SO naive.
>
> Go away.



<chuckle>

What the masses of sheeple don't realize, survival is the first instinct
of virtually all animals including humans. Hence, lying mixed with an
ample dose of cheating serve as everyday tools for the dominators.

Ol' PT Barnum was right except that I think that there's more than one
sucker born every minute these days...

<G>

JT

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com...
> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>
> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
> Arrive" because I was unsure.

I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at
almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At
19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd.
>
> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
> the Orange one was very difficult.
>
> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
> fill the order.
>
> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
> evidence that the car was ever ordered.
>
> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com...
> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>
> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
> Arrive" because I was unsure.

I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at
almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At
19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd.
>
> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
> the Orange one was very difficult.
>
> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
> fill the order.
>
> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
> evidence that the car was ever ordered.
>
> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com...
> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>
> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
> it at list, so with tax the whole thing came to just about $18,000,
> $2300 cheaper. I posted at the time a thread called "Will My Fit
> Arrive" because I was unsure.

I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at
almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At
19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd.
>
> My salesperson, Mazen, gave me a card with someone else's name but
> wrote his name and number, so I guess he was new. Three weeks later I
> went to check on the car, and he was no longer working there but I was
> assured that the car was on order and should be in in a few weeks. I
> even added the choice of Silver instead of Orange because they said
> the Orange one was very difficult.
>
> At some point I started another thread, "My Fit NOT Arriving" and
> accused the dealer of bait and switch, and Elmo, properly, castigated
> me for being inaccurate. He was correct, I think they just had no
> intention of selling me the car at that price and if I bought another
> one, that is ok with them. But I think what happened was that Mazen
> did something that he shouldn't have done and they weren't going to
> fill the order.
>
> Yesterday I called Honda USA. They told me that 9 weeks was a long
> time to wait and that Paragon Honda had only one order for a Sports
> Fit outstanding, and it was Black and much more recent. There is no
> evidence that the car was ever ordered.
>
> Now I don't know if HUSA is accurate but it would seem that they would
> know what is being ordered. At this point I'm cancelling the order and
> I'm curious as to what you folks think about this chain of events.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:


>I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at
>almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At
>19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd.
>>

Because I want two things out of this car. One is to be able to throw
a bike into the back without needing to get the bike rack. The second
is to have a long roof for a 9 1/2 foot surfboard. The Fit is better
than the Civic in both ways. I rarely need to carry five adults and
there really is nothing that the Civic has that the Fit doesn't that I
care about.

Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a
serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord
is currently undergoing timing belt (and waterpump) surgery so I'll
keep it for another year or two.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:


>I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at
>almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At
>19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd.
>>

Because I want two things out of this car. One is to be able to throw
a bike into the back without needing to get the bike rack. The second
is to have a long roof for a 9 1/2 foot surfboard. The Fit is better
than the Civic in both ways. I rarely need to carry five adults and
there really is nothing that the Civic has that the Fit doesn't that I
care about.

Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a
serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord
is currently undergoing timing belt (and waterpump) surgery so I'll
keep it for another year or two.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:48:17 -0400, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:


>I have seen Civic LXs sedan at 17,500 on the lot at my dealer. Why a Fit at
>almost the same price -- and you might be able to deal the Civic down. At
>19k you are getting close the price for an Accord LX I4 with a 5 spd.
>>

Because I want two things out of this car. One is to be able to throw
a bike into the back without needing to get the bike rack. The second
is to have a long roof for a 9 1/2 foot surfboard. The Fit is better
than the Civic in both ways. I rarely need to carry five adults and
there really is nothing that the Civic has that the Fit doesn't that I
care about.

Well, not quite right. I assume the Civic has a dead pedal. That's a
serious problem with the Fit. Well, history anyway now. My 91 Accord
is currently undergoing timing belt (and waterpump) surgery so I'll
keep it for another year or two.

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:24:22 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
>> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
>> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
>> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>>
>> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
>> it at list,
>
>dude, you are SO naive.
>
>of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a
>chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case,
>he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car.
>
>you are SO naive.
>
>Go away.

But didn't you say that calling it bait and switch was wrong? If he
knew he couldn't get it and wanted to offer me something else, that is
bait and switch, no?

I'm curious about the way the dealer "find" system works though. Do
the dealers pay over the "dealer cost" to get a popular car from
another dealer?

Re: I think my Honda dealer lied about my Fit
 

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 16:24:22 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <b36ih2pnu0simar3es8bv979f4u331gs9h@4ax.com>,
> dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>> In early July I decided I wanted an Orange Fit, and went to my current
>> Honda dealer who quoted $19,000 without tax (Sport Model). I asked why
>> it was so much over list and was told that there weren't many and that
>> they could deliver the car and other dealers couldn't.
>>
>> I went to another nearby dealer and was surprised that I could order
>> it at list,
>
>dude, you are SO naive.
>
>of COURSE he's going to tell you that. At least that way, he has a
>chance of your changing your mind to a different color. Worst case,
>he's no worse off--he doesn't sell you a car.
>
>you are SO naive.
>
>Go away.

But didn't you say that calling it bait and switch was wrong? If he
knew he couldn't get it and wanted to offer me something else, that is
bait and switch, no?

I'm curious about the way the dealer "find" system works though. Do
the dealers pay over the "dealer cost" to get a popular car from
another dealer?